Golden Boy-Affliction partnership could lead to mixed cards and results
The partnership between Golden Boy Promotions and mixed martial arts promoters Affliction has turned more than a few heads, including those at HBO. With the companies planning to put on "at least four" events featuring both boxing and MMA in 2009, I'm getting conflicted feelings about the whole deal.
As a boxing junkie and an MMA fan, too, I can't help but shake the feeling that this is happening because Golden Boy sees a chance to take advantage of the MMA affiliation to promote its boxing. There is nothing wrong with that, but I just don't think Oscar de la Hoya and Richard Schaefer see more than dollar signs. They certainly don't have the passion for MMA that UFC boss Dana White does, and "passion" is a very big deal to the sport's fans. If they smell anything they think is phony, they're going to call you on it. And Oscar's phony baloney demeanor will definitely set off B.S. detectors with fans as passionate and diehard as MMA's patrons tend to be.
Now, like I said, there's nothing wrong with Golden Boy doing something like this to promote their boxers, while Affliction promotes their MMA to a portion of an audience that might never have cared. But as much as I think there should be no feud between the two sports, which I see more as brothers in arms, truly mixing the two also doesn't exactly feel right.
Let me be very frank here: a lot of mixed martial arts fans don't like boxing because they find the sport boring. Hey, that's their right. There's certainly a lot more that can happen in an MMA fight than there is in a boxing ring, so for those looking for more dynamic action, MMA is an obvious choice. Boxing is but a portion of the sport.
If you put fights of both sports on the same card, how do you do it? Do you go back-and-forth? Do you do a boxing show and then put up a cage for an MMA show, or vice versa [ed. note (ed. is me!): I stupidly forgot that Affliction is using a ring]? The fact is that outside of the infamous Shamrock-Severn II (which happened 13 years ago) and scattered other bouts, "boring" MMA fights soundly trump "boring" boxing matches, because there's generally something going on, and because the fights are shorter. I realize this is hardly a scientific way of analyzing the differences of the sports, but I think you get what I mean. All I'm saying is that if Golden Boy puts crap fights on a mixed card, the fights and the sport of boxing itself will look terrible.
The thing that most worries me is that despite this being a somewhat novel idea --especially considering the size of Golden Boy and the potential of Affliction should it continue to get help the way it has so far -- I can feel it being terrible already. Something doesn't seem genuine about the whole partnership. Affliction is reaching out because they're not going to survive long trying to pay world-class fighters (and bands like Megadeth) without any dedicated fanbase that is sold on their product and believes in what they do. People are interested, but they're not Affliction fans, if that makes sense. Golden Boy is offering a hand for that reaching out because they're in a position to do so...and maybe milk some money out of the whole thing.
Thing is, should this bomb, Golden Boy will be around in 2010. Affliction may well not be.
Dan Rafael reported the other day that when Affliction's October 11 show was cancelled, Golden Boy and Affliction tried to get the scheduled main event between heavyweights Andrei Arlovski and Josh Barnett onto the October 18 pay-per-view main evented by Kelly Pavlik and Bernard Hopkins, both men who have official Affliction-brand t-shirts of their own. According to Rafael, HBO and co-promoter Top Rank turned them down.
That decision, while interesting, gives me some feeling of validation for thinking Golden Boy won't know quite how to do this right. Putting Arlovski-Barnett on a card is one thing, because it's a big fight between well-known fighters. But to have them share a pay-per-view card with Bernard Hopkins? How many MMA fans that pulled out some cash to see their fight and give boxing a shot (perhaps yet another shot) would come out of that one feeling disappointed and 50 dollars lighter if Hopkins fights like Hopkins?
It's all worth a shot, I suppose, and could benefit both companies and both sports if handled perfectly. But anything less than perfect will probably snowball into downright bad territory, and then nobody wins.
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I think the hardcore base totally knows and respects Boxing. The whole “boxing is boring” stuff is parroted more by the new fans who haven’t been following MMA that long and hang on White’s every word. I’m not really worried about them other then the fact that they’re the primary consumer of Affliction attire.
And MMA can be fought in a ring in the US. That’s going to be interesting since Affliction has a much larger ring then a standard boxing ring. I’d be interested in which ring they’ll be using for their first card.
by RoyalB on Sep 15, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Affliction was using a ring. Do you know what size it was? I know it’s big, but could Affliction get by with, say, a 20-foot ring? Marquez and Casamayor used one on Saturday and it looked huge for those two, but they also pretty much stayed in the center of it.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Sep 15, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was 35 feet. Don’t quote me. It was mostly built to lessen the opportunity of the fight flying through the ropes. I think the Japanese leagues use the 20 ft rings, so fighting in one would be no problem.
by RoyalB on Sep 15, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against it
I don’t dislike MMA, and I have seen some matches that thrilled me, but I am against this idea. I’m trying to imagine a boxing get-together where this happened. My friends would be turned off. They are less tolerant of MMA than I am. They appreciate the history of boxing and feel like it is a more skillful and subtle sport (I am not trying to make this argument personally).
