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Margarito-Mosley off; Mosley-Berto possible for Jan. 24

Shane_mosley_2007_591626_medium CRAZEDANG touched on it in this FanPost, and the word is in: WBA welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito has officially passed on a January 24 defense against Shane Mosley, according to the Los Angeles Times.

This has a lot of domino potential, really, both in fights being made or not made, and in terms of perception. Let's start with perception before we move on to what might go down as a result of Margarito-Mosley falling through.

Antonio Margarito is the man at 147 right now, but this is the second time since beating Miguel Cotto that I think we can legitimately and rightly question exactly where his heart and guts might truly lie. For years, Bob Arum did a phenomenal job of casting Margarito as the most feared man in boxing. They offered Floyd Mayweather a cool $8 million, and Floyd turned it down, taking a fight with lineal welterweight champion Carlos Baldomir for a big payday instead. Floyd had his reasons; Margarito, though, could claim fear on the part of the "Pretty Boy."

But when he had a chance post-Cotto to fight Paul Williams and avenge that loss, Margarito turned down a $4 million offer, which was absolutely the best he was going to be getting. By turning down the Mosley fight after claiming Sugar Shane was scared of him, Margarito has infuriated Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who had this to say:

Margarito should shut up and not call out people anymore after this, when they accept and then he chickens out," Schaefer said. "Margarito says he's the most feared fighter in the world. Well, he's now lost that title.

And that's kind of where I'm at right now. It's that that Margarito-Mosley was some must-have fight, but Shane agreed to it, all the pieces were in place, HBO was ready to roll for January, and now Margarito has decided that a world-ranked contender with a great reputation and name value, coming off of a win, is not a good enough fight.

Top Rank exec Todd duBoef almost sounds like he's apologizing with this quote:

"Part of their thinking, I'm sure, is that the Cotto fight did good numbers [more than 450,000 pay-per-view buys] and that's the fight they want, more than a guy that Cotto beat," duBoef said. "Shane Mosley was a big name seven years ago, but they weighed the consequences and decided it was onward and upward."

If this were the case, the Margarito camp does realize that this is not the economy it was in July, don't they?

Box_antonio_margarito_580_medium Cotto-Margarito did great numbers at a little over 450K, which if I'm remembering correctly, currently puts it at No. 2 for the boxing year, behind Jones-Trinidad, which did about 500,000. Pacquiao-Marquez II did 400,000, and past that we've had disappointments with Calzaghe-Jones (225K), Pavlik-Hopkins (190-195K), Pavlik-Taylor II (250K for a compelling rematch of one of the best fights of 2007). Pacquiao-Diaz and Casamayor-Marquez were about on point for their expectations.

Even though it remains a genuinely interesting matchup, does a Margarito-Cotto rematch match the big numbers they did the first time around? I think it's a toss-up.

Anyway, that's not even really the point. The point is more that if Margarito is going to basically back out of fights he's agreed to, this aura that he's tried so hard to build is just as much of a put-on as anything else.

Meanwhile, with that fight off the docket, the schedule has opened up for revisiting talks on a WBC welterweight title fight between titleholder Andre Berto and Mosley, which I think is a hell of an interesting matchup, and one I'd love to see. As far as replacement fights go, they don't get much better than that.

It's not as important as Margarito-Mosley would have been, maybe, but in many ways it's a better fight for Mosley. After the two shared the bill with wins in September on HBO, Mosley commented that Berto reminded him of a younger version of himself, which is both high praise and something I think is very valid. Berto lives on hand speed and accumulated power, much as Mosley has done over his career. Both are also willing to ditch boxing to get into a brawl as soon as the situation hints at a need for that.

Berto presents Mosley with a challenge -- he's a young, fast, strong fighter with explosive offensive ability. Mosley presents Berto with a very big challenge -- he's still pretty fast, still pretty strong, and he's a smart veteran. Berto has never faced anyone near Mosley's level, frankly. They had talked Berto-Collazo, which seemed a logical step up, but fighting Mosley skips that Collazo level and goes right into the division's elite. And honestly, Berto's probably as ready as he's going to be to make that leap.

