Tomato Cans: January 6, 2009
Here we are in 2009, and while I've been super busy of late, it's time to buckle in and get ready for what we all hope will be a great year for boxing. We'll get back into the round-by-round on Friday night with Yuriorkis Gamboa on ESPN2, and the premium networks return to action on January 17 with Berto-Collazo, followed by the highly-anticipated Margarito-Mosley on the 24th, both fights on HBO.
Speaking of welters (kind of), Paul Williams and Winky Wright are talking fight, but the Williams camp says it's not quite ready to go from their side just yet.
Williams (36-1, 27 KO) holds the interim WBO junior middleweight title, which he won against Verno Phillips in November after giving up his WBO 147-pound title. Wright (51-4-1, 25 KO) hasn't fought since losing to Bernard Hopkins at 170 pounds in July 2007, meaning that if this fight does get the green light for March, it'll have been nearly two years out of the ring for Winky.
BoxRec.com has the fight listed as being for Williams' interim 154-pound title, but Winky hasn't fought below 160 since his back-to-back wins over Shane Mosley in 2004. He certainly didn't care the 170 all that well against Hopkins, as he clearly tired late in the bout, but jumping all the way back down to 154 after admitting he's gotten up to nearly 200 pounds during his time off seems unlikely.
I figure if they do fight -- and neither has a better option out there, really -- then they'll do it at 160 pounds. Williams has talked about being willing to fight 147 to 168, which has become 147 to 160.
Williams' manager-trainer George Peterson does have one eyebrow-raising quote, though: "We don't play those hide and go seek kind of games. We play a game called spank butt."
Erm, OK, George.
Middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik has started training camp for his February fight with Marco Antonio Rubio. The clash -- on February 21 at the Chevrolet Center in Youngstown, Ohio -- will be a sort of make-or-break moments for Pavlik, at least in the short term. With HBO deciding to pass on both that fight and the Cotto-Jennings bout in Atlantic City it will share PPV main event status with, Pavlik really needs an impressive win. Though Rubio is no superstar, he's not a pushover either. He certainly beats the hell out of Gary Lockett. At least Rubio is a legit contender that won a rugged brawl over Enrique Ornelas to get this shot.
The PPV, also, will apparently be offered for $29.95. Early reports were Arum was thinking $39.95, and there's no truly official word that I've seen just yet, but here's hoping for $29.95. That's a price I think almost all hardcore boxing fans would be willing to pay to see the bounce-back fights of Pavlik and Cotto, both very popular young stars.
Floyd Mayweather, Sr., is already all but promising Ricky Hatton will be the first man to beat Manny Pacquiao since Erik Morales outpointed the Filipino icon in 2005. Pacquiao has gone on a nine-fight win streak since then, including two stoppages of Morales, a beatdown on Oscar de la Hoya, an easy points win over Marco Antonio Barrera, and a classic rematch victory over Juan Manuel Marquez.
While I certainly believe Pacquiao should be the favorite, there's been enough time to let the hyperbole of his stunning domination of Oscar die down that I do think Ricky has a chance. As even Freddie Roach has recently said, there's no doubt that Ricky Hatton can pull the trigger, and Ricky's a strong, active fight at 140 pounds. Pacquiao is faster and has sting in his shots, and he punches better in combinations, but he's been kept away from dangerous bangers for a while now. Hatton will present him a challenge. It's a challenge I think he'll win, but it's both a big fight and a great one on paper.
From the "Please God, Give it a Rest" Files: there is talk of Roy Jones, Jr., fighting at heavyweight again, this time against...Evander Holyfield. Jones turns 40 on January 16 and was embarrassed by Joe Calzaghe. He looked every bit his age. Holyfield was hideous in that abomination of a "fight" against Nikolai Valuev, and he turns 47 next October. What an awful idea for a fight that I hope doesn't come to fruition. Holyfield has become ancient (he wasn't much better against Ibragimov than he was against Valuev), and Jones would simply be working his way into some heavyweight fight where someone puts his lights out. Both should retire. Evander, of course, kind of can't. All I can say about that is at least when now 50-year old Tommy Hearns kept fighting this decade, he didn't pretend a mass audience was waiting to see it.
Vitali Klitschko will face Juan Carlos Gomez on March 21 in Germany, it looks like, honoring the WBC's mandatory challenger. Gomez (44-1, 35 KO) is a perfectly legitimate contender in this heavyweight era, which may say more about one thing than it does any other. At 35, Gomez is no spring chicken, but still younger than Vitali (37). Hopefully he provides a little more resistance than Sam Peter did.
