Williams and Cotto weigh in on Margarito-Mosley
by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2009 9:30 AM EST
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Former welterweight titlists Paul Williams and Miguel Cotto spoke on the Margarito-Mosley fight, both heavily praising Sugar Shane's performance, but also offering further insight than just a congratulations.
Cotto will, as you'd expect, have a keen interest in the outcome of the CSAC's investigation of Margarito's tainted handwraps from before the fight, though his uncle/trainer Evangelista did say that he noticed nothing unusual during his nephew's brawl with Margarito last July. Said Miguel, "I understand that there will be an investigation and we will see what happens." Given the subject matter, it sounds kind of ominous.
Paul Williams was a little more harsh in his summation of the fight, and about Margarito in particular:
"Shane took my blueprint and Cotto's blueprint and used them both. He stopped Margarito's momentum, didn't let him get off, and jumped on him with combinations. After a few rounds his body couldn't take it anymore... [Margarito's] corner should have stopped that fight. ...
"[Margarito] is definitely done. He went twelve hard rounds with me, then eleven with Cotto. He had twelve hard rounds with Clottey and the fight with Santos. He just broke down. I like him as a fighter and hope he can come back and be a champion again, but everyone now has the blueprint on him. He's fought the same way for his entire career, he can't change."
I don't know if I'd speculate that Margarito is physically done, but he's at that age that some action fighters just feel their body give out. He was not the same Margarito on Saturday night. Maybe he did come back too soon, even though he was off for six months. Maybe it was more that Shane was a lot fresher than him, period, having fought just once in '08, and though he didn't have an "easy" time with Mayorga, he didn't take much punishment.
As much as I'm sure Margarito would love to get a good payday for a rematch with Cotto or even perhaps a rematch with Mosley sometime this summer, I don't think we'll see him back until later in the year at the earliest. He needs to give himself time to regroup.
There's also that looming storm cloud that could really impede his career progress.
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“[Margarito] is definitely done. He went twelve hard rounds with me, then eleven with Cotto. He had twelve hard rounds with Clottey and the fight with Santos. He just broke down. I like him as a fighter and hope he can come back and be a champion again, but everyone now has the blueprint on him. He’s fought the same way for his entire career, he can’t change.”
It is very strange how that came out of the mouth of Williams.
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
Now that Mosley is on top of the world again I wonder… Is Ricardo Mayorga really washed up? Even before Mosley/Margarito I wondered if Mayorga would just outright destroy Angulo…
It's not the size of the dog... It's whats in the fight of Bernard Hopkins! -BHOP
With what
with 3 and a half punches that Mayorga threw in 12 rounds?
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jan 26, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
well
One would have to consider Mayorga to have ever been anything more than a dangerous puncher and tough dude to consider him washed up. Mosley-Mayorga was not a good indication of Mosley at all for so many reasons (weight, horrible corner advice and gameplan, etc.), but while I don’t think Mayorga can destroy Angulo unless Angulo’s chin sucks (and watching him take shots from Gutierrez last year, it doesn’t), I DO agree that Angulo might be biting off more than he can chew. Mayorga can still punch and take a great shot.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Angulo can’t get into a macho contest with Mayorga. Forrest did that and well we all saw the results. Mayorga lets himself get hit in order to get into a brawl where he is most effective. Augulo has enough boxing pedigree to put Mayorga on his ass with the openings that he gives him. Controlled aggression is the best and easiest way to take him out.
Mayorga
I’m not even sure what qualifies as a proper weight for Ricardo anymore. And there’s just an overall sort of disconnect when I watch him. He’s only a “tough-guy” to me in the sense that he willing to eat two or three monster punches to give one looping, wide haymaker. It’s getting more obvious that his “jaw” is worth a whole lot more in pre-fight interviews than it is in the ring. I just don’t consider Mayorga an elite fighter or even a very good one. Could he surprise everyone with lucky flooring of Anguolo? Well, I guess anything is possible. But I don’t think he can draw him in to “his kind of fight.” Mayorga’s not a cutie. He’s pretty much the opposite… more and more when an opponent starts brawling back he winds takes the worst of the exchanges. This was even true during the middle rounds against a completely shot Vargas. Big punching Alfredo will murder him in center ring.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
I wouldn't say he's done
As much as I love Tall Paul, I don’t know if the Mosley fight was necessarily a blueprint.
It was more of a skilled fighter still gifted and taking advantage Margarito’s style.
He didn’t brawl with Tony like most have. He just didn’t fall for the trap. He did what Cotto did but for the whole fight without slipping a bit.
