Bad Left Hook Fight Night: Toney-Oquendo and Holt-Hopkins
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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TWO MORE CARDS TONIGHT!
The Toney-Oquendo and Ward-Camou card starts at 9 ET on Versus, and the Holt-Hopkins 140-pound title fight starts at 11 ET on Showtime. Since time between the two will likely be fairly short, we'll just throw these two together.
| KENDALL HOLT Ring Magazine No. 6 Jr. Welterweight Contender WBO Titlist |
DEMETRIUS HOPKINS |
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| 24-2 | Record | 28-0-1 |
| 13 | KO | 11 |
| Paterson, NJ | Hometown | Philadelphia, PA |
| 27 | Age | 28 |
| 5'9" | Height | 5'11" |
| Ricardo Torres (KO-1) Mike Arnaoutis (UD-12) Isaac Hlatshwayo (UD-12) |
Notable Wins | Steve Forbes (UD-12) Michael Warrick (KO-9) |
| Ricardo Torres (TKO-11) Thomas Davis (TKO-1) |
Notable Losses | |
| JAMES TONEY | FRES OQUENDO | |
| 70-6-3 | Record | 29-4 |
| 43 | KO | 18 |
| Sherman Oaks, CA | Hometown | Chicago, IL (San Juan, PR) |
| 40 | Age | 35 |
| 5'10" | Height | 6'2" |
| Dominick Guinn (UD-12) Evander Holyfield (TKO-9) Vassiliy Jirov (UD-12) |
Notable Wins | Elieser Castillo (UD-10) Javier Mora (UD-10) George Arias (TKO-11) |
| Samuel Peter (UD-12, SD-12) Montell Griffin (UD-12, MD-12)) Roy Jones, Jr. (UD-12) |
Notable Losses | Evander Holyfield (UD-12) John Ruiz (TKO-11) Chris Byrd (UD-12) |
| ANDRE WARD | ESTEBAN CAMOU | |
| 16-0 | Record | 23-4 |
| 11 | KO | 19 |
| Oakland, CA | Hometown | Navojoa, Mexico |
| 24 | Age | 32 |
| 6'1" | Height | 5'10" |
| Jerson Ravelo (TKO-8) Rubin Williams (TKO-7) Roger Cantrell (TKO-5) |
Notable Wins | |
| Notable Losses | Jean Pascal (KO-3) Anthony Hanshaw (UD-10) Yori Boy Campas (TKO-6) |
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he is coming off knee surgery, though, so i guess he gets a pass.
by boxingstudent on Dec 13, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he did beat Holt in the amateurs
But that might as well be a different sport. I’m sticking with Kendall. I’m praying for Kendall.
I guess there was some good back and forth trash talking between the two this week, I think I read it in the Rafael chat. Hopkins said that Holt only beat Torres because of a headbutt, then Holt demanded that Hopkins give Forbes the win he stole.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fightnews.com
had the audio.. it was funny… hope the fight is as good as that call
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are there plans
for the rubbermatch against torres sometime next year?
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 7:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not that I've heard
I’m sure there’s interest if Holt wins, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Torres tries to move up, either.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Predictions
Ward TKO5
Toney boring boring SD
Holt wide UD
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll throw some down
Ward TKO-3
Oquendo late stoppage
Holt UD (8-4, 9-3 or so)
I’m picking Oquendo not because I’m a big fan or think he’s very good, but I’m so sick of James Toney’s fat, cheating, lying ass that I’d love for him to be run out of the sport by one of the fringiest of fringe contenders.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Predictions
Oquendo Tko-4
Hopkins UD
I’ve never seen Ward fight so no prediction on that.
by JasonTryp on Dec 13, 2008 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i guess ill make some picks too
oquendo ud 12
ward ko 3
holt ud 12
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and we're live on Vs.
Again not live in HD, since replays of golf are necessary.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They probably don't have the crew to edit both broadcasts simultaneously
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they manage it with WEC
But I guess I should take into account that WEC has some UFC money behind it too.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression that WEC was taped
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, sweet
Shawn Estrada (1-0, 1 KO) v. Shaun Spaid (3-2, 2 KO)
Estrada was an Olympian.
Barry Tompkins and Wally Matthews on the stick. Wally insults Rahman.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who the heck is this guy?
Did he do the Adamek fight as well?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why not James Toney? Well I can think of various reasons….
The only redeeming quality nowadays is that he is a great interview and is sure to make you laugh.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you can understand him
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
James Toney is the consummate professional?
