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David Haye: Wladimir Klitschko's nightmare?

David_haye_682x400_449790a_mediumWith WBC heavyweight titleholder Vitali Klitschko forced to accept the mandatory challenge from former cruiserweight standout Juan Carlos Gomez, talks of Vitali facing ex-cruiserweight champion David Haye in mid-2009 hit the backburner.

But that doesn't mean that Haye has stopped demanding a Klitschko get in the ring and accept his big-talking challenge. With Vitali-Haye shelved, the London call has now gone back to Vitali's little brother, Wladimir.

I have been fairly quiet since Haye has started confronting the Klitschko brothers, not wanting to get all overly excited on the Haye Hype Machine. It is what it is -- he's a fantastic orator, and he talks the talk befitting a great heavyweight champion.

He also has, in some ways, walked the walk. David Haye is exciting. He's vulnerable, he's powerful. He's a powder keg in the ring. Any fight of his could end at any moment. And unlike the vast majority of heavyweight fighters in this pitiful era, David Haye comes to throw leather in every contest.

Some wish Haye would shut up, get in line, fight his way up, and "earn" his title shot. I say why? Who's he jumping over? Do we really need to see Haye against 40-year old James Toney to decide that we'd all rather see Wladimir fight David Haye than all these other guys?

Do we need to wait around and be fair? Boxing isn't a fair sport, if you haven't learned by now. The ugly politics will never truly ruin the game, because the game is too good and too compelling to become a complete victim to sanctioning bodies and trifling, scared promoters. But they can certainly put fresh bruises on the sweet science, and they try to do so as often as possible.

Forget fair -- give David Haye his title shot. He wants it. And he's potentially the best thing going in heavyweight boxing.

David's annihilation of Monte Barrett came with some asterisks. Barrett, at his advanced age, did rock Haye a bit, but that's to be expected. If you'd rather your fighters never get hurt, may I suggest to you a nice Sultan Ibragimov or Nikolai Valuev fight?

Go with the baser instincts, I say. David Haye, whether he wins, loses, or draws, is money in the bank.

And I think he is Wladimir Klitschko's nightmare. I'm saying it now. I think David Haye is a terrifying proposition for the big Ukrainian. And I think David Haye has a phenomenal shot at beating him.

Why?

Because Haye is a wonderful athlete, always in peak physical condition. He's active, he moves well, he throws punches from everywhere, and he hits damn hard. Forget the "cruiserweight" tag -- David Haye is a legit heavyweight. He's 6'3" with barely an ounce of fat on his body.

When is the last time Wladimir Klitschko was faced with a physical specimen that might have even possibly given him a real challenge?

Klitschko has a few losses, but he's corrected the bad habits that resulted in those losses. On his current streak, he has done the following:

Beaten DaVarryl Williamson and Eliseo Castillo, two guys roughly Haye's size, neither with Haye's ferocious instincts or natural gifts.

Scored a decision over Samuel Peter despite being knocked down three times. This was the turning point for Wladimir.

  • Beaten Chris Byrd with ease, which he had proven years before he could do. Byrd was a technically sound, crafty fighter with no punch.
  • Knocked out Calvin Brock, who was recently deemed by Klitschko as "not so good." Brock did press Wladimir a bit, as his right hand was an underrated weapon. But once Wladimir literally tasted blood, he turned the light on and crushed Brock, who just wasn't mobile enough to get away from Klitschko's power.
  • Destroyed Ray Austin in a comically bad mandatory defense, knocking out the Ohioan in the second round, never throwing a single right hand.
  • Beat the crap out of a nearly one-eyed Lamon Brewster in a rematch that probably had some sort of meaning for Klitschko, but had very little for anyone else. The world had accepted that Brewster over Klitschko in 2005 was probably a fluke. But hey, Wladimir exorcised a demon.
  • Went 12 excruciating, mind-numbing rounds with Sultan Ibragimov, who might as well have not even shown up to the fight. Ibragimov had no intention of winning, merely desiring to stay off of Wlad's highlight reel. Mission accomplished, Sultan; nothing from that stinker will ever be on a highlight reel.
  • Beat Tony Thompson with relative ease. Thompson, a nice guy and perfectly acceptable challenger, did his best, but was clearly up the proverbial S**t Creek without a paddle. Thompson's effort beat the combined efforts of Austin, Brewster and Ibragimov, but the late-starter was no match for the sound and powerful Klitschko.
  • And, most recently, put the zombified Hasim Rahman back in the crypt with six-plus, one-sided rounds in December.

