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Arum says Mayweather will duck everyone, prepares for life without him

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says Floyd Mayweather Jr. won't fight anyone tough. He's already consider future options for his top fighters that don't include Mayweather. (Photo via www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com)

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says Floyd Mayweather Jr. won't fight anyone tough. He's already consider future options for his top fighters that don't include Mayweather. (Photo via www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com)

Bob Arum certainly isn't hiding his feelings these days. Though he was booed for complaining about the officiating following Lopez-Mtagwa on Saturday, and he's been called a liar by Leon Margules in the past day, Arum raises some interesting points speaking with George Willis of the New York Post.

The long and the short of all of it boils down to one big, big thing. Don't expect to see one of Top Rank's big stars fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr., at least if Mayweather does what Arum expects:

"He believes he can fight Joe Blow and get enough buys to make it worthwhile. Maybe he's right. The fight I would like to see him in with is Mosley. And if Cotto beats Pacquiao, then I'd like to see Cotto fight him. But it will never ever happen."

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"I know pretty well what he's going to do. He's going to fight a guy that presents very little to danger him. Maybe I'm wrong. But the fight that he should make is Shane Mosley. I don't blame Shane for being aggravated. Shane Mosley is one of the most accomplished fighters around, and he can't hook up in a big fight. That to me is wrong."

The biggest problem Mayweather will have fighting another patsy like Juan Manuel Marquez (it pains me to call JMM a patsy, but let's call a spade a spade) is that there really isn't one out there. Everyone and their dog and their mother and their mother's dog knows that there are two opponents for Mayweather: Shane Mosley, who confronted him in front of those million PPV buyers, or the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao winner. That's it.

His last two fights have been against world champions in the next two lowest weight classes. He fought then-140-pound champion Ricky Hatton, and then he came back almost two years later to fight 135-pound champion Marquez. The truth is, Mayweather-Marquez was a tune-up, and in some ways acceptable. Outside of the fact that it happened on a much higher level with many more eyes on it, it wasn't much different than Israel Vazquez returning against Angel Priolo this weekend. Priolo was a guy who fought two or more weight classes below the featherweight limit, and he'd lost six in a row. Vazquez did it to get his bearings back. Mayweather did the same, but Mayweather, obviously, is a big enough star to get a million people to buy that on PPV. Vazquez isn't.

I didn't enjoy watching Mayweather-Marquez, and though plenty of people did, I think the number of people that enjoy it would dwindle with another fight like that. Floyd's been called on the carpet now. Joe Sportsfan (or Joanna Sportsfan, as Mayweather apparently is a hit with the ladies, too) probably doesn't know Shane Mosley any more than they knew Marquez, but when people become interested in things, even casually, they tend to seek out information. The information anyone curious has found is that Marquez was a lame duck opponent, and Mosley wouldn't be. Neither would the Cotto-Pacquiao winner.

I mean, really, who could he fight? The Timothy Bradley-Lamont Peterson winner? Juan Diaz? A Zab Judah rematch (oh good God, don't give either of them any ideas)? He's said repeatedly he won't fight Ricky Hatton again, and that fight isn't marketable anymore anyway. Is this the part where I make a side-splittingly hilarious and not at all worn out joke about Mayweather fighting Ivan Calderon?

Maybe Mayweather will "retire" again. This is an option, you know. He retired after he beat Baldomir, he retired after he beat Oscar, and he retired after beating Hatton and before rematching Oscar. Which really grinds my gears now, by the way, since it meant we had to sit through that God awful Oscar de la Hoya-Steve Forbes farce for nothing, which is now one of the grand examples of Ross Greenburg's reported budget blunders.

But anyway, Bob has other plans, he says, starting with a potential Cotto-Pacquiao rematch in March if the fight is great. He says there's also Mosley for the winner (unlikely if it's Manny, since Shane appears headed for a January 30 fight with Berto and the March date is Manny's rumored next fight), and a possible Pacquiao-Marquez trilogy fight at 140 pounds.

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I think he fights Pacquiao regardless of the outcome of Pacquiao-Cotto, Cotto is too big and near his prime. If Pacquiao loses (I believe he will), it’ll diminish Pacman’s bargaining power which will further play into Mayweather’s hands.

by toodiesel on Oct 12, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Arum is doing his best to ensure a Mayweather fight doesn't happen

After he got a million buys for a mismatch, and with his sorry undercard, Arum knows Pac-Cotto won’t top Mayweather-JMM, and that he won’t be able to negotiate 50/50 for Pacquiao. Rather than risk pissing off Pacquiao by getting a lower split (and risk putting him in a fight that he’d probably lose), he’s already setting up for any negotiations to fail. There just isn’t any other explanation for saying he wants Floyd to face someone who isn’t his fighter. Arum has to know he’d make more money in a single fight off a Mayweather fight than elsewhere. If he’s talking it down, it’s because he think it makes less money for him over the long term. In other words, Arum has no confidence that Pac would be able to win.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 12, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Funny how he didn’t mention Pac if he wins but he did Cotto.