That’s a new one.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly… they said that with a straight face.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still want Lennon to screw up
and accidentally say that it’s Showtime.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nice ponytail
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Wearing tiger print trunks..."
Jesus Christ, kid…
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse
Could be the mullet boxer.
If you havent seen it, Youtube it.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow this guy sucks.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i am grateful
for the ammount of boxing on tv this week… (note i watched foch vs pascal for the first time this week so maybe im exaggerating)
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow this is a circus show fight
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
And the ref has the audacity to call the fight on a push to the back of the head.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Estrada-Spaid R1
And Estrada just starts WINGING shots, and DOWN GOES SPAID! Well, then.
OK, toughman contest ponytail tiger prints, let’s go.
Spaid falls down punching. And he about falls down punching again. Estrada is wailing on him. Down he goes again. Lou Moret thankfully stops this.
Shawn Estrada TKO-1, 43 seconds
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You know this might be the first time you didn’t need to give a recap… it was just a joke.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope James Toney gets an early stoppage to shut up all you haters
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He hasn’t won on an early stoppage in a decade.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasnt boxed a complete can in that long either
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Batchelder?
Hello? McFly, McFly?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oquendo isn't a can
Oquendo is a shit lot better than Danny Batchelder and even roided up Toney had a lot of trouble with that guy. To be fair Batchelder failed his drug test, too.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S TOTALLY TOUGH. TOTALLY TOUGH AND PONYTAILED.
I’m going to be honest, though, Wally Matthews’ sermon after the fight is a bit much for me when these two were trying to sell us on Shaun Spaid no more than five minutes ago. THE BLAME IS ON THE COMMISSION. WE’RE ALL IN A BAD SPOT. Dude, can it. This is who guys fight when they’re in their second fight. You’re just usually not there to see it.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Based on what little I saw
I’m not that impressed with Estrada either. Not that quick, and missed most of his shots despite his opponent just barging in there.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"This is who guys fight when they’re in their second fight. You’re just usually not there to see it."
GREAT point
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They've showed Berto's debut fight on MSG about a thousand times
And he was actually pretty decent, just had a shit chin.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse fight
Estrada-Spaid or Lopez-Medina?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Medina
At least Spaid made a go of it — it’s not his fault he was totally overmatched.
by schraubd on Dec 13, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he threw a few with purpose
Medina was in the tank and might have shit himself.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the commentators talking about how Estrada needs some poise or some control after they put in a tough man to fight him
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Estrada
Let’s give Shawn Estrada some good competition not tomato cans. The fights I saw last night on boxeo Tecate were better than that one.
by JasonTryp on Dec 13, 2008 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he'll get there
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God
Can we seriously get a ban on this antiquated measurement of reach? Armpit to end of fist, guys. It’s all that matters.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wholeheartedly disagree
When you throw a punch, you turn your torso into it. If you don’t include the torso, it’s wildly inaccurate.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's valid
To be honest, I believe reach is a misleading and often pointless statistic to begin with.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Camou is a decent gatekeeper at least
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Camou in Red Sox gear
I’m done with you, Esteban.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A Red Sox jersey with Rocky on the back??……..man I hope Ward doesnt carry him past the 3rd
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
his whole life was a million-to-one shot
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rocky is his nickname
Not sure why the Red Sox jersey though. He’s from Mexico. Hanshaw and Pascal have kicked this guy’s ass, I don’t expect Ward to have a problem.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he loves Manny and Schilling!
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
quick question
is the holt hopkins fight the only fight being televised on showtime?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no
I just remembered that Yuri Foreman is yaaaaaaawwwwwwzzzzzzzzzzzz………..
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael said it was the "televised opener" the other day, IIRC
Which did not please me.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe so.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, Pat Russell
One of my favorite referees.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Andre “Apollo Creed” Ward
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Went to 10th grade in Seattle… impressive.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
happy to know
this guy was once a sophmore in highschool, thanks lol
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone extremely distracted by the bright yellow shirt EVENT STAFF standing in the background?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he sat down i think its safe to actually watch boxing
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Camou R1
Nice left to the body, and then a right to the body follows from Ward. That second one seemed to sting Camou a little. Very nice jab from Ward so far, making the distance clear for Camou. Ward is not showing any real ill effects from the knee surgery, working his way around the ring, keeping Camou chasing, and pot shotting along the way.