Look over that list, then scan it again, then give it one more glance.

Hayedm2012_468x691_medium Is there ANYBODY among those fighters that brings to the table what David Haye does? I'm not saying that none of those guys can fight; several can. A lot of them were as good as it was going to get.

But none of them have the athletic ability mixed with the punching power of David Haye. Klitschko has been allowed to stay in his comfort zone against every single one of those fighters -- even against Peter for most of the fight. He has worked off a jab, which is sometimes thrown with real purpose, and sometimes just seems to be an involuntary action. He's thrown some big rights, he's thrown some left hooks. And he's done it against a bunch of guys that weren't good enough to make him do anything else.

In other words, Wladimir Klitschko -- good as he is, and I believe he's very good -- has been fighting boxers that have been tailor-made for Wladimir Klitschko's strengths. Not one of them had the firepower, hand speed, or footwork to make Klitschko actually work for anything. (To be fair, Byrd did himself a disservice by trying to fight toe-to-toe with Wladimir in one of the stupider gameplans we'll ever see.)

David Haye is not brash for the sake of being brash. He's a supremely confident fighter that believes he can knock out anyone. He also isn't stupid -- he knows that the Klitschkos could put his lights out, too.

He also seems keenly aware that iron-chinned Vitali would be the tougher fight for him. There's no doubt in my mind that David Haye firmly believes he will knock out Wladimir Klitschko, which is another thing that was lacking from any of the fighters listed above. Most of them seemed overly cautious, almost too respectful of Klitschko.

Wladimir is a good fighter, and I can't say that enough. But I also cannot stress how strongly I feel that David Haye is by far the biggest challenge for him stylistically that there is in today's heavyweight division.

Haye will not cower from Klitschko. He will not be so fearful of the big punches from the big man that he waits for a perfect moment that isn't going to come, because Wladimir doesn't really make mistakes anymore. He fights mechanically, because he's been allowed to.

What happens when David Haye pounces? When he tags Wladimir? Wladimir also hasn't been hit flush or hurt by anyone since Peter put the fear of God into him. That's a long time ago.

No one has forced Wladimir Klitschko to fight. No one has really put his back against the wall. No one has tested his mettle.

I'm not trying to convince you that David Haye will beat Wladimir Klitschko if and when they square off. I'm just saying this is the heavyweight fight to see, one of the few with any real intrigue. There are probably only two outcomes: Haye scoring a huge upset victory and taking the banner as The Heavyweight, or Wladimir being forced to actually put on an entertaining fight, and knocking Haye out.

Who really loses? For once in the heavyweight division, not the fans.

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nice writeup

I agree with your thought that why wait for this matchup to happen…it is the most interesting fight that could be possibly made in the heavyweight division.

-Brian

by bp on Jan 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too optimistically

“But none of them have the athletic ability mixed with the punching power of David Haye.” I disagree Samuel Peter is a harder hitter as Haye. I speak about that Samuel Peter who fought W.Klitschko in 2005 and not about that bum who fought Vitali a few month ago. I don’t know what happend to Peter. May be he ruined his career by refusing to stay in this kind of shape,he was in the klitschko fight .He never recoverd from the defeat against Wladimir and lost a lot of substance in that fight. But at that time he was really dangerous and till then unbeaten.Even George Foreman spoke about of one of the most dangerous heavyweight he has seen since Tyson.Haye has not anywhere near the punchingpower Peter had at that time.Of course David Haye is much more athletic but no one accuse Wladimir of ducking and running of dangerous opponents like prime Brewster and Peter. Klitschko isn’t as awesome to watch because he tends more to box the opponent out rather than to go into a brawl. In spite of that he’s a real dangerous Hw and I think David Haye underrates him. He will learn his lessons in the ring.

by mzx333 on Jan 10, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peter is a good puncher. So is Haye. Haye also adds to power some actual hand speed. Sam has always been rather lumbering. Peter put Klitschko down three times. Wladimir has been knocked out. Haye can do it, too.

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by SC on Jan 10, 2009 11:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The McCline fight seemed to have an effect on his aggressiveness

After getting knocked down three times himself by a guy who isn’t that big of a puncher, he seemingly became much more tentative, which was a big part of why he got dominated against Vitali. That said, Scam Cheater has never been particularly good. At his best, he’s been a poor man’s David Tua.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 10, 2009 4:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Klitschko-Haye

I hope the fight comes off. I still hear Arreolas name being thrown around. I think Haye is the bigger draw for Wlad and he should give David the chance. I totally agree with SC who else out there is going to give WK fits? Dr Steelhammer is the man at the moment, the unoffical official HW champ. Prove it man. Test that china chin against the Hayemaker. Someone is going to end up fucked.