by gunranger on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If pac manages to KO Cotto, the money for Pac/May will be so ridiculous, that this fight will get made. Seriously, it maybe wishful thinking but I think this fight could destroy ODLH v. FMM (Maybe even 5 M buys PPV). That type of money is ridiculous to pass up on even for two sycophants like Arum and Mayweather.

by waldo47 on Oct 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't get close to 5 M buys

It might touch on 1.75-2M MAYYYYYBBBEEEE. Casual hype is huge for the fight but DLH brought a harem of female viewers to his fights that watched him and only him.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally I would agree with you

But there was no long-term hype about JMM-FMM fight. Hell there wasn’t even short-term hype and that fight magically did 1 M. Where the hell did that come from? Mexicans? Shit put some on the undercard, like legit fights, and there is that demographic. Ok and this fight includes a new demographic the Asian crowd, which seems to be surprisingly big (I guess we’ll see bout that soon). Yet, I think boxing is a gaining a lot of momentum and both of these fighters will attract a huge number of casual fans given the right marketing. Bottom Line.
More Hype + Mayweather fans/haters + Pac-fanatics + Latin Undercard = Huge numbers!

by waldo47 on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 mil = no. No, no, no, no, no. Maybe two mil at the absolute most. Oscar-Floyd was ENORMOUS and Lewis-Tyson is the second-biggest PPV ever. It’s not doubling Oscar-Floyd. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. When professional wrestling was 100 times more popular than boxing in the late 90s/early 00s, it wasn’t getting close to those numbers on PPV. No.

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by SC on Oct 13, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s delay this debate until the Pac-Cotto numbers come out. If that does around 1 M, I think my point merits consideration, anything under this thing has no chance. However, I think this could be the fight that brings boxing back into the mainstream.

by waldo47 on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Five million? The biggest PPV ever is 2.4 million and our economy still stinks, and Oscar de la Hoya at the time was a bigger star than Manny or Floyd will ever be. No offense, but five million doesn’t merit any consideration at all.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 13, 2009 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd-Mayweather

with a Hatton-JMM co-feature could break the record though.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 13, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 Million buys? Might as well say 50 million. The total market share doesn’t even approach that, when you consider that a hundred people could be watching a single satellite broadcast in a bar. And let me tell you, it’s not like a ton of bars even pick up fights anymore. Even in New York City, I had to get in tight with a couple of owners to convince them to buy stuff like “Mayweather-Hatton.”

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’ve been kind of thinking the same.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

arum is a homosexual who rolls around in his pessimism

i agree with him about mosley-mayweather though. for me that is the only fight i want to see mayweather in. obv if by some miracle pacman-mayweather happens, i’ll buy it in a heartbeat but only because i’m a pacman fanboy. a true boxing fan would realize that mosley-mayweather is boxing heaven

also nice to see him acknowledge JMM in a possible trilogy. hope it happens so that i can see JMM put on a morales like face when he gets demolished. “no mas”

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There won't be a No Mas moment

Think more like Ricky Hatton wheezing sickeningly while he’s unconscious.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just dont think Mosley Mayweather is epic. I’m sorry.If it’s the Mosley the chessplayer like in the Cotto fight, he doesn’t stand a chance against Floyd. You have to maintain a certain pace and rhythm against Floyd. I would watch it though considering Mayweather only fights about twice a year.

by killah27 on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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i agree that mosley/mayweather isn’t epic, but that’s because mosley’s ~40 now. Mosley landed bombs on Cotto in their fight (and Cotto on Mosley) and I’m not so certain Floyd could handle that type of fight as well as Cotto did.

I think what every boxing fan would like to see, but we all imagine is a pipe dream, is for Floyd not just take a fight with Mosley/Pacquiao, but run the gamut of welterweights like Cotto has done (that means fighting the Clotteys, Mosleys, Quintanas etc…). Currently, Mayweather’s resume at welterweight is Baldomir, Marquez, Hatton, Judah and Shambah Mitchell

by toodiesel on Oct 12, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what I vote for

Mayweather vs Margarito in a warehouse with Margacheeto’s traditional handwraps and no gloves for either guy.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thrill! as Margarito fails to hit Mayweather

The only way Margarito beats Mayweather is with a bazooka

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More shit talking

Just line them up. Then it will be the excuse that Mayweather didn’t fight them in their prime. None of Arums fighters can generate sales and that’s what the problem is . Don’t be fooled.

by Haans Bishop on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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