Nice left hook from Ward, and a right hand follows it before the bell. Nice round for Ward. He should finish this fairly quickly.
Ward 10-9
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've really had it with Enzyte Bob
We get it, you have a boner and everyone’s happy for you.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When I have a boner, usually it has the opposite effect
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The over under on that commercial for the night? I say 3…
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
more like 10
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll take the over for sure
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahahahahgahahahahahahahahahahahah
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good left uppercut too bad if he throws it against anyone real he’ll get killed on the counter
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who came up with the term
“natural male enhancer”??? very hilarious… ahhhh the joy of being in your 20’s and to know nothing of those problems
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Camou R2
Left hook from Ward. Ward working off of a pawing jab. The left is really working for him, as he lands a couple more. HARD right as Camou opens up. Very, very nice stuff. Ward is thoroughly dominating this, dictating the pace and tagging Camou at will. Camou can’t do anything. Nasty right to the body, then a combo. He’s got it all working tonight. Another wicked right, then a three punch combo. Left hook from Camou has some mustard on it, but Ward comes right back on him. Camou’s face is reddening up plenty already.
1-2 after some missed lefts and a short right that did land. Round ends with another Ward flurry.
Ward 10-9
Ward 20-18
Honestly this is so lopsided both rounds could’ve been 10-8, but Camou hasn’t been noticeably hurt yet, so 10-9 for me.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
once again
jacobs or ward? you gotta figure jocobs would have ride us of Camou by now
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
*rid
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as i say that
it ends
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Camou R3
Ward goes southpaw and I think a train is unloading cargo somewhere in the background. Wally wonders if the knee might be bothering Ward, causing him to switch his stance. Ward winding up his left. The southpaw stance isn’t the prettiest thing from him, but he’s so much better than Camou that it doesn’t matter. Camou seems unable to figure out the stance switch at all. Ward DRILLS him with a left hand, drives him into the ropes, and moments later Pat Russell stops it.
“Heeey that’s a quick hook!” remarks Wally, and yet Esteban Camou doesn’t say a thing about the stoppage.
Andre Ward TKO-3
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
stop saying "quick hook"
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is never good when your head moves like a peez depenser.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Slow developing career for Andre Ward, no?
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
little bit
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HOT BOD
B-O-D FOR ME
CHECK OUT THAT BOD
I WANT – I WANT YOUR BOD
And now the fucking Free Credit Report band. It’s commercial hell.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I feel your pain.
However, Free Credit Report is annoyingly catchy.
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know when James puts the lights out?…..do I have time to wonder away before hand?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You could wander away the rest of the night if you’re waiting for James to turn the lights out.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruiserweight
Will you be watching the new contender series in between Versus and the Showtime fights?
by JasonTryp on Dec 13, 2008 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This should end pretty much as the Showtime show starts. Plus I hate The Contender.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The new season is good so far…. I recommend it
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a hardcore fan but I will not watch that joke of a show. They don’t even have one real contender in the top 25 of the cruiserweights.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you expect though why would a real contender put their career in jeopardy by going on that tv show
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what I don't like
is simply the presentation. You can edit any fight to make it look good or like one guy won. HBO edited Pac-Barrera II down to make it look compelling.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that I agree with…..but I look at it as better than movie boxing so i just think of it as a regular movie or non boxing reality show
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just hate the name of the show… the Contender?
I know we will not see anyone become a name in the sport but any fan of the sport nows that all of them are closer to club fighters than contenders.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ding-a-Ling always has a puncher's shot
Can’t box for shit, though. I actually like Felix Cora.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You want to know how to get a free credit report?
Go to your local BMW dealer ask for a test drive…. ask for the paper work….
They tell you that your credit isn’t up to par… ask for your credit report. You are entitled to one each year for free if you are ever denied credit.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
does BMW give you enough time to pull tail on a test drive?
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, James Toney looks surprisingly fit.
Are pigs flying?
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I call it relatively fit
Since he shouldn’t be a heavyweight to begin with.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is still freaky seeing how thin he was when he fought Roy.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Whopper Virgins" is a horrible combination of words
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hate Burger King…
How bad is your food when McDonalds is even more healthier than your food.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
another commercial bugs me
I play World of Warcraft (go figure, I’m a dork), but not seriously, and I’m a huge Sopranos fan, and Silvio holding a cigar in that commercial makes no sense as Silvio doesn’t smoke cigars even one time on the entire run of that show.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
picking up the action from Malik Scott-Raphael Butler
Fringe gatekeepers.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are not going to give recaps of this fight are you?
