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Bad Left Hook's Best of the Decade: Junior Welterweight

Hatton and Tszyu met in a crossroads fight in 2005, and dominance over the weight class for the decade seems to be split between the two.

Hatton and Tszyu met in a crossroads fight in 2005, and dominance over the weight class for the decade seems to be split between the two.

Now that 2009 is getting close to wrapping up, it means this decade is almost over.  Before the end of the year, I hope to get through all the weight classes, presenting to you some choices for the best fighter in a given weight class in the decade.  I'm not going in any particular order here, but we'll get through all 17 weight classes. 

When voting, please only consider the time that the fighter was in the specified weight class during this decade.  Also, I'm not going to count obvious ballot stuffing when I tally these up at the end of the year.

The junior welterweight division is an interesting one, because there really are only two top candidates, and they did fight each other, but it was a crossroads fight where one was ending his career and the other was becoming a star.  But that doesn't necessarily mean that the results would have been the same every time they fought.  Plus, there are a few other wild cards that these two guys with the top records didn't face, and could have an argument of their own.  And the nominees are...

Miguel Cotto - It's difficult to say that Cotto was ducking guys at 140, as he seemed to face everyone he could, but he just wasn't a big enough name at the time to get fights with any of the higher profile fighters in the weight class.  Cotto went 27-0 at 140, including six title defenses.  Key victories include Carlos Maussa, Lovemore N'Dou, Randall Bailey, DeMarcus Corley, RIcardo Torres and Paulie Malignaggi.  The amazing thing is that everyone on that list won a belt at some point or another, but half of them seemed to be nobodies at the time they faced Cotto, but went on to experience success after he beat them.

Ricky Hatton - There's only one....  Hitman went 29-1 in the weight class in the 2000s.  His true marquis win was a victory over Kotsya Tszyu, in which he won the lineal title.  However, he did have a number of other good victories against future and former titlists Freddie Pendleton, Vince Phillips, Carlos Maussa, Juan Urango, Jose Luis Castillo, Juan Lazcano and Paulie Malignaggi, and that's not even including wins over other solid fighters like Michael Stewart and Ben Tackie.  While he struggled each time he moved up to welterweight, the sole blemish on his record at 140 was a recent loss to Manny Pacquiao, the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world by whom Hatton got demolished in 2.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. - This one's really borderline, but I know a lot of people vote purely on a head to head basis, so here he is.  Pretty Boy's reign at 140 is the weakest of anyone on this list, and this is the weight class where he's fought that his own personal resume is the weakest.  There were only three fights at this class: DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.  While Floyd did eventually face Ricky Hatton, he did so at 147 and not at 140.

Kostya Tszyu - As the lineal titlist from 2001 - 2005, Tszyu was clearly the head of the class for the first half of the decade.  Tszyu went 9-1 in the decade, facing almost exclusively top shelf competition.  Victories include Julio Cesar Chavez, Sharmba Mitchell, Oktay Urkal, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah (who he made do the famous "chicken dance") and Jesse James Leija.  Tszyu could both box like a champ and knock em out like a champ.  His lone loss came to Hatton, a closely contested bout that turned out to be the last of his career.

Junior Witter - Witter makes the list almost by default, as every other top fighter in the weight class was beaten at some point by one or two of the guys above, taking them out of contention.  Witter went 16-3 in the weight class, continuously calling out Hatton, never to be heard.  While he had three title defenses, his most impressive run was as the European champ.  Key wins included Lovemore N'dou, Andriy Kotelnik, Vivian Harris and Guiseppe Lauri.  His three losses came to Zab Judah (12 fights into his career, and he managed to keep it close with a reigning top titlist) and late career losses to Timothy Bradley and Devon Alexander.

Poll
Who was the best light welterweight of the 2000s?
Miguel Cotto
168 votes
Ricky Hatton
199 votes
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
85 votes
Kostya Tszyu
276 votes
Junior Witter
8 votes
Other (Please specify in the comments)
137 votes

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But I’d imagine most will vote for Kostya Tszyu and with plenty good reason. I’m in the minority (I think?) that believes peak Ricky gives peak Kostya a hell of a bad time. I’d have voted Judah before Witter, though.