Slapping some MMA onto it would be like inviting Slayer to play at a Bob Dylan concert. Or something like that.
Also, the announcing situation: will we get boxing announcers at an MMA event. Vice versa? Or will they cycle in MMA announcers for the MMA event only and boxing commentators for the boxing event only. The idea of MMA announcers covering boxing sends chills down my spine. I hate the whole “ra ra,” “every MMA fight is exciting no matter what” attitude that MMA announcers often have. Too often, they seem to be yelling at me.
In short, MMA announcers usually sound like they are addressing people in their late teens. Boxing announcers—more cynical, blunt, and historically informed—usually credit their audience with more sophistication and maturity. Note I said “usually.”
by Matt Miller on Sep 15, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
commentators
I think you have to rotate. Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant and their distaste for MMA (and I’ll bet Manny Steward is part of that, too) would be awful to listen to. They don’t know the sport or understand the finer points and I don’t want to hear them call that action. At the same time I wouldn’t want to listen to MMA commentators call boxing in most cases, either.
Who knows? I really think this whole thing stinks, and it’s nothing to do with not liking either sport.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Sep 15, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max Kellerman is a bit knowledgeable in both. Pair him up with Paul Lazenby and have them split areas of expertise (Kellerman with striking and Lazenby with grappling) and I think they can survive.
Gus from CBS would also be a good choice.
by RoyalB on Sep 15, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually wondering what the fighters think about sharing a card with other fighters. How does the gate get split? Boxing for the most part is sold by the main event fighters, in MMA the entire card is basically the selling point. How long are the PPV going to be? Boxing usually has 3 12 rounders and a prospect. Who gets the short end of the stick and loses their spot on a PPV for a MMA fight? There are alot of problems that I that can come up.
by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly would you pay a PPV if you only saw 2 boxing fights and 3 MMA fights? Time is limited. Who gets the coveted main event?
by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
I think it almost HAS to be a boxing show featuring MMA and not the other way around. I don’t want to imagine a live arena filled with predominantly MMA fans seeing some hack ass fight like Garcia-Perez from the other night, and how they’d react to it.
OK, actually I wouldn’t mind. But still, it seems hard to me (on the surface) to ask MMA fans to sit through boxing before their main event than the other way around. Or maybe it’s not. This is an interesting thing to consider.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Sep 15, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just go by level of importance.
Title > Contention > Advancement > Exhibition
If Boxing’s got a high profile title fight and MMA has a high profile title fight, then go by weight class. Otherwise, flip a coin.
As to how to make the PPV work, just show the fights. Tape an hour or two before the main card and show the most exciting fights of the bunch. I’m one to hope that all fights don’t always go their alloted times. Just remember that you got to really make the match ups exciting. If your commentators say that so and so is a top fighter in the division, they better be able to show it. Now, I’m not saying to go out and brawl. Go out and try to put on a good fight win lose or draw.
by RoyalB on Sep 15, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think HBO is going to have any part of MMA. I don’t think they will even distribute it. You can forget about getting ads on their programming. Forget 24/7. Forget countdown shows. Forget any mention of it on their website. GBP would have to make ads on cable. Shit it is a big problem trying to place ads without HBO’s backing.
by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HBO, honestly need to grow up. The way they’ve treated MMA has gone into bullshido territory and it’s starting to make them look real immature.
by RoyalB on Sep 15, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely agreed
HBO’s eye covering and shouting method of trying to pretend MMA doesn’t exist/isn’t viable has gone way too long.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Sep 15, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ross Greenburg’s thinking that it will dilute what HBO is about, and that has always been boxing. I know that HBO loves Oscar but there are some lines that they will not cross in order to distinguish themselves from Showtime.
by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ross Greenburg’s thinking is that MMA is somehow anti-boxing. Maybe if 95% of the boxing cards that the general public would want to see didn’t cost $50 more people would watch. I really hate HBO’s decidedly biased stance against MMA.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Sep 15, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it is as simple as that. I think there are alot of variables that add to what HBO is thinking. I don’t think they want to follow Showtimes lead.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2315&zoneid=13
They were interested in having the UFC on HBO but that was before Showtime snatched up EliteXC.
Showtime and EliteXC has not exactly set the world on fire so I would think that they are now even more reluctant to having MMA on HBO.
by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was way back when the former president of HBO was pushing hard for MMA. Greenburg didn’t want any part of it, but he had to follow orders.
Now if we’re talking about doing the same kind of format SHO has done with MMA, I’m with Greenburg. Shaw has been screwing 6 organizations by treating MMA like Sports Entertainment. A model that shouldn’t be followed.
But let get facts straight. When it comes to MMA, Greenburg turns into a bullshido artist throwing a temper tantrum every time he’s being told by real martial artists that the black belt he earned when he was 8 isn’t really worth anything.
by RoyalB on Sep 15, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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