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no because I don't know what happened for four rounds
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
plus I don't give a shit
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got locals
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do like
this wild idea by Versus of showing us undercard fights when the headliners go short. HBO could learn from that.
by schraubd on Dec 13, 2008 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's a fascinating thing
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they must have some kind of revolutionary technology to be able to do this………..HBO doesnt even know how to show swing fights
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why American heavyweights looks doughy,
while these European heavyweights are fit, or at least in better shape. These two fighters could be in better shape. I’m probably reading too much into the physical fitness of the heavies.
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
because Americans lack class!
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
plus, frankly
Neither of these guys are training full-time. They have regular jobs.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardio. If you have a gut that makes you are not doing enough cardio.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's disgusting
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott's Shorts
are HUGE
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Malik Scott has not got much of a punch but he’s got talent. He’s going to be 32 and 0 now. That’s not bad is it?
by JasonTryp on Dec 13, 2008 9:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is the drive there?
He doesn’t seem like he really has the passion to dig deep when he has to. Then again, nobody’s really pushed him yet. Maybe he’ll raise his game with the level of competition.
by schraubd on Dec 13, 2008 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Malik Scott is like the next Larry Donald. Perhaps not as good.
by JasonTryp on Dec 13, 2008 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another male enhancement commercial… that is 2 for the night.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 10:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good liquor
doesnt have a commercial, it sells itself. anybody seen a patron commercial? NO
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
same can be said with good beer now that you put it that way
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Patron is awesome…
I also love Cabo Wabo Tequila.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cabo Wabo is ridiculously good
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
come on Wally
“Stopped Evander Holyfield, which we know is not easy to do.”
Holyfield’s corner threw in the towel and Holyfield was way past it.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Time to put the “lights out” too bad Oquendo is a Bears fan…..normally I’d cheer for him just because of that
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is that Arreola in the ring or some other out of shape tatoo’d big man?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
probably Arreola
He works with Toney.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
score the fight online…..thats something fun to do so I can put off real work between rounds
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
IBA belt? What the hell? I never heard of that organization
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
apparently its equivilant to the WBO latino belt??
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
do they keep trying to make Toney seem like this great fighter???
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
because they're selling us on this being as good as any other fight
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney was a great fighter WAS
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R1
And Oquendo forgets his mouthpiece. Great start.
Jab by Toney, Oquendo misses a left. Toney’s ass is about to fall out of his trunks.
Left hook Toney, and Oquendo just got caught with a chopping right. Shit, rjhabeeb might win this war of words. Oquendo rocks him back a bit about a minute later. In between Toney is doing his thing. Oquendo working the jab, keeping Toney at distance. JT is doing his usual bit where he lands a big punch per round and in between doesn’t do much at all besides posture in a throwback-y way that gives commentators hard-ons. Lucky for him Oquendo isn’t very good either.
Oquendo 10-9, but barely — I liked his work with the jab
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
joe goosen
is always gonna be a favorite of mine for his interactions with chico in that epic 10th round
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
highly underrated trainer IMO
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
goosen>mcgirt
easy
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also took his sweet time getting his mouthpiece in that fight…
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just adds to the legend
that is that fight
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As of now the VS. online scorecard is averaged 9.6-9.5 about as close as it gets
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R2
I shouldn’t totally hate on JT. I like the way he fights in many ways. That style gives me a hard-on too. I’ll be fair. I’ll put my bias aside.
If he can turn this into a craft war, he’ll pull away easily. Still, his legs don’t look great tonight. He IS 40 years old. Oquendo is trying to make the fight go, but isn’t being over aggressive. Toney just isn’t working. He’s not out of the gate yet.
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 20-18
I’m trying but I won’t lie. I don’t care about this fight at all. Neither of these guys has a hope in hell of winning a title.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey… they are fighting for the IBA title… don’t diss it.
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I’m trying but I won’t lie. I don’t care about this fight at all"
i 2nd that
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R3
Toney storms out with the left, and he’s tracking Oquendo like a damn dog now. Nice right from Oquendo, and Toney oversells like Ricky Morton. Toney with a couple decent rights. Right from Oquendo. Oquendo with a little charge. His workrate might be winning another round. Nah, I’m giving this one to JT.
Toney 10-9
Oquendo 29-28
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tough to watch this fight.