Vitali giving Gomez his rightful shot means that Vitali-David Haye will likely be on the backburner for a while longer, since it's doubtful that the injury-risky Klitschko will want to go right back out three months later or whatever. With brother Wladimir probably (maybe?) facing Mexican-American slugger Chris Arreola next, it might also mean that David Haye has to find a stay-busy fight.
For kicks, here are a few maybe not so obvious fights I'd love to see in 2009:
1. Edwin Valero v. Humberto Soto: Let's find out what Valero really has against a tough, talented fighter. Soto isn't exactly one of the sport's elite, but he's merely the rung below that. And he'd be the best opponent of Valero's near-mythical, 24 fights and 24 knockouts career. People have often talked about Pacquiao-Valero; I say let's see Valero against someone like Soto first. Plus, Pacquiao is now just slightly beyond Edwin's range in terms of money.
2. Chris John v. Israel Vazquez: John is regarded by almost everyone as the best featherweight in the world. Vazquez is the champion at junior featherweight. Obviously there are other fights for Vazquez that probably promise more action (Juan Manuel Lopez, a fourth fight with Rafael Marquez, etc.) but given the situation with his eye, he may want to try and extend his career and max out his earning potential. A fight with John would hopefully be enough to lure Chris overseas and get him on American TV. Probably not, but these are just wishes.
3. Zab Judah v. Paulie Malignaggi: You know what's weird? I'm not even that crazy about either guy. Zab annoys the hell out of me, and Malignaggi's limitations are so obvious that Helen Keller could figure them out. But these guys can both box, Judah needs to go back to 140 or just give up the championship ghost, and it's a fight with a New York state of mind. Plus, even though they're both rather full of it (and themselves), they can both trash talk with the best of the best.
4. Sakio Bika v. Edison Miranda: Bika's "Contender" title hasn't been enough to get him any marquee fights, and Miranda's still on the mend after having his big mouth shut by Arthur Abraham. Two guys that love to bomb and are in need of building up some career momentum.
5. Ivan Calderon v. Daisuke Naito: With Nonito Donaire moving up to 115 pounds, that puts Naito at the top of the 112-pound heap in my view. Calderon is 32-0 over his career, and with not much going on at 108, one more weight jump would be interesting to see. Fans in either Japan or Puerto Rico would come out for this one. Naito's a heck of a good fighter, and Calderon's so good I just wish to see him against the best competition possible. Since Archie Solis and Calderon seem to have no intention to fight one another, Calderon-Naito would be next on my "Iron Boy" wish list.
6. Rafael Marquez v. Vic Darchinyan: This one has been mentioned by Gary Shaw, and I'd love to see it. Marquez has never been a big name outside of his series with Vazquez, and even that one was mostly known only by the people that actually pay attention, sad as it is. Instead of Vazquez-Marquez being hyped, it's Oscar against Steve Forbes. But anyway, Vic seems confident he could skip two divisions and get away with it. I'd love to see him try. Darchinyan is one of those guys whose genuine grit has won me over. I think he'd be overmatched by the technically excellent and hard-punching Marquez, who is far more dangerous than Cristian Mijares was. Vic has to get by Jorge Arce first, though.
7. Juan Manuel Lopez v. Daniel Ponce de Leon II: Most wouldn't want to see a rematch of a one-round TKO, but this is one I'd really like to see. Lopez wants to fight the best, and even though he already beat Ponce, one-round fights between guys at this level are so fluky that it's hard to put much stock into them. Yes, Lopez stopped both Cesar Figueroa and Sergio Medina in one in his next two fights, but let's not go confusing Figueroa and Medina with Ponce de Leon, either. Something tells me Daniel might put up a better fight the second time around. Lopez is not infallible -- he's been taken deep by Hugo Dianzo, and fairly deep by Jorge Otero, Edel Ruiz, and someone named Gilberto Bolanos.
8. Oscar de la Hoya v. Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr.: Yes, it's been a lukewarm topic of late, since Oscar isn't exactly in a rush to declare his retirement from boxing, and JC Jr. is apparently all for getting a measure of revenge for his father now that Oscar looks old, washed-up, and finished. But as great as Pacquiao was, there's no doubt Oscar's conditioning played a serious role in that fight. At this stage of his career, and taking it all into account after the fact, I think Manny pretty routinely beats Oscar at 147 pounds, period, even if Oscar showed up in great shape. But even during the weigh-in, when Oscar came in at 145, I thought that was peculiar. It's documented. Anyway, I'd like to see this fight at 154 because I think Oscar, even in his weakened state, is still a lot better than Chavez. If JC Jr. wants to make a name for himself with Oscar, I'd like to see him try. Storybook endings don't always happen in the real world.