As far as Margarito goes, if he wants to go right into a Cotto rematch, that could be a go for February. All the recent scuttlebutt has had Cotto returning on February 14 or February 21, possibly against UK welter Michael Jennings, a name that nobody knows. Bob Arum had talked Margarito-Cotto II for next summer, but he might have to step on the gas and get to it now. Margarito didn't fight Williams, didn't fight Josh Clottey in November (which Arum tried to make happen), and now won't fight Mosley.

We'll see how it all shakes out, but expect to see Mosley fighting on January 24. Just not against Antonio Margarito, the most feared man in boxing, the robo-machine that can't be taken apart, the man who avoids nobody...

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I was looking forward to this fight and the tasty wager I was going to make on a Mosley win—the odds would have been fantastic, and I think it would have been a pick ’em fight.

I don’t like the Berto fight as much as you Scott. I don’t think he’s ready for Mosley, and I like Berto a lot. I would rather have seen him fight Collazo, who would have been an ideal step up—not too much, not too little.

Mosley deserved the shot. I scored his fight with Cotto a tie, and his skill set and wily veteran know-how would have given Margarito trouble. Mosley would not have made the strategic errors Cotto did. A points win for Mosley was a fairly likely outcome, and the odds would have been widely in favor of Margarito. Bummer.

by Matt Miller on Nov 19, 2008 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

SC

you’re absoultely right. tony is losing his luster, and the big win over coto isn’t gonna make him the best forever. now its time to move on and beat somebody else. coto was a huge win but if tony wants to be even bigger than that win made him he needs to take on the rest of the 147lb division. all the oponents he turned down are worthy of fighting him. for some reason he thinks the coto win makes him better than everybody in the division and that has yet to be seen. a coto win over him in the rematch is not far fetched. neither is a paul williams win, and even clotty with his chin could will his way to a win against tony. shane, with his hand speed, had as much of a chance to beat tony as anybody else. he needs to fight somebody asap, the longer he waits the less the coto win means.

by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2008 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Agree totally. I just want him to prove to me that the Cotto win wasn’t a one-off. I want him to beat Paul Williams. I want to see the man who beat Cotto prove that he beat him because he is the man, not just because that day the sun did indeed shine on a dog’s ass.

The thing is, I love Cotto, and Margarito’s refusal to get in with anyone right now devalues Tony’s reputation, the win over Cotto and also, by association, Cotto himself.

Beat a few names, then fight Cotto again. That should be Margarito’s very simple 2 year plan.

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by Chaos100 on Nov 19, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Now its out of hand

If the Cotto-Margarito two must be made earlier… might as well be on HBO not PPV. What’s the point? No action from the two for a while, then out of the blue bang… PPV. Now it just seems like he’s a one hit wonder. Clotty… WIlliams… Mosley… you gotta be kiddin me. You’re avoiding all these people for what? For Cotto-Margarito he must be expecting a bigger payday. I won’t be surprised if he gets the same amount he got for the first.

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by CRAZEDANG1280 on Nov 19, 2008 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Thats a dissapointment now i have to watch my favorite two fighters fight each other on my birthday in a fight that could be great but will mean one of the two have to lose

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by rjhabeeb on Nov 20, 2008 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

Part of me...

wants to be mad at Margarito for not taking these fights when he’s complained so much about being ducked in the past. But to look at the situation more dispassionately, Antonio’s last fight was Cotto, who was considered the toughest in the division. Honestly, it would be surprising if any fighter DID take a fight as tough as Mosley or Williams after such a war. So the guy deserves a tuneup, he just needs to learn how to shut his mouth once in a while. Williams sabotaged his big payday with Cotto the first time, and Antonio is not gonna let it happen again. He’ll just have to wait til the second half of 2009, if he can still make weight, that is.

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by blackpage on Nov 20, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Tuneup is fine

But that’s not what he seems to be going for. At the rate he’s going, his next fight will be against Yuri Nuzhnenko as a mandatory. He’s already turned down big paydays for a Williams rematch, a Clottey rematch or a Mosley fight.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF

Margarito isn’t that good. what’s going to happen is that he will lock his self out of some real money making fights in the future. You can’t keep thinking that your going to get big pay days… remember bro, WE ARE IN A RECESSION. If you know that you can beat a fighter than do it and get your stock up.

by Haans Bishop on Nov 20, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t know what Tony is thinking but he must be hanging out with Winky alot.

by Zocalo on Nov 20, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

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