Gotta love the cinergy commerical. sarcasm
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This fight is soo slow they are talking about Toney’s acting career…..What movie was he Joe Frazier?? How did I miss that one?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ali
Which Barry Tompkins moronically called “the Mike Tyson movie” earlier.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you thats what confused me……..I’ll have to go back and re-find that movie I never made it all the way through it…………is it “movie boxing” or realistic?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R4
Oquendo grips up for a head-and-arm Tazplex. Oh Jesus, Toney falls down and falls out of the ring. Toney’s pissed when he comes back, throwing a heavy right and going on the attack a little. JT’s swatting Oquendo’s jab, and yet still Toney isn’t doing a lot. Oquendo caught him with a bit of a right at the end of the round.
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 39-37
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this
You could have 3-1 Toney right now and I wouldn’t argue.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is tough to watch…….I grew up as a huge James Toney fan…..but now he is just sad to watch in the ring
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney's lucky Thompson pulled out
Thompson would have destroyed him if he fought like this.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 10:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R5
Kind of a same ol’ same ol’ round. Oquendo is just outworking and outpointing him from my seat. Toney’s just slow and sluggish and not himself. He’s not even the faded version of “himself” tonight. Oquendo pops with another right near the end of the round. Barry calls it “an action fight.” What’s the last fight he saw? Klitschko-Ibragimov?
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 49-46
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The only action will be the post fight race to the buffet table
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arreola will smoke them both
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arreola on live TV
Keep the bleep machine ready
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R6
Oquendo lands a nice right. Toney looks positively shit tonight. I’m not trying to hide it anymore. I curbed my dislike of JT enough that I think I’m really just being honest. He looks awful. Toney postures with his taunting, but there’s not much coming back. Left hook Oquendo. Uppercut Oquendo.
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 59-55
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no warning after that uppercut?……wow I must be biased
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain Arreola.
I wouldn’t have anything positive to say about this fight, more specifically James Toney, either.
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney's already lucked into a couple wins at HW
I wouldn’t be shocked if Oquendo gets robbed here…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 10:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wlad
is NOT just like James Chris.. sorry
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R7
Oquendo keeps scoring and scoring. A couple of chopping rights back Toney down. Maybe he can make a face then throw a left and excite the crowd. Toney caught coming in now. Oquendo warned for punching behind the head, which was pretty much James’ fault. Another round for Fres. Toney is doing nothing.
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 69-64
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
even a James Toney fan has to say thats poor refereeing
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R8
Toney hit with another right. Oquendo chops away and gets warned for another back of the head shot. That wasn’t behind the head, Lou. Toney’s causing all of those anyway. This is one crap fight.
WOOLY BULLY!
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 79-73
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whats a worse corner comment……….James corner asking what round it is or Oquendo’s telling him there is 3 more rounds to go?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll side with James's corner.
Thats just blatantly bad not knowing what round it is.
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shane Mosley's dad is notorious for that
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tru dat.
Didn’t Mosley hire one of Hopkins’s trainers?
by E-ROC on Dec 13, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nazim Richardson, yes
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R9
Popping right and a nice one by JT. Fres comes back with an overhand right and checks with Dr. Lou to make sure it was kosher. Right by Toney. James is lumbering like never before. I mean his feet are just slower than all hell. Oquendo with a left to the gut. Both guys are looking pretty sloptastic at this point, though Oquendo is fresher than usual. Maybe James’ best round.
Toney 10-9
Oquendo 88-83
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you know, this has three rounds to go and it’s 13 minutes ‘til the Showtime card. I will gladly abandon this, I think. Or maybe I won’t considering it’s Yuri Foreman starting.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m biased but I have it 86-84 Toney
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
totally defensible, really
It’s not like I think Oquendo is dominating, just winning.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*85-84 Oquendo my bad
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R10
Online scoring is Oquendo 85.3 to Toney’s 85.2
Maybe this can be a draw so we can get an exciting rematch.
Another round for Toney, I think.
Toney 10-9
Oquendo 97-93
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R11
Oquendo with a chopping right. Toney’s getting a good walking workout tonight, I’ll say that. Oquendo keeps charging and not landing much square, but it’s not like JT’s doing anything to impress either. This is a damn hard fight to score. I’m sure I’m wider than most, but I’m just completely unimpressed by Toney tonight.
