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Ah, there's so much more to talk about right now. Not really big stuff, but enough that I want to take little shots at or discuss briefly.

Dan Rafael's Notebook contained a few more neat tidbits, the big leading story being Bob Arum working out an agreement with Azteca America for a new series to sort of replace the departed Telefuture series, Solo Boxeo.

Already on tap for the series are the following bouts:

Cesar Canchila v. Giovanni Segura II (February 27): This is a fight that absolutely was good enough to warrant a rematch, even though I felt Canchila clearly won the first time around. With no better opponent for either man at 108 pounds, why not? They put on a great show the first time around, and here's hoping they do it again.

Monty Meza-Clay v. Jorge Solis (January 30): This is an IBF featherweight eliminator. Solis' only loss came to Manny Pacquiao in '07 on Top Rank pay-per-view. Meza-Clay is a fine fighter. Good matchup.

There are other shows in the works, with names like Urbano Antillon, Orlando Salido, Jose Luis Castillo, and others involved. It's already a good-looking series for the diehards. Thank God someone stepped up to make something happen. Losing Wednesday Night Fights and Solo Boxeo was quite a blow. Thanks, Bob.

Dan also says that O'Neil Bell has pulled out of a heavyweight fight for "personal reasons." Hey, there's an early runner for shocker of the year, O'Neil Bell pulling out of a fight. It's too bad the last couple of years of his career have been filled with things like this, like the time he left his promoters and ESPN hanging without notice, because he was a hell of a fighter. I'm also not trying to be outright disrespectful, either. I hope everything's good with O'Neil and that we see him refocused and back in action soon.

Former Canadian star Dave Hilton, Jr., whose career and positive press vanished when he was convicted of sexually abusing his two daughters in 2001, has been acquitted on new charges of of sexual assault, assault and assault causing bodily harm against a woman when the 48-year old woman dropped the case. As far as I'm concerned, I hope this is the last we ever hear of Hilton.

Geoff "The Professor" Poundes of Ringside Report has this to say about Hatton-Pacquiao:

Manny Pacquiao is going to get his ass-whipped by Ricky Hatton. Oh yes, that’s what I said – Hatton will win inside distance in a fight that may not even be close, if the Hitman turns up fit, healthy and ready for action. ... I say it because I worry for Pacquiao’s ability to take Hatton’s body shots, which are as perfectly constructed as any practitioner in the game today, and will carry the kind of weight that Manny will never have experienced. I worry having reviewed the tape of Manny’s early losses to Torrecampo and Singsurat, both 3rd round knockouts and affected with, yes, you guessed it, body blows. Sure, Pacquiao was younger, smaller, less effective, and rumor has it that he was battling his own weight issues in those contests. One thing is for sure – Floyd Mayweather, SR., will not miss the opportunity to highlight perceived weaknesses in his own personal odyssey to uproot Freddie Roach as the world’s finest coach.

I'm not really commenting on it because I agree or disagree, but because a lot of the Pacquiao fans have gone on a rampage against Mr. Poundes for having an opinion, which is sadly a fairly common thing in most fan circles, particularly one as rabid, dedicated and in many ways outstanding as Pacquiao's. It's been sort of a hot-button article, so I thought I'd point you in that direction.

I also think he's wrong, but who cares?

Speaking of Freddie Roach, he's on SI.com saying that soon-to-be boxer Andrei Arlovski (again, I'll believe it when I see it) will knock out Fedor Emelianenko at the Affliction MMA PPV later this month. Fedor, for those who don't know, is perhaps the most dominant MMA fighter of all-time and world-regarded as the best heavyweight fighter ever in the rather short history of the sport.

Freddie's interest in MMA seems confined to the guys in the sport he's trained in boxing rings (a pretty impressive little list, to be sure), but I love his sly comments on the Fedor-Arlovski fight: "If I saw [Fedor] on the street, I wouldn't be scared of him. But I'd be wrong."

Retired star Genaro Hernandez is currently battling a cancerous tumor in his brain, and will be honored at a fund-raiser on January 17 in San Bernadino, California. We send our best wishes to Genaro, as well as our sincere hope for a full recovery.

On a final, sad note, female lightweight champion Jisselle Salandy was tragically killed in an automobile accident on January 4, and we at Bad Left Hook send our best wishes and condolences to her family and friends. Hers was a life ended much too soon.

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O'Neil Bell

My first ever comment on this site was regarding Bell’s slovenly, lethargic display against Adamek. I said at the time I was gutted as Bell was one of my favourite fighters, and it hurt me to see him carry on when he was quite obviously past it.
At the time, you agreed with me on it, and said he should quit too.

