Israel Vazquez, like many others, has grown old before his time
I remember March 3, 2007 like it was yesterday. 11 days before I turned 25, with Bad Left Hook in its infancy then, I was more excited to see Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez fight than I could really ever remember being to watch a fight. The fight had been hyped fairly well among hardcore boxing fans, but I was on another level of anticipation. Vazquez had already become my favorite fighter, largely on the strength of his stirring comeback win over Jhonny Gonzalez. He was good and exciting before then, but that one just struck me as downright heroic.
Marquez was a fellow warrior, a great bantamweight champion who had been drilling the opposition. On paper, it seemed to me that there was no better potential matchup in boxing than Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez.
I turned out to be right. I envisioned a great trilogy as soon as the first fight ended. We got one, three of the damnedest, most brutal fights you will ever see, and ace-level boxing, too. This wasn't Gatti-Ward.
Their third fight came in March 2008. It was the best of the trilogy, an unbelievable war of attrition that saw Vazquez win the fight in the waning seconds, knocking Marquez down and sealing victory. They deserved every ounce of praise they got and then some, and they still do.
But here we are in October 2009. Marquez didn't fight again until May of this year. Vazquez underwent three surgeries to fix a detached retina, and made his return this past weekend. He struggled badly with a fighter from lower weight classes who had lost six in a row coming in, until finally stopping Angel Antonio Priolo in the ninth round.
Ring rust is one thing, as is age. At 31 and with years of wars under his belt, Vazquez is much older than that, quite similar to fellow Mexican warrior Erik Morales, whose career hit the brick wall before his 30th birthday. It is no knock on either man to say that Morales was probably cooked at 29, and that Vazquez, 31, looks to be the same. Some fighters are Floyd Mayweather and never get hit. Some are Bernard Hopkins and can fight at the top level at 45 (well, OK, there's pretty much just the one Hopkins). Some are even Roy Jones, and hang on past their prime, but do so without seeming to be in any real danger.
Others are warriors like Vazquez, Morales and countless others, whose bodies just plain can't do it anymore.
I don't want to doubt Israel Vazquez, but nobody's had a genuinely good report of this comeback fight, so it's not just me, or just one other person. This is also hardly the first article of this tone you've probably come across in the last few days. They're everywhere. They're everywhere because Vazquez has connected with boxing fans in a way most fighters never do. As corny as it sounds, we care deeply about Israel Vazquez, because he has cared so deeply about putting his body through hell in an effort to entertain us. That doesn't make him a better person than anyone, but it does endear him to us. He's one of "our" fighters.
Rafael Marquez looked rested and sharp in May. I don't want to see Vazquez-Marquez IV. I don't think it ends well for Vazquez at all, don't think he really has much of a shot to win that fight, and though it pains me to say this, too, I don't think he'll ever be a top fighter again. He certainly didn't look like a top 10 featherweight on Saturday.
All fighters eventually get old. Some of the greatest, and most memorable, do so when they're still young. I'll be telling stories about Israel Vazquez when I'm 80 years old, but I think I just might be ready to stop learning new ones.
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Priolo has been a professional opponent for years now. The whole point of picking Priolo would be for IV to have a quick, easy comeback fight to warm him up and put him back on the radar. It certainly wasn’t supposed to be some bloody 9-round war!
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by jrok on Oct 12, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Those were the most brutal wars and its not that surprising he doesn’t seem the same. Whats remarkable to me is that Marquez by accounts looked good in his comeback, but then he didn’t go through all the surgeries. Just hoping Vazquez doesn’t take a big step up next out…..
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Oct 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus the guy hasn't fought in nearly a year and a half
Cut him some slack. I know he fought a tomato can but there is no telling what level of condition he’s in even after camp or if he perhaps was injured in camp and fought anyways. Izzy might not have it anymore but this isn’t the fight to be judging him from.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When should we start wondering then? When someone a lot better than Priolo hits him at will even easier than Priolo did?
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by SC on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy has always been hittable
He’s always taken punishment. The only difference is that normally he can blast guys out. Maybe he hasn’t had time to adapt to the weight and carry his power. Maybe he was never meant to be this high in the first place. Give him some time and we’ll see.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, he was countered by a bad fighter easier than he was hit by a sharpshooter like Rafael Marquez. He’s my favorite fighter, and it was a long layoff, but it was also a long layoff for a reason. He had three eye surgeries and his body is shot. If you watch Vazquez-Priolo and come out of it without some very real, very serious questions, I don’t know what to tell you, because we didn’t see the same thing. I just don’t think I need time or a better opponent beating his face in to find out he’s not going to be competing on the high levels anymore. I’d love to be wrong.
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by SC on Oct 12, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have carried the guy for all any of us know
He obviously wasn’t gonna get hurt by him and when the fight came down towards the end he dropped him 3 times in the late rounds. Its possible he could have cranked it up early and blasted him out but then he doesn’t have a chance to shake off any rust.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He obviously wasn’t gonna get hurt by him
He got the bad eye busted up again.
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by SC on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also said the eye was fine and it was the only the cut that bothered him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighters say lots of things.
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by SC on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ISRAEL V.
don’t laugh but could say similar to when hatton had his comeback (after floyd hat twatted him into the turnbuckle) and found it very tough going v. lazcano, and this on his home turf in front of (i think) at least 35,000 fans.
Izzy is a totally different fighter than Rick of course, but the point being the long lay off – and Izzy’s was longer – can indeed result in a sluggish/awkward performance.
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by cloughie on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want to upload some shots in the FanPosts or FanShots, please feel free. Have fun at the fight.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to post my favorite youtube vid…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ5i4_l1vDg
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Oct 12, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
This vid is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Johnny Gonzales was kicking Izzy’s ass around the ring till the KD and subsequent TKO. Izzy just needs to shake the rust and build his body to carry his power at 122.
Hell he might have even carried the guy to get rounds. There is nothing wrong or illegal with that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the fight? Also, the Jhonny Gonzalez-Israel Vazquez fight was so long ago for his body it’s barely relevant anymore.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, hope you’re right. I really, really do.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first blush, TKO9 in a comeback fight after so long and with his recent medical issues seems pretty acceptable, even against a can. Without your take on this, Scott, I would probably assume ring rust. But I haven’t seen the fight and numbers don’t tell the whole story. So I’ll defer to people who’ve seem the fight and have more authority than myself here.
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by Matt Miller on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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