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I thought I read somewhere
That Calderon was considering moving back to 105. It would make sense – he could still make the weight easily I’m sure, and most of his career he probably could have made 95 if that was a weight class. Anyway, a Calderon-Gonzalez fight might be killer if they can get that together, although that could easily be at 108 as well.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 6, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's unsure
PR Boxing has been offering boxers left and right to fight him and they are completely unsure of what to do. Most just decline the offer and fight for much less of what is being offered.
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jan 6, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be all over the 30 dollar PPV and for the most part I believe that Arum will have a better undercard compared to the last three PPV of last year.
I would love to see Librado Andrade vs Bika or Miranda.
I would love for Chris John to get crushed.
I also wouldn’t mind seeing Hopkins fight someone a cruiserweight beltholder. A person that I like is Guillermo Jones who somehow was a welterweight at the start of his career and now recently fought and won a championship level at cruiserweight.
by Zocalo on Jan 6, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Andrade/Miranda
Hadn’t thought about that one.
Yeah, it would be nice.
by keyz on Jan 6, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Izzy crushes Chris John
It would be an ugly fight, but I think John would dominate. Styles make fights. Of the big boys at 122, Caballero would have the best chance of beating John, followed by Marquez. With Izzy’s style, John would just use his major reach advantage to run, jab and parry all night long.
I still think Chris John gets severely underrated though. It’s a shame he’s fallen into the pattern of just taking mandatories.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a shame he’s fallen into the pattern of just taking mandatories.
Because he doesn’t want to come to the states. He didn’t even want to come to fight a gatekeeper in Juarez on HBO.
by Zocalo on Jan 6, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has more to do with his promoter than with him
It just makes more short-term financial sense for him to fight nobodies at home and take 75% of the purse. His promoter is trying to milk him for all that he’s worth before he defects to Golden Boy full-time.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 6, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John-Juarez is happening
On the Marquez-Diaz undercard:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3817480
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 8, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Shit… I want to see this fight just for my distaste of Chris John.
by Zocalo on Jan 8, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll probably dominate Juarez
"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."
by SC on Jan 8, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree FULLY
Juan Manuel Lopez v. Daniel Ponce de Leon II—Hands down
Rafael Marquez v. Vic Darchinyan — Honestly even with the Arce fight coming up is purely great. The Christian Mijares fight seriously what was that?
Zab Judah v. Paulie Malignaggi — Don’t know why but yes
Edwin Valero v. Humberto Soto — Do not see Edwin Valero getting passed Humberto Soto. However, it might just end up as a decision.
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jan 6, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Scott Harrison
Former WBO Featherweight title holder is now back out of her majestys bed & breakfast and apparently off the sauce. I hope he can get back in the gym soon and get in position to fight Alex Arthur which would be a blast up in Scotland. I dont think we will see it but it would be a blast.
Sakio Bika v. Edison Miranda- I am liking that matchup. Sick.
Mainstream is brought to you ..
Underground you got to go there...
by dinkman on Jan 6, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Harrison
I hope Harrison can get past those old demons too but it looks like a BIG ask. He still has an outstanding prosecution in Spain. Was an assault on a Police Officer a few years back – upto 10 years if found guilty.
There was a documentary a few weeks back that was supposed to show his “comeback” but because of a different charge of assault he couldn’t get a licence to fight. Heres hoping we see him in the ring again atleast one more time.
Another great British fight would be John Murray (British Lightweight Champ) v. Amir Khan. I think khan is ducking murray though. I’m going to a Murray fight next week. Definitely one to watch from the UK in the future.
by Brett87 on Jan 6, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Khan-Murray
I would like to see this mate(not sure that Khan is ducking Murray-he is setting his sights on world titles not domestic) , i would not also mind seeing Khan fight Thaxton. Both unlikely.
Kevin Mitchell-Carl Johanneson needs a rematch. That fight last year was behind Froch-Pascal/Khan-Gomez in terms of great British fights, but still pretty fucking good.
Mainstream is brought to you ..
Underground you got to go there...
by dinkman on Jan 7, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all these match-ups sound like great boxing to me . . . top of my list would be leon vs. lopez II
by 3zilla on Jan 6, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see all of these except Oscar de la Hoya v. Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr, which simply doesn’t interest me (I only want Oscar to retire) and Rafael Marquez v. Vic Darchinyan, which I think would be a one-sided domination for Marquez. Zab Judah v. Paulie Malignaggi I would watch, but I wouldn’t be thrilled for.
