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Pacquiao wants to close deal or move on

Manny-pacquiao24_crop_medium Source: Manila Standard Today

Latest word out of the Pacquiao camp is that the Filipino superstar wants a deal done with Oscar de la Hoya very soon, or that he'll go ahead and schedule a November title defense against Humberto Soto instead.

Money appears to be the real stickler in the negotiations, as Pacquiao wants a 40-60 split and de la Hoya wants a 70-30 advantage instead. 70-30 does seem very wide, all things considered; things like Oscar having every advantage going into the fight, like the huge size difference.

At first, I was someone that thought this fight was a fun idea. I still do think it's fun, I'm just starting to lean toward not believing it can be very competitive. My mind has gradually changed over and over regarding the matchup, but it's always changing in the same direction. Pacquiao is too small. The fight is nearing a farce.

I won't go as far as Jose Sulaiman and call it a "fraud," but I'm not too far away with it, either. I don't think Oscar has the power, I don't think Oscar has the speed, but I do have to admit that the more I've thought about the matchup, I can't see what Manny is going to do. He could win a few rounds and he might not get knocked out, but he's not going to hurt Oscar. And Manny has never been hit by someone with Oscar's weight.

The only hope I could see for Manny is Oscar being totally drained by getting down to 147 pounds for the fight. And what kind of great story is that? "Old man cuts too much weight, loses" is not the headline many would want to see the next day.

The only thing I like from Manny's side is that he'd be getting a huge payday, and he's exactly the type of fighter that deserves it. He'd make so much more to fight Oscar than he would Humberto Soto that I can't advocate just fighting Soto instead; it is a nice fallback, though.

Also, Manny's proposal that he be allowed to wear eight ounce gloves while de la Hoya wears ten ounce gloves was denied by Nevada, and rightfully so. That is a dumb idea that makes the fight even more of a gimmick. The NSAC says they'll wear ten ounce gloves unless both agree to wear eight ounce gloves.

I'm getting bored with all of this Oscar de la Hoya farewell stuff. If Pacquiao falls through, I just don't expect we're going to see Oscar fight in December after all. Mayweather's retired, Hatton's busy, Trinidad won't come down in weight, Mora's fighting on September 13, Cotto just lost, he wants nothing to do with Margarito, Williams isn't popular enough. He's out of options. It might be Pacquiao or bust for December 6.

In case you've never seen a photo of Oscar and Manny standing together, here's the size difference we're talking about:

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It's pretty big, considering they're going to fight and not race remote control cars or something. I sadly could not find a photo with the two of them and a briefcase.

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60-40

Don’t see anything wrong with 60-40. But I don’t even want to see this fight happen at all. I’ve been saying the size difference would be an issue here. I don’t care what Freddie Roach says.

DLH should just man up and fight Margarito.

by erod on Aug 11, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Either Or

Whether it’s Soto or DLH it will still be a tremendous match up. The only thing is like it was mentioned, he is not as big a star. I don’t see Pacman knocking him out, more like a UD with DLH. But then there is the thought that the catch weight is a major difference. Specially for someone whom has been in the division, like DLH, for so many years.

But by the way that they are standing with their fingers spread as so a little photoshop work could backup that briefcase situation…

"I'm sure he'll be watching. I'm sure he wants to see who will win the fight and how real fighters fight." -Antonio Margarito on Mayweather

by CRAZEDANG1280 on Aug 11, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Manny-Soto

I can’t see it going past six or seven rounds. They both make themselves too vulnerable. Soto got rocked by Bobby Pacquiao, so I have to think Manny would finish him off in what would likely be an excellent scrap.

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by Scott Christ on Aug 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manny/Oscar

I totally agree with the article. The weight difference is too big for this fight to be taken seriously. So he wants the weight in his favor, the money in his favor, it will be fought in his {size of} ring, in his choice of venue, on his preferred date, in front of a predominately Oscar oriented crowd.

Remember the scene from “White men can’t Jump”, where Billy is told to make a shot from one end of the court to the other, and is then told it has to be a hook shot, to varied levels of hilarity. His response, “Am I allowed to use my right arm? Do I have to get on my knees?” (I paraphrase) is what this fight keeps reminding me of. At some point I can imagine Manny looking Oscar in the eye and saying to him, “Am I actually allowed to hit you in this fight, or am I just supposed to be a bystander in the soap opera that is the last stand of the great Oscar De La Hoya?”

I don’t want to see this fight happen. I’d rather see Manny make a couple of solid defences at light-weight (which is still the heaviest weight he has ever fought at, not that Oscar cares about the 12 pound difference, cos hey, this is business…..) and then see if he feels like fighting a light welter like (maybe) Hatton, Kendall Holt, or even Ricardo Torres, whom I still rate very highly despite his last fight.

I don’t think Manny would necessarily get trashed against Oscar, but I do believe wholeheartedly that he would lose. He is the best pound for pounder in the world in my eyes, by some margin (and I only believe that the margin would be lessened, rather than his lead usurped, by Floyd Mayweather putting on his gloves again), and I think he needs to realise that legacies are about more than money. He has fought and beaten great fighters, he has much left to do if he wants to do it, but this fight is a pantomime and Manny should steer clear unless the money now means more to him than I had previously suspected.

If that is the case, then he has more than earned it, but if he looks at the way in which Oscar’s cash craving has cost him the respect of a lot of people in the latest part of his career, he may yet decide that the career path is a more worthwhile legacy to have than milking the cash cow for all it is worth at every possible opportunity.

by Chaos100 on Aug 11, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Manny has never been hit by someone with Oscar's weight.

Manny sparred with Cotto on preparation for first Marquez fight. Manny was feather and Cotto was 135. Two weight division difference..
I believe Manny can handle ODLH with an eight ounce glove at 147.

by SANTERMO on Aug 12, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Oscar finally realized he has nothing to gain in this fight, and everything to lose. Rather than risking virtually losing his legacy he is now pricing himself out of the fight.

by blackpage on Aug 12, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Holmes vs. Spinks

If you can remember back about 23 years, you can build up a little man/big man very well. In a sense, like the commenter said above, Oscar has a ton to lose, but if this is his retirement bout, maybe that sting is a bit less. But this is the biggest money fight he probably has left on the table unless Money May decides he wants to make that one last big money fight. Because without Oscar, Mayweather is not getting another one. At least one of this magnitude.

For Manny, he has everything to gain. He becomes a huge draw if stands and trades with De La Hoya, even if he loses in a valiant effort. And it’s probably the biggest money fight of his career.

But looking at that last photo, the size difference is pretty big. Not sure how I feel about that just yet.

by roheblius on Aug 12, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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