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Ranking the Heavyweights: June 14, 2008

Capt 1. Wladimir Klitschko (51-3, 45 KO, WBO/IBF Titleholder)

Klitschko's cautious performance against Tony Thompson on Saturday exhibited why there are still a lot of folks that have not, cannot, and likely will not ever warm to the big Ukrainian, who is undoubtedly the best heavyweight in the world right now, and has the skills of an all-time great, but just doesn't...it's a long story.

You know what it is with Klitschko? And I'm hardly the first person to talk about this, but it was in my mind during the Thompson fight. He refuses to be as dominant and entertaining as he could be -- as he should be, really.

Let's look at Klitschko's last five fights:

1. Calvin Brock (TKO-7, 2006-11-11)

American challenger Brock's true power and true skills were a rather unknown quantity still, so Wladimir came out and felt Brock out. Only when he was rather badly cut did Wladimir turn up the heat. You know what happened as soon as he did? Brock -- a good fighter -- was sorely outclassed, and hit the canvas with a thud and a bounce. Out. Done. Goodnight.

2. Ray Austin (TKO-2, 2007-03-10)

Everyone and their mother knew that Ray Austin had about as much of a chance at beating Klitschko as Peter McBride did beating Tyson, but Wladimir still came out pawing and slapping and feeling his way through things. All that really happened was Austin was so unqualified a challenger that Klitschko finished him with a sequence of left hooks in the second round, simply because Austin was such a can that he couldn't stand up to them, defend against them, or anything else.

3. Lamon Brewster (RTD-6, 2007-07-07)

7-7-7 was not Brewster's lucky day in the rematch, but again the faults are there. Brewster was obviously there to collect his paycheck, hopefully not get hurt, and go home. Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab. Wladimir jabbed an uninterested Brewster into submission after six rounds.

4. Sultan Ibragimov (UD-12, 2008-02-23)

This fight has been crapped on more times than you can count. It is a clear frontrunner for Worst Fight of the Year, although that's giving it a gift and calling it a fight. How two heavyweights can cause so little damage and refuse to fight this heartily is astounding. Even Manny Steward was incensed by this travesty, thrust upon the public and billed as an important unification bout. Ibragimov turtled like Claude Lemieux, and Klitschko was no Darren McCarty out there.

5. Tony Thompson (KO-11, 2008-07-12)

Similar to the Brock fight, except Wlad didn't turn it on and start firing on a cut, he waited until he felt Thompson was completely out of gas and on bad legs. Smart? Absolutely. Thompson is awkward and proved tough. But you get the feeling that had he felt like really opening up, he could've won whenever he wanted to. And that's where Klitschko will always fail with much of the casual fan audience and the general public. He doesn't overwhelm, and gives the impression that he can. Is it a fear of his own bad chin? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he wants to win more than make fans.

If that's the case, you can't fault him. Well, you can and I am, but it's selfish.

2. Samuel Peter (30-1, 23 KO, WBC Titleholder)

He'll talk forever, and I hope he knocks Vitali Klitschko out (this is assuming they fight), but if he fights Wladimir again, I just get the impression that it will be more decided for Wlad this time around. Peter is still loopy with his punches and rough around the edges. That will never change, and while he'll certainly have a KO chance against Wlad or anyone else on the planet, a lack of fundamental skill seems like it will be his downfall against those patient enough. Also, if Jameel McCline can floor him three times, Klitschko can knock him out.

3. Ruslan Chagaev (24-0-1, 17 KO, WBA Titleholder)

A good fighter whose wins over Valuev and Ruiz were disputed by some. He's shown a strong chin and a nice set of offensive skills, but he's slow-footed and will never dominate. He's also injured all the time.

4. Nikolai Valuev (48-1, 34 KO)
5. John Ruiz (43-7-1, 29 KO)

Most interim title fights are stupid, to put it nicely. But Valuev-Ruiz II for the WBA interim title is deserved on both sides and has been made necessary by Ruiz's umpteenth injury, and second while preparing to rematch Valuev.

Valuev seemed like a guy that would disappear as soon as his "0" was gone, but he hasn't, and he deserves credit for that. Despite his freakishness, he doesn't rely on his size. I mean, yeah, he does, but he works hard to improve his talent. He'll never be more than he is, but he's made real strides over his career.

John Ruiz is no one's favorite, but the guy deserves credit. He's tougher than all get out, backs down from no challenge, and has had to win fights to get fights. No one's handing this guy big ones anymore.

6. Alexander Dimitrenko (28-0, 18 KO)

Might be the most ignored heavyweight in the world. He's 26, he's got some pretty good wins, and yet almost no noise is made on his behalf by anyone.

7. Juan Carlos Gomez (43-1, 35 KO)

The 34-year old Gomez is, of course, a former outstanding cruiserweight, and you could do a whole lot worse for a title challenger, no matter the title. His only loss came via first round TKO against fellow Cuban defector Yanqui Diaz.

8. Alexander Povetkin (15-0, 11 KO)

"He fights like an amateur" is the big knock on Povetkin, and if he goes ahead with plans to take on Wladimir Klitschko (exercising his IBF mandatory), he'll get creamed. Povetkin should keep that in his pocket and wait for the proper time, 'cause the proper time ain't now. Even though he's 28, he still has a lot to learn as a pro.