Yet in this article you say;
“I hope everything’s good with O’Neil and that we see him refocused and back in action soon.”

I personally don’t want to see O’Neil Bell back in action soon. I want him to retire, and not to act in a way which posterity will only regard as disparaging toward his career as a whole. Of course, I know nothing about him personally, and do not know his motives for fighting on, so it is fair to say my wanting him to retire is completely irrelevant, possibly even patronizing to the man.

That said, if Bell is fighting on for the sake of pride, or boredom, or any other reason based more on whim than necessity, I’d love to see him retire, if only to preserve the image I have of one of the toughest, most exciting cruiserweights I have ever seen.

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 8, 2009 8:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I still agree with that

But if O’Neil needs the money, boxing is a better way than a whole host of other ways to get cash. I don’t know that he does or doesn’t, like you said.

I’d have liked to see him give heavy a go, though, and if he’s in shape and has passion left, I’d still like to. Maybe the weight at cruiser slowed him down against Adamek, but that was a horrible performance.

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by SC on Jan 8, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently one night while I was stupidly drunk....

Someone said to me that Enzo Maccarinelli was going to fight Bell.

My drunken response was to stand there, staring, before slapping him (in a friendly way, not closed fist… ) and saying to him absolutely deadpan, “You listen to me. He might think he wants to fight O’Neil Bell, he might believe it and he might say it. But let’s get this straight. He don’t want to fight no O’Neil Bell.”

And then, having elucidated my feelings on the matter, I promptly threw up on his shoes.

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 8, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish boxing would come to Univision...

I’m so JEALOUS :P.

It's not the size of the dog... It's whats in the fight of Bernard Hopkins! -BHOP

by blackpage on Jan 8, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Worst

Well not worst for those able to receive it. Reportedly, Arum made a deal with TV Azteca to showcase several shows through out the year like Telefutura.

Watching Manny Pacquiao fight live--great...
Watching Manny Pacquiao shadow boxing on the roof of an abandoned building--priceless

by CRAZEDANG1280 on Jan 8, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love it… I have Azteca with my cable.

Hell I can get it free over there air even if my cable didn’t carry it.

Mexico doesn’t have the whole digital signal thing that it been said over and over again that comes into affect in Feb.

by Zocalo on Jan 8, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is a bad bad man….

by Zocalo on Jan 8, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Serious question;

Is Fedor THE hardest man in the world?

Is there anyone who you think, weaponry, firearms excluded obviously, could beat him in a fight? Like a street brawl?

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 8, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No holds barred, obviously....

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 8, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that I know of?

…probably not. But I’m sure there’s some obscenely bad motherfucker sitting in Greenland or something, you know?

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Camden Chat

"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."

by SC on Jan 8, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, but Yetis don't count......

I don’t see how anyone is favourite over Fedor unless they are over 7ft, obscenely strong and fast, and also have skill and possibly most important, a ridiculous degree of ferocity. Hong Man Choi is really big, and is no mug, but Fedor made him look silly. In a fight ‘to the death, no holds barred’ Fedor can’t lose to him. It’s hard to see how a man that big could retain speed and co-ordination sufficient to take Fedor.

So could we be looking maybe at someone Fedor’s size, but who has other advantages over him. The problem is, I’ve seen a lot of fights in my time, professional, amateur and on the street, all kinds of disciplines. So I have a fair idea how good a human can be at any one aspect of fighting, and Fedor just looks like the complete package, y’know? It’s more that the sum of the parts makes a whole greater than themselves, he has the balance just right. If he were stronger, he might lose a touch of speed, were he better with his legs he might lose a touch of flexibility and mobility, etc etc ad infinitum.

Anyway,it’s just something I’ve been thinking about. Didn;t they once create a computer fighter who would be the exact antithesis of Mohamad Ali? Maybe antithesis is the wrong word, ‘nemesis’ may be better. Anyway, I thought a computer program was given Ali’s attributes quantified into numbers, or something, and it created a theoretical fighter who would beat him. What sort of a man would it take to beat Fedor while he is at this absolute peak?

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Jan 9, 2009 6:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They said the same about Oscar vs Pacquiao….Hatton’s underwhelmed, in basically every fight since he made Kostya quit on his stool. I haven’t seen a flicker of that night except just barely in his fights against Collazo, Mayweather etc.

Gatti.
Dekkers.
Pele.
Tadahiro Nomura.
Hidehiko Yoshida.
Aoki.
Kang.
Vanderlei.

by theworldsoldestsport on Jan 20, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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