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 107-102
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be honest...
i stopped watching that fight and started looking for a link for holt-hopkins
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 10:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
channel 750 for me baby……….good ol’ Comcast making my bill cheaper with HBO and Showtime than it is without
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
105-103 Jose I think my match is bad though
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney-Oquendo R12
FINAL ROUND PRAISE GOD
HUGE right from Oquendo to start the round. James is eating rights, trying to feign and it’s just not happening. I think he can be competitive in mid-level fights from here on out but Jesus he, like Rahman, is done at the top tier. He has nothing left in the tank. Oquendo so easily won these final two rounds — James barely put up a fight at all. Hopefully the scores don’t take 10 minutes to get tallied and read.
Oquendo 10-9
Oquendo 117-111
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 10:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
won’t be a robbery but it will take atleast some blindness for James to win
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even if you score every close round for Toney
Oquendo still wins by a point, IMHO. That means it would be a robbery.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure others disagree though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats why I’ll call it blindness I gave everything close to James and had him losing but with a point deduction…..it doesnt take too many blinking judges to see it a different way………lets just hope Jimmy Lennon Jr. calls it a Unanimous Dec for Fres “Jose” Oquendo
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
read the scores already
Showtime’s live
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the recaps… they were hard to go thru…
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 11:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Bernstein on Showtime tonight or when i flipped over did i miss him?
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's a Shobox
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is my boy doing some interviews on SHOW
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toney SD
Poor Oquendo. Does he ever win?
by schraubd on Dec 13, 2008 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TONEY-OQUENDO OFFICIAL DECISION
115-112 Toney
116-111 Oquendo
115-113 Toney
JAMES TONY BY SPLIT DECISION
Fuck off, already. That’s crap.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
115-112……then 116-111———-then 114-113……wow flip those scores around for Toney
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How in gods name is that fight 115-112 for James???
Bruce Seldon > Ali
by rjhabeeb on Dec 13, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and on to Showtime
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
!!
Toney did shit
Just posed and moved his fat body around. Poor Oquendo got robbed even though the fight was boring please BE FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JasonTryp on Dec 13, 2008 11:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
boxing people are in love with James Toney
Despite repeated failed steroid tests and a legacy of being a guy who can’t control his eating habits. You’d think Toney wouldn’t be so happily accepted, but he is. I find it ridiculous.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hooray it's Yuri Foreman
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo
The fighter who tries NOT to hurt his opponent…
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 13, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone was tired, this'll help!
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I rather see Cory Spinks than Yuri…. yeah… I am serious,,,
by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2008 11:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
at least Cory is really skilled
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R1
Yuri with a quick left. Two rights from Foreman. Moore starts throwing a little, but Foreman, as always, moves well and James is having trouble finding him. Heavy right from Foreman. He’s really landing the lead right well. He’s going to the body and they’re actually scrapping a little. Praise the Lord. Foreman with ANOTHER big right. Terrible round for Moore.
Foreman 10-9
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R2
Nice body shot from Foreman. He does look sharp. Moore with a long right that barely lands. Overhand right misses. Right to the body from Yuri. He’s keeping distance so easily. Moore just can’t get much done so far. He’ll have to put a good charge in.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 20-18
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
More exciting than a James Toney fight!
Foreman isn’t boring me to tears yet. Good for him (especially because — yawn style notwithstanding — he is very skilled. Plus I gotta love my Jewish coreligionists).
