Further thoughts on Oscar -OR- Why it's hard to like the guy sometimes
I'm sorry. I know Oscar de la Hoya has a lot of fans. And while I respect him as a fighter and as a businessman, as the years roll on and he keeps talking, I'm having trouble counting myself as one of them anymore.
What is it about Oscar that has so bugged me over the years? It's his fakeness. His fake smile. His fake words. His absolute need to be accepted by everyone that feeds said strange behavior.
If you know anything about Oscar's personal life, you know he's not the "Golden Boy" that his image-makers strived to paint him as over the years. And while dragging his name in the mud over exes, children and other personal things isn't at all my style, I'm aware that that's the guy he is out of the spotlight. He owns up to much of it, and is a man about it these days. Hey, we all make mistakes.
But, still...
There is something about Oscar that has never stopped haunting him. You can see it in his eyes when he speaks. You can hear it in his words if you listen closely enough. Any professional fighter is a brave human being. It takes balls to get in that ring. Hell, it takes balls to train to get in that ring.
But he's always been scared. Scared that he won't be loved by everyone. He's never gotten over the fact that the Mexican fanbase has never fully embraced him. He still strives for that. He tried to win their love and respect by fighting Julio Cesar Chavez, and all that did was make it worse for a great number of Mexican fight fans. To them, Chavez was a "real" Mexican fighter, born and bred in their country, and never moving from it.
Oscar, though, was nearly a gringo. A pretty boy that drove the teenage girls wild. An American of Mexican heritage -- but not quite a Mexican.
This has eaten at him for a long, long time. Listen to him talk about it. Even now, he claims that part of the reason he's fighting Manny Pacquiao is to avenge Mexican fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales (among others) who have been conquered by the Filipino superstar.
The 46-year old Chavez, twice thrashed by the younger, stronger de la Hoya, doesn't think he'll ever get their respect.
"(Oscar) believes that the Mexicans are going to want this (fight with Pacquiao). To the contrary, they will (root for) Pacquiao," he said recently. He also offered to put up $5 million if Oscar would fight his son, believing that Oscar would be knocked out. I think that's a story for another day (and a crazy one, plus I have my doubts that Julio has $5 million), but it speaks to something.
Not only do the Mexican fight fans still largely either dislike Oscar or at best have lukewarm feelings about him, but Chavez to this day refuses to give Oscar any credit.
The fight is a fraud, he says. We've heard that before. And I believe that all personal feelings about the fight aside, if Oscar is doing this to get Mexican fans to cheer him on, he's barking up the wrong tree.
He's 35 years old. If they haven't taken to him yet, they're not going to. And potentially beating a man that has never been anything but respectful of the Mexican fighters with whom he's done battle isn't going to be what does the trick.
I've talked before about Oscar's need to declare every fight "personal," and some of you have said, "Well, that sells fights." Indeed it does, but let's go past business logic and really think about it, because I understand that it sells fights. It's the way he delivers his lines -- and that's what they are. They're lines. They're scripted little promos not unlike that which you'd find in professional wrestling, except delivered by someone who can't act.
He'll put on his mean mug. He'll punch a bag. "You wanna make this personal?" Punch again. "OK..." Continue with mean mug. Make sure there's some sweat above the brow.
He's corny. And he's hard to believe in.
Maybe that's why so many people have never liked Oscar, and now I'm not just talking about the Mexican fight fans. He has long received various degrees of backlash in the boxing community. Some of it is unavoidable. Hey, he's a good-looking guy. Girls are going to like him. This, for some reason, angers the less self-assured in the fan population. Some of it, though, might just be that he really is hard to believe in as a fighter.
Barrera, Chavez, Morales, the Marquez boys, Vazquez, Pacquiao, Gatti, Ward, even B-Hop. Those are guys that never really "sold" a fight. Sure, Bernard would talk his jive and get a little stupid, but that just seemed like it was him. You ever heard Bernard sound scripted? You cared about their fights because you cared about them. They were real people. They were genuine.
Oscar de la Hoya has never had that. He came into professional boxing an Olympic hero in America, all fanfare and glitz and glamour. And man, could he fight. His left hook was lethal. He had speed, he had ring awareness that went way beyond his years, he had power, he had a solid defense, he had a good chin. He was tough, boy, whether he looked like it or not. And he could knock your f'n block off, to boot.
But he's always seemed scared. Not of any fighter, but of what might happen if he fails or even if he succeeds the wrong way. What would people think? Would they like him? Would they cheer him?
Even when he's at his most innocent, he can come off as a phony. Example?
