Shane Mosley and James Toney weigh in on Oscar
Source: LA Times
"Sugar" Shane Mosley, who fights for De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, said he didn't think the 35-year-old's loss reflected a shot fighter."That wasn't age, it was something he did in training," Mosley said. "He could only gain two pounds after the weigh-in. He couldn't get his stuff back. ... He was just weak. There's a difference between being slow and being weak. He was a sitting duck. I think it was more about how he prepared. He knows what went wrong."
I do think there's something to this, though I'm still of the opinion that Oscar should hang it up as there is seriously no fight I can think of that I want to see him in. It's not like I'm dying to see Oscar take on Vernon Forrest, and I don't think anyone but Vernon Forrest would be either. Oscar-Sergio Mora in a battle of L.A.? Please.
Still, I think the weight absolutely did play a serious role. I was concerned about him weighing 145 on the scales, and putting on two pounds overnight? Very odd. You could argue he overtrained. You could argue that he just shouldn't be trying to get himself down to 147 anymore, period. And you can also argue that he really is just shot, can't pull the trigger anymore, and doesn't have it.
Former multi-division world champion James Toney, 40, who is completing preparations for his Saturday heavyweight fight against Fres Oquendo at Morongo Casino in Cabazon, said De La Hoya must come back and fight. Toney, by the way, has been in more than 80 pro fights."Oscar's a good fighter, but he's fought too many times to be fighting a guy like Manny Pacquiao," Toney said. "Ending it like he did, sitting on the stool, he better come back and redeem himself. He looked like a little sissy. I've been beat up. I never quit.
"The Mexican fans who haven't liked him should love him now because he did what their favorite Roberto Duran did 26 years ago: 'No mas.' Oscar can't do that, or he's going to go down as a quitter."
I know Duran's father was Mexican, but he was born in Panama, his mother is Panamanian, and he fought out of Panama his entire career. Duran did fight once in Mexico, in 1971.
It was also 28 years ago that the famous "No mas" fight happened. So this is James Toney talking out of his you know what and where. I hope he passes his post-fight drug test this time.
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Technically Toney just said that Duran was a favorite of Mexican fans, not a Mexican himself.
Actually, I think they both Toney and Mosley are half right: Oscar’s weight and preparation seem suspect, and he did look like a sissy when he quit. I’m not saying that I believe he really is one in the big picture—definitely not—but that’s how it came off. I just thought of all the fake tough guy shit in the run up to the fight. But I don’t really want to see him fight again, and I hope he hangs it up. I’m with you on that one Scott.
I know Toney didn't say he was Mexican
But I’ll bet my soul that Toney said what he said thinking Duran was Mexican. Just the way it came off to me. Mexican fans liked Duran, I’m sure, but he’s not Mexican, he never fought in Mexico, and bringing up Duran as “their favorite” was odd. Especially since Oscar has never been their favorite. It was clunky shit-talking at best.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by Scott Christ on Dec 10, 2008 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
Enough with the quitter bullshit. He shouldn’t have had to quit. His trainer should have thrown in the towel. Or the ref should have stopped it. Or the doctor. The only reason he did it was because nobody else was going to (even though they said they were going to), and he would have just gotten beaten even worse. His eye was damn near shut and he was target practice. He did the ref, doctor, and trainers job when he shouldn’t have had to. Now he has to deal with this bullshit because nobody else was willing to do their damn job.
I’m sick of fans who want to see fighters get hurt in the ring. Yeah it’s great to see a guy with some major heart, but when he’s getting his ass whooped, it’s just plain STUPID. It’s easy for fans to tease and point fingers and name call when they aren’t the one in the ring getting beaten to a pulp. It’s one thing when you are still in the fight, but when you aren’t, you need to look after your health and well being. Or else you’re going to end up like Ali, Roach, or Meldrick Taylor. Is that worth it so you can show you have “heart”?
by erod on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
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I want to quote you and make it nice bold text, because otherwise I’d just have to be like, “Tell it, brother.”
I’m sick of fans who want to see fighters get hurt in the ring. Yeah it’s great to see a guy with some major heart, but when he’s getting his ass whooped, it’s just plain STUPID. It’s easy for fans to tease and point fingers and name call when they aren’t the one in the ring getting beaten to a pulp. It’s one thing when you are still in the fight, but when you aren’t, you need to look after your health and well being. Or else you’re going to end up like Ali, Roach, or Meldrick Taylor. Is that worth it so you can show you have "heart"?
This is why I very rarely — VERY rarely — complain about “early stoppages” by referees. I’m more apt to get upset when they aren’t stopping a beating. I love a tough, gritty fighter as much as anyone, but enough guys get hurt as it is, and that’s with referees, trainers, and fighters themselves taking more precaution than before and with safety having become a big equiptment concern in the modern era.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by Scott Christ on Dec 10, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Get a load of this guys
Sergio Median was thratened to throw down in the first round against Lopez on Saturday or else—murder. As if his lost cold not be any worst he had to go ahead and add this shit. The funny thing is he stated this in his home country.
Source: http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia/boxeo/deportes/perdi_porque_me_amenazaron_de_muerte/502691
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless

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