by schraubd on Dec 13, 2008 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R3
This is about as exciting as a Foreman fight has ever been. Moore putting the chase on, so that’s commendable. He isn’t accepting defeat. He’s working hard to find a way to start scoring and hopefully slow Yuri down. Trade of rights, and Yuri throws another one. And another nice shot. This is fine workrate and I’m OK with that.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 30-27
Moore has one of the most animated trainers ever.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R4
My internet blipped and I closed the window first. I gave this round to Foreman, too.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 40-36
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R5
Moore is getting Foreman to war up a bit, which is neat. Moore is doing the best he can against athletic gifts and odds. He’s also not getting caught with that right anymore, or else Yuri just isn’t throwing it.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 50-45
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
brandon jacobs
in the locker room with holt.. singlehandedly killing my fanstasy with his injury but still taking the time to see the fight
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 11:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R6
Moore is a fun guy to watch. He’s so fun he’s making Yuri watchable. Foreman going to the body nicely on Moore’s charges. Foreman with the big right again. Moore is a fuckin’ predator. I love it. He’s getting popped and just keeps coming in. Moore misses a right, Foreman hits a left in retaliation. Right from Foreman. He’s just a lot quicker, much better technique.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 60-54
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R7
Foreman’s mouthpiece falls out twice. Big right from Foreman behind the ear, and Moore is hurt. Foreman hits another right, and he’s getting as aggressive as he ever gets. Another right lands.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 70-63
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R8
Nice right from Foreman. Moore is definitely shaken up still. Chopping right near the ear again. Foreman is now clinching on Moore’s charges. CLEAN shot by Foreman shakes Moore again. Moore’s mouthpiece replaced now. Yuri wins yet another round.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 80-72
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
whats the deal
with these guys and their mouthpeices?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 13, 2008 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R9
Foreman keeps pot-shotting and moving. He’s done it all night. Yuri’s never going to excite anyone, really, but he’s got a decent chance at winning an alphabet strap at some point. BIG right from Foreman hurts Moore again. Bad cut over his left eye, but the round ends and he’ll likely gut out the final round.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 90-81
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman-Moore R10
Moore shoved down near the end of the first minute. Moore, pissed off, starts swinging. The cut is ruled open by a punch, which is a good call since the headbutt in question was on the other side of the face, and very clearly so. More mouthpieces falling out. Good Lord.
Easy win for Foreman, and a decent enough fight. Foreman, as always, is gracious in victory.
Foreman 10-9
Foreman 100-90
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FOREMAN-MOORE OFFICIAL DECISION
99-90
100-90
99-91
YURI FOREMAN BY UNANIMOUS DECISION
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moore raises Yuri's hand and hugs him
Good dude.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins coming
I gotta admit, I’m about tapped on things to say about boxing today. I love this many fights, but goddamn.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 13, 2008 11:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HBO should be pissing in their pants
Even without wide screen
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Dec 14, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HBO better have an awesome yearender…
by Zocalo on Dec 14, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re replaying a lot of great fights. Cotto-Margarito and JMM-Pac II are both on 12/27.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but have they made a quick recap of the entire year?
If they did I think it was of everything they show not just sports.
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Dec 14, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not that I know of
I wish SHO would re-air Vazquez-Marquez in HD so I could DVR that shit.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel you pain
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Dec 14, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
MY DVR won’t record in HD, for whatever retarded reason.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is terrible
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still dont have hd
its a recession and all that.. i hate it
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a bit of a drain on me, honestly
I ain’t rich. I’m just extravagant. And dumb.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get free HD including HBO with my cable.
by Zocalo on Dec 14, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No they have not… they have in the past waited for the last reply to show their yearender…
by Zocalo on Dec 14, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They usually wait til the last replay to show their yearender….
Examples 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l75sn7GrsMk&feature=channel_page
2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52MwjzecfKE&feature=related
2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=895VJ2OxfKE&feature=related
2007
by Zocalo on Dec 14, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she is a bit of alright
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i love
when guys come out to jay-z
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and hate
when they come out to “i get money” but enjoy holt getting to the ring quickly
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite ever
Ibragimov coming out to Rick Ross’ “Hustlin’.” That dude did not hustle enough.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he came out to that?!?!?!
can NOT believe i missed that
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for the Klitschko fight
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its amazing
hes even HEARD the song
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He lives in like Scottsdale AZ or something
Ibragamov lives in the US
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
liking
the crowd.. they’re WAY into it tonite
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
AC is always solid
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Calzage everybody
give him a hand… lol im so sick of that guy
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R1
They’re trading some nice leather to start. Both look sharp. Holt is the aggressor. Man they are really trading nice combinations, Holt getting the better of it in this opening round. Good round for Kendall.
Holt 10-9
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R2
Holt is landing first, leading most times, and throwing power shots. Uppercut from Holt, and a wicked right thrown and missed. Holt definitely showed up to fight tonight. No repeat of the Ben Tackie performance. Right to the body by Kendall. Hopkins is doing a lot of smiling as he tries to avoid power shots. Left hook thrown. Holt is cruising a bit right now.
Holt 10-9
Holt 20-18
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is gonna destroy Holt
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2008 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i actually
think itd be a close fight
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt is really vulnerable
I kinda agree that Bradley whips him.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think bradley wins
just think itd be a good fight
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the fight
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt leaves his chin too wide open
And his chin isn’t very good. Bradley’s more accurate than Torres and should be able to better exploit that.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R3
Hopkins caught on the ropes and Holt just rips away. DHop gets away. Right hand from Holt after the jab. Ripping left to the body. Hopkins fires back with two shots. Hopkins with a nice combo moments later. Holt with a wild right that glances. Holt with two shots, blocked, and Hop hits a big hook. Holt fires back with one of his own. Hook to the body by Holt. That punch is landing very nicely. Hopkins doesn’t quite look outclassed, just too cautious to hang with a guy willing to lead.