Oscar recently said, "As a promoter, we are going to open doors to young Mexicans who strive to be world champions, like Juan Manuel Marquez."
Marquez is 35, Oscar. It's enough to make you wonder if he even knows that.
I kind of hate that I genuinely just don't like Oscar. Why shouldn't I? He's done so much for boxing. He carried it for years, right on his back. Golden Boy Promotions has done some great things for the sport, too, even though they're lacking in key areas (developing young fighters, for one thing). I want to like him.
I guess I just have to bite the bullet and raise my hand along with the detractors. I believe he's a Hall of Famer. I believe he's done wonders for the world of boxing. But that's about as far as I go.
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Good post
Has there ever been a Mexican-American fighter who has been fully embraced by the Mexican community? I don’t mean someone who moved to the US after starting out in Mexico, but a second or third generation Mexican-American. I really can’t think of any. I suspect it’s that someone who’s second generation isn’t raised with the same kind of warrior mentality (although Juan Diaz has done a good job of displaying such a mentality in his young career).
BTW, I can’t fathom JCC Jr. beating Oscar, even this faded version of Oscar. Maybe he has a puncher’s chance if the fight is at middleweight, but I have to think he’d just make Junior look silly. Junior’s just not very good.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 29, 2008 10:48 AM EDT 0 recs
yeah I think even this aged Oscar would chew JCC Jr. up
Either Oscar would drop him at some point (come on, Matt Vanda rocked him around) or he’d just whip him over 12 rounds.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Aug 29, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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Nice One
I agree with Brickhaus. This is a really thoughtful post Scott, one of the few honest assessments of DLH that I’ve seen. Most are either haters, devotees, or media-types kissing ass. This is one of the best takes on DLH I’ve seen.
I agree about 90. The "10" would have something to do with me wanting more mention of Oscar’s performance against Mayweather, which I still think goes a long ways toward salvaging Oscar’s recent reputation as a boxer.
by Matt Miller on Aug 29, 2008 2:13 PM EDT 0 recs
nice piece…Oscar has always been annoying but he is a damn good fighter
-Brian
by bp on Aug 29, 2008 7:27 PM EDT 0 recs
Can Oscar please stop saying he's Mexican?
He fought for team USA!
That’s all anyone needs to know
by Option27 on Aug 30, 2008 3:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Please repeat with gritted teeth; "Pac has beaten everyone he has faced. Well, that stops with me...."
This whole Oscar/Pac debacle has led me to a conclusion I feel wasn’t far off anyway.
I simply do not like Oscar De La Hoya. I do not respect Oscar De La Hoya any more, and I don’t think I will bother with any of his fights from here on in. I’ll boycott him like I boycotted B-Hop before the Calzaghe fight.
In certain cases, it’s only so long before who a fighter is starts to overshadow how good the fighter is. Aesthetic over substance, if you will.
When this point has been reached, you have to decide if you like that person, as that is the most prominent part of what you see. With other fighters such as Lennox Lewis, it was always about how good he was. Same with Roy Jones (who was so good that even his massive personality was overshadowed by his talent), Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Antonio Margarito, Marco Antonio Barrera, Larry Holmes, I could go on for ages. These were all boxers who relied on being good IN the ring.
Oscar has let what goes on outside the ring dictate his decisions far too much in recent times. With a Tyson, an Ali, a Prince Naseem, a Ricky Hatton, it seemed that being a massive personality outside of the ring was more of an included bonus, it added something to the overall package. The stuff outside of what they did when they laced up didn’t detract from them as fighters, it made them more appealing to watch.
With Oscar, it doesn’t. Plain and simple. With Oscar you feel that he really doesn’t care about how good he is in the ring any more. his prime concern is just getting in, getting out without a scratch, and banking as much money as possible. All well and good, as these are most fighters’ intentions, but they don’t allow those intentions to completely dictate choice of opponent.
So in this case, now that the Oscar we are seeing is simply a money grabbing, cowardly, publicity seeking, deceitful (and yes, with regard to some of his “Pac: It’s personal” crap, I do feel that is the right word), conceited, self-absorbed sponge, I have decided I don’t like the guy. And since, unlike previous ‘bad’ characters such as Tyson, I have no respect for waht the guy does in the ring either, I feel this is the point to metaphorically walk away from him. (Actually, that point was just before the Forbes fight, but, then again, isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing…..)
Enjoy your limelight, Oscar. You deserved it, once.
by Chaos100 on Sep 1, 2008 8:13 AM EDT 0 recs












