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Chris John is coming to America

Chris-john-titulo_medium Unbeaten Indonesian featherweight titlist Chris John will make his U.S. debut on February 28, when he defends his WBA title against Rocky Juarez in Juarez's hometown of Houston. The John-Juarez bout will be on the televised undercard of the lightweight championship fight between Juan Manuel Marquez and another Houston fighter, Juan Diaz, reports Dan Rafael:

The deal for John-Juarez was completed Wednesday after talks for Juarez's proposed bout with titleholder Steve Luevano ended.

A Thursday press conference is scheduled in Houston to formally announce the fight as well as the previously announced Marquez-Diaz bout.

"We have talked for a while about the right fight for John to come to the U.S. and now that time is here," Schaefer said. "It's a big fight for Chris John and the right spot for him. Everyone has accused him of just fighting in Indonesia but now he comes into the lion's den to defend his title in Rocky's hometown. It's a big showcase for both of them. For Rocky, it's an opportunity to finally win a world title and do it in his hometown, and for Chris John it's an opportunity to silence the people who say he only fights in Asia. He's not just coming to the U.S. for a fight, he's coming here to fight in his opponent's backyard."

At the end of the article, Juarez's manager Shelly Finkel says, "If Rocky is going to get a title, this is his best shot. If he can't do it, he just can't do it and he'll be one of the best fighters who never won a title. But if Rocky beats him, he beats the best guy in the division."

Frankly, I disagree with the assessment that John is Juarez's best hope for a world title, and with the way they're talking about Juarez as a "now or never" guy, I think it kind of speaks to exactly how low expectations from his management seem to be. Finkel doesn't say that he believes Juarez can beat John, he says Juarez believes he can beat John after seeing him on tape. It's "if" Rocky can get a title, Chris John is his best shot -- not Rocky will beat Chris John. It's a moot point, really, but it's rare to see managers or promoters talk like that.

And as much as I'd like to see Rocky win, simply because he's a solid fighter and a good, hard-working dude, I don't think he can beat John, who is a terrific fighter even if I don't consider him among the 20 best pound-for-pound, which most would if only because of his status as the world's best featherweight and what is nearing a five-year world title reign. I'm not even trying to discredit John's record completely, because he has a win over Juan Manuel Marquez and beat Hiroyuki Enoki last time out. But Renoit Caballero? Zaiki Takemoto? Jose Rojas as a world title challenger in 2007?

Either way, it's good to see Chris John finally coming to the States, and taking on a top contender. Chances are, he dominates Juarez. That's just my gut feeling after seeing them both fight several times. I think Chris is a bit out of Rocky's depth. But it's better that it's happening than another cupcake defense for John.

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A win over JMM??!!!

Really? I never knew that. Going to go look that one up now….

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 8, 2009 7:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously....

How the hell did Chris John beat Marquez? I just looked it up on boxrec, and you’re spot on, but that has shocked me.
I’d be less surprised to find out Tyson once fought Sugar Ray Leonard and lost. I’ve watched John aa few times, and he isn’t anywhere near JMM’s class. I’m genuinely shocked. I’m going to lie down….

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 8, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

personally

I thought Marquez got a bit of a raw deal, but wasn’t robbed. John is a good fighter and it wasn’t one of Marquez’s best nights. Pre-win over Barrera, Marquez’s fights with John and Freddie Norwood were two that made a lot of folks think he “couldn’t win the big one” despite his obvious talents.

See: Rocky Juarez, now.

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by SC on Jan 8, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He got a raw deal with the point deductions in my opinion.

by Zocalo on Jan 8, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither fighter was aggresive at all

They both waited around for the other one to counterpunch, which led to Marquez landing the bigger shots but John landing more shots. I had it even in terms of rounds, but JMM got deducted two points. Some nuthuggers claim that JMM was robbed, but every contemporary report says that it was a close fight, and every single journalist who was actually ringside scored the fight for John.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 8, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I saw the John-JMM fight on youtube a couple of times. Agreed it wasn’t Marquez’s best fights but he clearly beat john. See it for yourself but I saw John getting pushed around the ring throughout the fight. It wasn’t John’s only questionable fight. John had always fought in Indonesia and ironically always won.

John is taking Juarez bc Juarez lost to JMM and a few other elite-level fighters. With John’s “win” over JMM, he wrongfully sees this as shoe-in win. Juarez will have drop 4 pounds south, which is also in John’s favor. I’m curious to see what will happen in this fight.

by schematic24 on Jan 8, 2009 8:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rocky shouldn't have trouble with the weight

He’s floated between 126 and 130 effectively.

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by SC on Jan 8, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Last time I checked, only one or two rounds of the fight were up on Youtube. I had to track down a DVD copy a friend had to watch this one.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jan 8, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really think too highly of Juarez. I think he is a glorified gatekeeper. He just doesn’t let his hands go enough to be effective. He should have won vs Barrera the first time he met him but then no showed the 2nd time. I am not surprised that his management doesn’t think too much of him. There is more reason to doubt him than there is to have faith in him.

I have already made my feelings known about John. I think he was been overprotected his entire career. I am glad he is finally coming over. It is funny how Marquez career took off after that loss and John is just regulated to doing questionable mandatories.

by Zocalo on Jan 8, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good to see John in action in the USA. He’s by far the top fighter at 126 and a win over someone like Rocky Juarez on a big card will do good things for his career and could get him some big fights down the line. Maybe a fight with Israel Vazquez will be made sometime this year or maybe John is looking to move up to 130lbs where there doesn’t seem to be too many big stars anymore.

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by Angry Fight Fan on Jan 8, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

chris john is a real deal

Everyone kind of underestimate Chris ability, JMM said after the fight that Chris was way better than him and he deserved to lose, have you seen how smart the dragon in the ring? He will beat Rocky fair and square no question about it. It just another step before he will face the real fight against Manny. For everyone who had watched his fight should know that he had a quick hands and he will counter punch his opponent with a one two combinations and he will never stop moving, that’s how he beat his opponents by outsmart them. For real just wait on Feb 28, no one will doubt him anymore.

by Thedragonchampion on Jan 16, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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