And I’ll be pumped to watch Wright v. Williams if it comes through. At his best, Winky has the tools to beat Williams, but it’s unclear if he can still bring them. Plus, Williams’ improvement has been impressive lately from fight to fight, and I could see him taking it to the next level for a fight with a savvy strategist like Wright. Intriguing match.
by Matt Miller on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents
Floyd vs Margarito or Pacman
Winky vs Anyong . . . especially the Taylor rematch.
Vasquez vs Marquez 4
Williams vs Margarito
Haye vs Vlad
And anyway for Gamboa or Berto to become superstars by the end of the year.
Oh and for Calderon to keep doing his thing against anyone who is willing to try
by Option27 on Jan 6, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want to see these fights too, though I think Scott’s original idea was to go over some less obvious desirable fights.
by Matt Miller on Jan 6, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see;
Herbie Hide vs Enzo Maccarinelli
Amir Khan vs Breidis Prescott (I think Prescott would do another demolition job on him, and since I Khan’t stand Amir…)
Antonio Margarito vs Paul Williams (at 147. I think Williams wins again, but I’d love to see Toni beat him.)
David Haye vs Sultan Ibragimov (I think Haye wins, and wins well, but Ibragimov is a tougher test than Barrett. Haye also needs another fihgt before he fights Vitali, so may as well take on someone who constitutes a ‘proper’ heavyweight.)
Mikkel Kessler vs Carl Froch (I am not the biggest fan of Froch, and think Kessler wins. However, til he fights someone of Kessler’s class, I think he should just shut up, so he should at least get the chance.)
Others too, may post them later….
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Jan 7, 2009 6:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hide v Macca needs to get made
Frankly, I’d pick Hide to win, which is why it will never ever happen as long as Frank Warren still represents Macca.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 7, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hide was offered the fight
Albeit at short notice, but he says he is in perpetual camp now, so how much time would have been enough?
Hide was offered, and turned it down, after Macca had two opponents pull out in the last week before a fight. He ended up fighting a guy (Ellis) at heavyweight and it was stupid, I could have given him a better fight.
That said, I really want to see Macca tested, I think it’s a very hard fight to call between himself and Hide, and I’d love to see it.
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hide publicly whined about how he wasn't offered that fight
I never read anything saying he was offered the fight though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Jan 8, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost Finalized -- Paul Williams-Winky Wright
WBO light middleweight champion Paul ‘The Punisher’ Williams (36-1, 27 KOs) and former unified light middleweight champion Ronald ‘Winky’ Wright (51-4-1, 25 KOs) is close to being finalized for April 11th. The agreed upon weight for the fight would be 160 pounds so Williams’ title will not be on the line. Site for the fight is to be determined with HBO likely to broadcast the bout.
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jan 7, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
News about Arums PPV via DanR from ESPN…
• Arum also laid out his plans for the rest of the Feb. 21 split-site doubleheader. The telecast will open in New York with heralded 2008 Russian Olympic middleweight Matvey Korobov (2-0, 2 KOs) in a four-rounder. “Then we’re looking to do an Anthony Peterson fight, maybe against [former lightweight titlist] Julio Diaz,” Arum said. “If Diaz doesn’t take the fight, we’ll do Peterson against another good opponent.” Also on the New York portion of the card, Arum might try to do welterweight titleholder [and New Yorker] Joshua Clottey’s mandatory defense against ex-titleholder Kermit Cintron. That bout would be followed by Cotto-Jennings. Then, Arum said, the telecast “will magically shift” to Youngstown, Ohio, for the main event of the telecast, middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik’s mandatory against Marco Antonio Rubio. “We’ll have five fights on the broadcast and not a lot of talking,” Arum said. Pavlik opens training camp in Youngstown this week, manager Cameron Dunkin said.
5 fights?
You see a Russian prospect
See one of the Peterson Brothers vs Diaz… A legit test
You see Cintron/Clottey in a welterweight championship
And you have your two main events.
by Zocalo on Jan 7, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another fight that has been discussed has been Caballero vs Gamboa. I mean… that would be one hell of a stylistic matchup.
by Zocalo on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
negotiations haven't gone sour with that
But do to his [Caballero] mandatory… they have been put on hold. Showtime is showing a lot of interest on this though.
Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jan 7, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Caballero is a bloody freak.
Enough said, really….
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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