Lennox Lewis leads the 2009 Hall of Fame class
Former world heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis -- the last real world heavyweight champion -- heads up the 2009 Hall of Fame class, elected on his very first year of eligibility. Lewis retired in 2003 with a record of 41-2-1, with 31 knockouts. He beat every man he ever stepped into the ring against, avenging losses against Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. He also beat Evander Holyfield in the rematch of their shameful draw, a fight Lewis clearly deserved to win anyway.
Others elected into the Hall from the modern era are Texan bantamweight star Orlando Canizales and Brian Mitchell, the first South African to be enshrined in Canastota. Both Canizales and Mitchell are heartily deserving of the honor, just as Lewis is.
But let's really talk about Lennox. Most of the time here, when we talk about Lennox, it's because he's such a terrible analyst on HBO. But Lennox was a class act fighter and a great one to boot. There is the stigma attached to basically all modern fighters that nobody's ever as good as they were in the old days; this happens in every other sport, and I hope my generation will be the one to admit someday when there are new stars in sports that maybe these guys could have played in any era, though that's unlikely.
Lennox was never the big, huge superstar guy. He wasn't always the most exciting fighter, though he had real power and at 6'5" with that power could go toe-to-toe with anyone in boxing history, and I mean that. It's also hard to compare the different eras because of the natural size advantages modern guys have. Joe Louis was 6'2", but was in modern terms a cruiserweight. Same with Rocky Marciano, who at 5'10" and usually around 185 pounds would probably be cutting 10 pounds to get down to light heavyweight if he fought now, and even then he'd be short a lot of fights. Antonio Margarito is 5'11", you know?
You can normalize things to some degree, though, and I don't think it takes much math or science, it just takes common sense. If you don't normalize, guys like Wladimir Klitschko, even, with his size, power, and technical prowess -- they're going to beat the crap out Marciano or Louis, but of course there's not anyone with a brain that would rank Wlad as an all-time heavy over either man.
I don't usually like to get into these things, either, because they tend to spark weird debate where I don't think anyone can prove anything. But since it's a Hall of Fame thing, why not?
Anyway, where would you rank Lewis all-time as a heavyweight?
For the modern fighters, 1980s and forward, I'd put him either No. 1 or No. 2, behind perhaps only Holyfield, with Holmes third if you consider that the same era (it's close enough, I think, as Larry was the bridge between generations), all a mile ahead of Mike Tyson, who will be up for induction in two years (Mike's a story for another time).
Top ten? Top 15? Higher?
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Top 5
Top 10 in terms of record. #1 in terms of H2H. There’s no rational explanation for having him outside of the top 10 all-time heavyweights, or at least I haven’t seen one that seems credible to me. I think there are good arguments for placing him anywhere between 3 and 10, and I have him at 5 personally.
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by Brickhaus on Dec 9, 2008 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Top Heavies
For heavyweights in the era in which I watched boxing regularly (before returning to the fold last year), I’d put Lewis in the top 5 definitely. For all time, that’s a more difficult question, but I don’t think top 10-15 would be unlikely. I missed the end of his career, but from what I’ve read, he retired smart and with grace (why aren’t you taking a lesson, Evander?)
by Hatton_Wonderland on Dec 9, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Certainly Top 10
If not Top 5.
Congrats Lennox.
Bird Lives.
by yardbird on Dec 9, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
for the record
Manny Steward puts him in the top six, he says in the AP article.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 9, 2008 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who is better all time than Lennox Lewis? Let’s see: Ali, Louis, Jack Johnson, Foreman, Larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, and Ezzard Charles.
by Matt Miller on Dec 10, 2008 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would put Liston on there too.
So that puts Lennox at what, 12th?
Bird Lives.
by yardbird on Dec 10, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 overall.
I think Lennox would sit around there.
As Scott touched on , its hard to compare fighters from bygone eras. If that was the case i think he could beat any on the list Matt has posted above Making him the greatest? ;)
Lewis Vs Ali ,Both at best – i would take Lennox to win a dull 12 rounds fight. But thats me.
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Underground you got to go there...
by dinkman on Dec 10, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I try to compare them relative to their eras, like a lot of boxing geeks I suppose, taking into consideration the advantages of modern training, relative competition of their eras, etc. I suppose everyone draws the historical line somewhere (I won’t rate boxers we don’t have film footage of). The main reason I compare fighters from bygone eras is because it’s fun, and there’s no sense in pretending any one of us is the god of all boxing judgment anyway. It’s a highly inexact science no matter what. Why not have some fun?
Oh, and Lewis was too slow for prime Ali.
by Matt Miller on Dec 10, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how you can put Foreman or Charles ahead of Lewis
Based on either record as a heavyweight or skillset (I can see where Charles would be ahead of him P4P, but a lot of his best wins came at LHW). It’s a real stretch to put Johnson ahead of him as well.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Dec 10, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have the slightest problem with Foreman, and I feel the exact opposite as you on that one. He fought much tougher competition and had many, many more fights with historically elite boxers.
I do agree that Charles is a close one and could maybe be talked out of that one. I thought about it a long time. I also thought about adding Liston and Holyfield above Lewis, but I gave Lennox the edge there.
Let’s face it, though, boxing fans seldom agree completely on these kinds of things. If those are the only two we definitely disagree on, that’s actually pretty close.
by Matt Miller on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Post a all time top 10
How about BLH posts a all time top 10 so we can pick the bones out of it? Always good fun.
Mainstream is brought to you ..
Underground you got to go there...
by dinkman on Dec 11, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Number #1 for me.....
I wouldn’t argue that Lennox is one of the P4P best ever, I wouldn’t even put Lennox in the top 10 P4P HEAVIES ever. However, hand-to-hand, Lennox would have beaten every fighter in the heavyweight division, ever, more than they would beat him.
I honestly believe that. He was too big, too strong for the likes of Ali, Frazier, Marciano et al. No doubt Marciano was a better fighter P4P, but how would he get near Lewis when he is giving away about 5 stone in weight and about 8 inches in height? It wouldn’t even be a contest.
Lennox is without a doubt the best heavy in history, in my opinion.
Favourite 5 boxers of all time (in no particular order)-
Ricky Hatton
Lennox Lewis
Marvin Hagler
Marco Antonio Barrera
Prince Naseem Hamed
by Chaos100 on Dec 10, 2008 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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