Evander Holyfield latest to question David Haye's heavyweight chances
Though he and David Haye are both ex-cruiserweight champions who moved up in a quest for heavyweight money and glory, former world heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield doesn't see many similarities. Holyfield spoke with BBC Sport about Haye and his November 7 fight with Nikolai Valuev:
"We're different, I didn't have one fight and then get my opportunity," Holyfield told BBC Sport. "I moved up in 1988 and had six fights in two years before I was finally ranked number one and got the opportunity to fight the winner of Mike Tyson-Buster Douglas. When people try to compare David Haye to me, I say, 'wait a minute, I fought six heavyweights and beat them, they didn't make me number one contender straightaway'. I fought my way in to prove I could win the heavyweight title. I fought more as a heavyweight than I did in any other division.
"David Haye only fought one fight, and it will only tell you how good he is by how well he does in the fight against Valuev. He's a very skillful fighter, but he's moving up to the heavyweight division and he's fighting against a giant, a guy who's 100lb heavier and has a huge reach advantage."
Valuev will have seven inches of reach on Haye, but Valuev doesn't really know how to use his reach so that's probably a moot point. He didn't use it worth a damn against Evander last December, and David Haye is without question a more explosive, quicker fighter than the Evander Holyfield of 2008. But he's not the only one who feels Haye is "undeserving," though I kind of question this. Did Joe Calzaghe bust his hump at 175? No, he shot in and fought Bernard Hopkins from the get-go. It happens. You know what makes it happen? Money, and Haye is worth a lot more of it right now than most heavyweights, certainly more than John Ruiz, and Ruiz was the only other opponent Valuev was going to get.
Evander also refuses to stop living in his feverish dream world:
"I'll be fighting in November and hopefully in February or March I'll be fighting for a world title," said Holyfield. "It's not a dream, it's a reality, it just hasn't happened yet. If I become world champion I won't fight him [Haye], but if he gets the belt first I will. I just need to go and do what I need to do and then I can sit down, and everyone can be happy, because obviously nobody's happy with me standing up. I'm just saying, why don't you let me fight for the title! And in February or March, there's a good chance that might happen."
The answer to his question, "Why don't you let me fight for the title?" is painfully simple and obvious to everyone but Holyfield. He generates no money unless you stick the Valuev-Holyfield freak show in Switzerland, where they don't get "major sporting events" like this often, and he's also 46 years old and no longer qualified. It's not a riddle and it's not a conspiracy.
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"I just need to go and do what I need to do and then I can sit down, and everyone can be happy, because obviously nobody's happy with me standing up."
I love this quote. I really do. This epitomises Holyfield for me. I know he is too far gone,and I know he should have hung them up a good few years ago, but this is a guy who is driven by his dream, and just wants to be left alone to get on with it.
He knows people want him to stop, but he wants his World Title, and to be fair he should have had it; the Valuev decision was atrocious.
I also love it because it does at least imply that he is having thoughts about stopping, which is progress. I’d love to see him jack it in tomorrow, as I’m sure a lot of others would too, but I will be rooting for him every time he fights until he makes his mind up not to fight any more.
Kind of reminds me of a passage from The Long Walk by Stephen King, which went something like; “And Garraty decided to pick em up and put em down, pick em up and put em down, until he couldn’t any more. And then he’d stop, and sit down.” (Sorry if that’s a terrible paraphrasing, but it’s the best I could do off the top of my head, having not read it for at least a year.)
If, God forbid, Holy gets hurt in the ring, by which I mean ‘hurt’, then those three judges that gave Valuev the decision need to accept the responsibility for it. I don’t think he’d be talking about two (or more) fights in October 2009 if those cards hadn’t been bent. He’d have taken his world title, and probably gotten the hell out of Dodge.
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by Chaos100 on Oct 1, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most ringside people thought Valuev beat Evander. I don’t know — I almost refuse to accept that it could have looked THAT different. Nick Charles’ PBP didn’t influence my scoring, Valuev’s stationary uselessness did, however.
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by SC on Oct 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’m with you, that sounds a bit far-fetched to me. Valuev throwing about 3 punches a round, of which two were jabs and the other was so ineffective he might as well not have bothered does not equal a win in my book. Holyfield outworked, outpunched and outsped Valuev all the way through, which is a pretty damning indictment of Valuev really.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Oct 1, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haye holyfield??
in my view haye destory’s evander if that fight is ever made which i doubt, probably in under 3, he has far too much power
tbh i feel that if Haye lands cleanly on the chin of any heaveyweights, barring maybe Vitali, they will go down,
as for Haye Valuev, I see a late knockout victory for Haymaker, maybe a shot to the body doing the damage
Btw iv been reading these boards for ages and signed up a while ago but 4got my password, love reading the live fight night round by round threads
by Sweet science on Oct 1, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tbh i feel that if Haye lands cleanly on the chin of any heaveyweights, barring maybe Vitali, they will go down,
I feel that if any heavyweight lands cleanly on the chin of Haye, he will go down.
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by jrok on Oct 1, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why i love the bloke, never ina bad fight :) I actually went to the o2 and watched the Haye Barret fight, the 1st time I’ve been to a boxing event
by Sweet science on Oct 2, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evander Holyfield vs David Haye would be very interesting fight.
by Strike on Oct 1, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haye would rattle Holyfield’s brains around until someone mercifully stopped it. Evander is really not good.
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by SC on Oct 2, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If James Toney can rattle Evander (and that was quite some time ago—this is an even more shot Evander), Haye certainly can. And that’s not a shot at Toney, but everyone knows he’s not exactly a heavy puncher at HW.
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by Matt Miller on Oct 2, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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