Holt 10-9
Holt 30-27
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R4
Hopkins doubles on the jab. Nick wonders why DHop isn’t letting his hands go more. I don’t know that he’s seen Hop fight before, like when Kellerman was amazed that Rocky Juarez started kind of slow. Hopkins is landing some good stuff this round, too, but there’s a left hook by Holt and he opens up and lets HIS hands go. He’s really throwing big shots with a ton of bad intent.
Hopkins 10-9
Holt 39-37
Hopkins corner: “You’re tryin’ to win his title, man, stop laughin’.”
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
hopkins on his bike
ugh
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R5
If Hop would keep throwing those jabs and working off of them he could really win some rounds. His jab does look good. Hop is also doing a better job of avoiding big shots the last couple rounds. 30 seconds and it’s Hopkins so far. This is a fine, competitive fight. Hopkins is staying away from him, which might not win him any fans but will win him rounds.
Hopkins 10-9
Holt 48-47
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R6
Hopkins is kind of effectively neutralizing Holt’s offense the last few rounds. Nice little trade inside. Minute left and it’s up for grabs. Holt wins another exchange. Holt with a shot to the body. Jab from Hop.
Holt 10-9
Holt 58-56
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
my link is down
sucks… your all i got now sc
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Dec 14, 2008 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sportinwood channel is not working for you?
by Zocalo on Dec 14, 2008 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R7
Hopkins stung on a big left from Holt as they trade shots immediately. Right from Holt. Hopkins tying up and hanging on. Right to the body from Holt, and Hopkins ties him up again. Hopkins jabbing, and Holt lays off the gas, probably wisely. He did buzz him but it might not still be there. Holt with a right. Holt rushes him again. Exchange, and Holt lands a left hook at the end of it, but he got popped, too. Holt throwing more hard shots. HUGE right misses by Holt. That was a KO seeker. Both land again. Good round for Kendall.
Holt 10-9
Holt 68-65
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R8
Hop with a long jab to the body, nothin’ on it. Hopkins is moving around the ring, getting on his bike a little, and landing his jab. There’s the right behind it. Holt with a stiff jab, then throws a power shot to the body. Farhood is right — Hopkins is totally predictable offensively. The rounds are a matter of whether he avoids Holt or not. Holt stalking, cracking when he can, trying to find Hopkins but not chasing him. Just pursuing. 1-2 from Hopkins at the end.
Holt 10-9
Holt 78-74
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R9
Holt starts the round aggressive again, AND NOW THEY TRADE! Holt wins that one. Hopkins is doing a lot of clinching now. I don’t think he really wants anything to do with Kendall Holt at this point. Right from Holt lands, and then moments later he’s just winging wild shots. Hopkins lands a right, glancingly. Nice rights on a combination from Hopkins with Holt ducking way down.
Holt 10-9
Holt 88-83
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If DHop never made it on TV again, I wouldn't mind
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R10
Hopkins throwing, but the best punch of the exchange is a left hook to the body by Holt. Hook and a right both glance from Holt. Holt throwing again. Hopkins just can’t win those exchanges. Nice right from Hop near the end, but I’m still favoring Holt this round even though he’s slowed down a bit.
Holt 10-9
Holt 98-92
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
DHop's corner is all over him
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R11
Holt’s slowed down is starting to catch up a bit, though hopefully he’s well enough ahead. Hop lands a couple nice rights in the final minute of the round to take it.
Hopkins 10-9
Holt 107-102
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holt-Hopkins R12
And, somewhat thankfully, it ends. Holt landed enough to win this round, and he deserves to win this fight.
Holt 10-9
Holt 117-111
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 1:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you got that right
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The card for Hopkins was flat rotten
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2008 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HOLT-HOPKINS OFFICIAL DECISION
115-113 Hopkins (Julie Lederman)
116-112 Holt
117-111 Holt
KENDALL HOLT BY SPLIT DECISION
Thank God. Nice card, Julie.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
DHop: "I thought I won the fight."
You thought you beat Forbes, too, you smug bore.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 14, 2008 1:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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