Erik Morales speaks again, takes Hatton over Manny
by SC on Dec 9, 2008 7:09 PM EST
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Source: ESTO (by way of BoxingScene.com)
Erik Morales, you may recall, was one of the boxing coalition against Oscar-Manny because of the fact that the fight was a joke and a farce and all that stuff. Oscar would behead Manny, who would get tired on account of being too small.
Now, like all that held that opinion (and I was one of them before coming around late in the game, admittedly), Morales thinks the fight was a farce because Oscar de la Hoya "didn't want to win" or whatever B.S. excuse people are making for Pacquiao overwhelming and dominating Oscar.
And since Morales has yet to find a topic in the last few months he doesn't want to weigh in on, he's talking Pacquiao-Hatton, and says it'll do great business and that he picks Hatton to win.
This is all OK as far as I'm concerned, and I know it might seem like I want to dump on Morales. I don't. He's Erik Morales, one of my favorite fighters, and considering he's been in the ring with Pacquiao and is the last guy to defeat him -- and the only guy to beat him after Pacquiao got out of boxing diapers, so to speak -- he obviously has some knowledge.
Still, I don't know that Erik appreciates how good Pacquiao has become, because when Manny started really finding his groove, it came against Morales, who started losing steps at the same time. Their second fight, Manny just wore him out and beat his legs. The third fight, he bombed him, and I'll never take anything away from Morales in either fight. Even clearly outgunned in that third fight, Morales stood in there and traded to the best of his remaining ability.
Here's a question, and I'm serious. Remember the third Pacquiao-Morales fight, on the final knockdown, Morales shook his head, almost cocked a half-smile, and decided he wasn't getting up and taking any more? Does that count as "going out on your shield" for you? We all will agree Oscar did not go out on his shield, but Morales essentially did the same thing. He was sitting up, he was aware of the situation, and he said, "Screw it, that's enough." I kind of want to give Erik shield credit for that one, but I think some might disagree.
Anyway, Morales is sort of turning into a neighborhood gossip, and I love it. I still hope he doesn't fight again.
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Morales is just jealous that he'll never make light welterweight again
He looks like he’s pretty close to a heavyweight these days.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Morales was smart he should of made Pacquiao go up in weight to fight him in the second fight cause he couldn’t make the weight. That’s why he lost fight 2 and 3. In the first fight Morales whipped Pacquiao and in the second and third he lost because of his weight.
by ralph11 on Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it would have mattered. Erik might have been a bit stronger, but at 135 he had plenty of trouble with David Diaz (very good fight, though), and David Diaz is no Manny Pacquiao. I think their careers just were going in opposite directions. Manny was still improving and Morales had the wars catching up with him.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 9, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Morales "...essentially did the same thing"?
No Morales did not do the same thing DLH, not even close. DLH and Morales are completely different animals who’s losses to Pac could not be more polarized.
Look at the first knockdown, how did Morales go down? He was trying to throw a right hand and got touched in the process. Morales was trying to attack Pac, trying to hurt him. DLH was not willing to be in that position.
Then, after having been knocked down and hurt, Morales spends the rest of the round trying to be first in nasty flurries, using both hands. He follows that with a gutsy second round, taking chances and getting tagged, but legitimately trying to damage Pac.
During exchanges in that fight Morales tried to do what he spent his career doing: trying to be first and last in the fire fights.
Even after getting dropped for the second time, Morales goes on the attack, making himself vulnerable to a 99/100 certainty that he’ll get tagged again, which he did.
He could have stood up, I don’t deny that. The difference is that Morales already ‘laid it on the line’ and had been dropped while looking for a homerun. Morales’ legs were gone, not in a fatigued sense like DLH’s, closer to a Montell Griffith v. Jones Jr. sense.
So no, they are not the same, not even in the same ball park. There is no question Morales went out ‘on his shield’. He tried to KO Pac and got KO’d. Just a different animal than DLH.
by lcollins1 on Dec 9, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"essentially the same thing"
Morales was fighting and quit. He could’ve gotten up. DLH quit. That’s all I meant.
The rest of your comparison is pretty much exactly what I think, too.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 9, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Listen
The only persons I would pick over Pacman would be Margarioto, Cotto, and Williams. Well maybe not Williams, he’ll probably have him going all over the place. And at 140 not even a name from a hat will be reasonable. Hatton said no one can beat him at 140, my man, prepare you record to be 45-2 after Pacman gets thru with you. I will even go as far and state this might even turn in to “NO MAS 2.” But obviously that is a true by a long shot. I said it before and I’ll say it again: Manny Pacquiao is the reincarnation of Muhammad Ali. This motha is a punching machine. I doubt Hatton is gonna even be able to withstand the effects of this monster.
What ever you do… don’t call him little guy (Period)
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Dec 9, 2008 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thing is Hatton will be punching him back unlike DLH. At his natural weight of course.
Hatton may well lose but he would never shit his bricks and quit.
Its a cracking match up..see what happens ..i just hope it comes off.
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by dinkman on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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