You could argue that Tony won the fight against Williams as well.
Mosley Cotto II?
would it be possible that Mosley cotto II kicks off in the summer if Margarito opts out of the cotto fight? I mean this man just got his a#@ handed to him, and in due fashion. How can anyone come out that beating and then face cotto? And i wonder what mayweather is up to? He’s kinda watching on the sideline…these kind of brutal fights are exactly what Mayweather was avoiding probably (he used to be one of my favorite fighters, but now, I think he’s just been hiding from the true champions [or most of them] and trying to patch up his undefeated record). Will mayweather ever fight any of the top 5 welterweights?
Will mayweather ever fight any of the top 5 welterweights?
Maybe. Maybe not. I really don’t think Mayweather is scared of getting hurt since Margarito in particular is so slow he’d never touch Floyd, and I’ve felt that way since Antonio was calling Floyd out. Surely Margarito or Mosley or Cotto could bang Floyd up, but you have to hit him first. It’s really hard to do. I think Mosley would have the best shot.
As for Mosley-Cotto II, I’d love to see it and it seems that’s the fight Shane really wants, so he can avenge the loss. I think it’s still a really even fight on paper, just as it was the first time. Styles make fights and those two guys clash really well. But Margarito ain’t gonna pass on the Cotto fight unless he’s physically unable to get himself ready in five months. It’s a really good payday and a big fight for a guy that just got spanked, plus beating Cotto again would be a statement. Plus it would give him a chance to win another alphabet title if Cotto predictably beats Jennings. Thing is I don’t think Cotto makes the same mistakes this time, which were laying on the ropes (something we said Shane couldn’t do, and then he didn’t) and trying to absorb shots.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by Scott Christ on Jan 27, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome opinion! Thanks! Also, my theory is that: Cotto will train his endurance a little harder so that he can maintain for a longer period of time. Probably will go to the body more, and hopefully won’t duck his head and be open for those uppercuts (I had no idea those slow bombs would hit him, and they did and hurt him too!).
Also, I think Cotto might have the handspeed + ring IQ to find mayweather, but I guess your right, floyd would do well plus he has a great. It would be Cotto’s power and weak chin vs. floyd’s defense and countering. Hey, I was thinking this morning, where the heck is that Marcus/Demarcus Chop Chop Corley guy? Is he still fighting and is he still a contender? Thanks for the comments!
Chop Chop still fights
He serves as a gatekeeper now. Actually that might be being kind — he serves as a can with a name now. He’s lost 6 of 7, and 9 of his last 13 dating back to Judah outpointing him in ‘03 to take his WBO title at 140. Most of those four wins have come against complete bums (save for Darryl Tyson, who was a gatekeeper fighter in his best days and we aren’t talking his best days). His last good win was over Randall Bailey in 2003.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by Scott Christ on Jan 28, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Mayweather runs
Margarito vs Mayweather, Margarito can hurt Floyd and Floyd doesn’t pack the punch like Shane. Floyd like doesn’t go foward and trades punches, Floyd want’s no part of Mosley,Cotto or Margarito.
re: "Mayweather runs"
This is bullshit boxing fan gibberish. There are a lot of guys that run. Floyd slips punches and counters. If you don’t like his style or him, I’m fine with that, but saying he runs has always irked me. I don’t remember a lot of instances of Roy Jones standing in the pocket and trading, but since he was a bigger puncher than Floyd no one really busted his balls about it.
Floyd knocked the shit out of tough guys like Hatton and Gatti, and he decisively stomped Chico Corrales. Mayweather would probably win 120-108 across the boards against Margarito because Margarito is not going to hit him. Cotto and Mosley I can see giving Floyd some difficulty. Oscar had a good half-fight gameplan against Floyd and then Mayweather took the jab away from him. After six rounds against Hatton it was very clear who the superior fighter was.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by Scott Christ on Jan 27, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
He runs
Gatti was washed up, what did he do against Castillo in their first fight he got away with a win, a controversial win, he gos his ass whipped. The Oscar fight sucked and he was offered 8 million to fight Margarito before he fought Baldomir and he opted to take less money to fight Baldomir rather that take 8 million to fight Margarito the most he would have made to that point. He ducked Mosley in his prime and Margarito he is a chicken and he is not the best pound for pound in the world, to be the best you have to beat the best, fighting Mosley and Margarito and beating them would have made hime the best but he decided to retire. What happened to Roy when he decided to stand in the middle and trade punches, he got his ass whipped. REST MY CASE
your case can rest
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by Scott Christ on Jan 27, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
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