9. Eddie Chambers (31-1, 17 KO)

It's not the most popular opinion, but Chambers should have beaten Povetkin. With his self-admiration after punches, Chambers eventually stopped fighting just enough to go ahead and give Povetkin many rounds, and eventually, the fight itself. Chambers' speed bothered Povetkin early, and then he just took the fight off. It was a strange performance accented by Buddy McGirt yelling at him. He returned by destroying Raphael Butler in June.

10. Tony Thompson (31-2, 19 KO)

A long, rangy, awkward fighter that will trouble just about anybody. He made a fine accounting for himself against Klitschko, and it's hard not to wonder what Thompson might look like as a fighter if he'd started in his youth, as most pros did, instead of his mid-20s.

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I agree in how many fans (casual or otherwise) would have a problem with his style. I felt myself getting a little annoyed at times, although I consider myself a Klitschko fan. It seemed like he’d get a couple big punches in and then when he got in close it looked so awkward and it seemed like he couldn’t throw shorter punches to the head inside. Maybe I’m missing something but that seemed kind of odd at times. Is it because Thompson is a southpaw or was he hitting stuff I wasn’t making out?

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by Fooch on Jul 14, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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You know, I’m not the biggest Wlad fan either. But sometimes, I wonder if his critics doth protest too much. Maybe its just me, but sometimes he seems to get criticized more than any heavyweight since Holmes for doing things that are “correct” and “smart.”

In the middle rounds, I noticed Wlad trying to sneak a long lefft hook around the outside of Tony’s high guard. When he saw it wasn’t working, he went back to circling towards Tony’s weak hand (ironically, for a southpaw, the left) and firing the right. This was both the smart and correct thing to do. I even noticed some points where Lampley and Lennox were criticizing Wlad for not doing good bodywork when, at the same time, the video feed was showing him digging well to the body with meaningful hooks. It was almost absurd. After dominating almost every round and taking more punches than any other fight, Wlad went out in the eleventh round and decided to end things. The right hand he gave Tony’s chin was a beauty – when a fighter falls forward after one of those, holding his forehead, you KNOW that he took it on the chin and that it rung his bell.

Again, I’m not a big fan of the current crop of heavyweights, but I’m not sure what some guys want to see. A 90% KO ratio in 51 fights is nothing to sniff at. It’s sort of a statement: “Yes, this is a weak era, but it has an ATG in it who is dominating the way he should be.” That statement would work for Holmes, too.

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Jul 14, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thompson

I don’t know… Marciano turned pro late as well. Sometimes you just have “it” and sometimes you don’t. Tony by no means embarassed himself. I gave him three rounds and had two more on the edge. BUT, I’m finding it hard to make a case for him except as a tricky busy fight. He has a pretty good awkward defense, and length and a little power in that front hand, but its just not enough to close a lot of deals at the top level. I can see him fighting Wlad ten times and having ten losses, but I can also see him fighting McCline ten times and having 7.

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Jul 14, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scott, did John Ruiz pay you for that spot?

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by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jul 15, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just think he’d probably beat everyone else. It’s a shitty division.

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by SC on Jul 15, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All jokes aside it really is...

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by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jul 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haye

With the division being weak, what chances do people think David Haye has when he eventually makes the step up?

Also, he seems keen on Klitschko, but would he be better served finding his feet in the division with a lesser opponent first?

by Orange & Blue Badger on Jul 15, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I can say

is Qaqi vs. Foreman. Haye is a very good cruz, but he has never swallowed a top, pro heavyweight punch.

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Jul 15, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think the rumored fight with Maskaev is dangerous

There are plenty of smaller Heavyweights he could’ve picked first, Ibraghimov for one.

Though maybe he thinks it’s a better strategy to get someone who will stand there for him.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Haye and I’m really rooting for him, but I’m not 100% sold on him becoming a great heavyweight. I would say I’m about 85% sold on it, though, and I guess I’ll say why.

1. He’s athletic—he can move around the ring. A lot of the “fat boy” talk he has thrown at the HW division is sort of undeserved, but the fact is there are few in the division that are going to be able to keep pace with Haye. I’d love to see him fight Eddie Chambers (a focused Eddie Chambers) because I think that could be a barnburner. Eddie has a very pleasing style in him, but he gets too cautious because he’s not a big puncher. Anyway, Haye’s natural physical abilities are a plus.

2. He can punch—his punch is bigger than a “cruiserweight punch.” He’s a bigger puncher than everyone in my top ten except for Klitschko (who often doesn’t unleash his punch) and Peter (whose loopiness takes some of his power away a lot of the time).

3. He’s got balls—this is a big deal. I don’t think we’ll see David Haye come out and play slap-the-jab with these guys. He’s going to fight. Might get him knocked him out eventually.

He’s going to make money.

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by SC on Jul 16, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's certainly got box office appeal

I agree he’ll make a lot of money, he certainly talks the talk and gives vfm for promoters and he’ll be entertaining at the very minimum

The acid test will be when he faces one of the bigger guys, I guess then we’ll see if he can take the punches. I agree with Scott that he’s going to go in and fight and aim for the ko, I just hope he doesn’t burn himself out in doing so and leave his opponent an easy pick off in later rounds. Hopefully he is too smart for that to happen

by Orange & Blue Badger on Jul 17, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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