I just love Hayes Shit-talking at the moment. Turning up with a photo of Wlads decapitated head etc. It seems to be getting under the brothers skins. Which is a good thing if he gets a shot

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by dinkman on Jan 10, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When and Where?

I really hope we see this fight – and soon. Does Wladimir have any mandatories to take care of first, meaning it would have to be a late summer/fall fight? Heard some speculation that Haye is pushing for these fights now because he knows that his hands are brittle and so wants the early payday, rather than racking up a few wins. this could be true or not. How do you guys see that angle?

Fingers crossed it happens in London, in which case I’m there big time!

by Brett87 on Jan 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wlad's next two mandatories

Are Povetkin (who wants to take a tuneup fight before facing Wlad after a major injury) and Arreola (who isn’t officially the mandatory yet, but is ranked as the #1 contender to his other belt). The other guy who could work his way into the picture is Dimitrenko, but his handlers clearly don’t think he’s ready for Wlad yet (and they’d be right).

I’d love to see a Wlad-Haye fight, but I honestly think Wlad is going to let Vitali do his dirty work for him here. Haye is a tough stylistic matchup for Wlad, but not for Vitali. Wlad can make the excuse that he’s facing mandatory Arreola, who’s somehow perceived as a dangerous up-and-comer but who would stand zero chance of beating Wlad, and that HBO has been building up Arreola for a while.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 10, 2009 5:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is the best fight that can be made at the Heavyweight division

I don’t think of Haye as a potential savior, but he does bring an element of excitement that has been long lost in what is suppose to be the glory division of boxing.

by Zocalo on Jan 10, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm all for Haye getting the shot ...

… but he is going to get jabbed. To death. If legit heavyweights like Samuel Peter can’t stand up to all things Klitschko, how is a glorified cruiserweight like Haye? The Barrett performance was sloppy. The only interesting thing will be seeing whether Haye outlasts the last guy to go up against a Klitschko, Rahman. That’s an even money bet.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 12, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haye has the ability to move and punch around a Klitschko jab. Peter doesn’t have that mobility.

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by SC on Jan 12, 2009 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh, kinda

I think Haye’s a hell of a good offensive fighter. I’m not saying I favor him over either Klitschko (and I don’t think he beats Vitali unless Vitali goes shot overnight), but he’s one of the only guys that has the ability to make Wladimir work harder than he usually has to. Klitschko has not faced a fighter with good footwork that can turn him in quite a while.

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by SC on Jan 13, 2009 4:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That

Or someone’s stating the obvious. Wlad wasn’t able to jab to death the last fighter he faced with any semblance of lateral movement. Theoretically, a quick fighter with good body movement should be able to get inside the jab. Then, of course, Wlad would instead clinch him to death.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 13, 2009 8:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Klitschko owns him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEdtB8CZSiY

Haye does not dance as much as you say he does. Thats also 3rd round video and hes dropping his hands. When he moves in it looks like he just lowers his head and throws hooks, not setting up with the jab and working his way in as he would against Klitschko.

Klitschko has a 3" longer reach (boxing rec) and would use that. The jabs would land, Haye would tire out and take some physical abuse from a bigger more technical fighter.

now watch this video at the 1:00 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYvZ30yyWw

Exactly what would happen to Haye when he lowers his head and throws hooks… upper cuts. The guy leans in a lot and is asking for them. With the longer reach Klitschko has that shot all day.

Haye has not fought someone as technical as Klitschko. Klitschko will sit on his heals and let Haye dance around. Haye may even win some early rounds but then he will get out boxed, tire out and get KTFO’ed.

by ryanwk628 on Jan 13, 2009 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he dances

I’m saying he has the athletic ability to actually move, which most of the guys he’s fought recently simply do not.

Anyway I see your side of the debate here, but hey…we’re having a debate about a possible Klitschko fight. Let’s try it for Klitschko-Arreola. I’ll start. Klitschko kicks his ass.

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by SC on Jan 13, 2009 9:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Klitschko-Arreola

Snap. I think Wlad will destroy Arreola.

And i have a man crush David Haye for the record. I love him. I want to wear his jockstrap.

 Wlad will destroy David as well more than likely. But Wlad aint seen speed like Hayes. Sanders got to him who was quite fast for a heavy. Slow punching heavys like that corpse Sam Peter drop him. Haye does have a chance.

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by dinkman on Jan 14, 2009 8:27 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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