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by SC on Oct 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought about Judah

But given that he was smashed by Tszyu, I didn’t think there was much of an argument for him. You can at least make an argument for Witter, just because none of the big names ever fought him.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somehow I found a homophone I didn't know existed

I wrote marquis instead of marquee. Whatever.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marquee Grissom

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tszyu

easy.

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by Matt Miller on Oct 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Same here

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EASILY

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by battle axe of doom on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hatton for me.

I can see a serious, serious argument for Tsyzu, not so much for Cotto though, I think he’s done his best work and looked a lot less chinny at 147.

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by bazzlad on Oct 15, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tszyu is the obvious answer

He also has the best win in Judah

Regarding Cotto:


 but he just wasn’t a big enough name at the time to get fights with any of the higher profile fighters in the weight class

That is untrue. Floyd wanted him and Arum’s people did not want him to fight him. Plus after what Evangelista saw Floyd do to Bruseles he knew it was a bad choice.

by gunranger on Oct 15, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Mayweather’s history makes these types of claims pretty dubious. He’s “wanted” to fight lots of guys in his career that he not only didn’t go on to fight, but declined to fight when he later had the chance to. Mosley is the best example. Mayweather says he wants to fight and Mosley responds: not now, maybe later. Then when Mosley says okay, now let’s fight, Mayweather responds: no, you had you chance and you blew it. When that kind of thing keeps happening, it makes one doubt whether Floyd’s initial call-outs are ever really sincere.

by taco pal on Oct 15, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well look at the pattern: Floyd fought the best at every class and became the lineal in every class except his one fight at 154 and at 140. Hatton declined him twice there and Tszyu did but there was the whole Showtime debacle. He wanted to fight Cotto but Arum said Cotto was too green. That isn’t dubious it’s unequivocal.

Mosley turned him down twice and now he’s in his twilight he wants Floyd bad for obvious reasons. Floyd’s choices are all obvious when you look at them without bias:

Fight Margarito for 8 mill (with an extension with top rank) or fight DLH for 20 mill and a chance to win a belt in his 5th class

Then Hatton finally wanted the fight FLoyd wanted for so long, which was one of the most profitable in recent memory.

Floyd came back for manny and if that doesn’t happen Cotto will be first. Shane would be the last resort because he would get the least amount of credit for that win over the 3 of them.

by gunranger on Oct 15, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When has he fought the best at 147?

He hasn’t seriously tested himself since he was a lightweight.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd isn't a welterweight

That’s not a dig on Floyd, either. He just isn’t one. He is a huge, fast skilled Lightweight. This is the reason he “cherrypicks.” He is looking at the lower weight classes to come up and challenge him because that’s his bread and butter. If he thought Mosley was old and there were no Pacquiaos and Hattons wit big followings left on the scene, he might offer Mosley a fight. But Zab gave him trouble, after all. That’s because Floyd maxes at 140. 147 is not his scene.

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by jrok on Oct 15, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd fought the best at every class and became the lineal in every class except his one fight at 154 and at 140.

Baldomir was the lineal at 147 and I understand why he fought Carlos instead of Margarito and don’t blame him for doing so, but he has not fought the best at 147. The best fighter he’s fought at 147 was Judah, who had just lost to Baldomir. I figure Zab beats Carlos 9.5 times out of 10, though.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 15, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

point and fact

Judah didnt beat Baldomir 1 out of 1 times, and Baldomir went on to beat Gotti. Mayweather dusted him after that.

really guys Mayweather has taken on all comers. Dont fault him for taken the best deals. Quit moving the goal post. there will always be another guy you want him to fight until he loses.

Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
.

by teabaggingexper on Oct 16, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Judah didnt beat Baldomir 1 out of 1 times, and Baldomir went on to beat Gotti

Oh Jesus. Gatti was completely shot and stunk at 147 to begin with. Alfonso Gomez beat the crap out of Gatti after that. Baldomir-Gatti was an attempt to salvage business with smart matchmaking.

Baldomir beating Judah took the of steam out of Mayweather-Judah, which hurt business for everyone. Matching him with Gatti did one of two things: It gave Baldomir another win over a name fighter, or it rejuvenated the always-popular Gatti. They got Baldomir romping past a punchless, deteriorated Gatti, and that set up Baldomir as a more “appropriate” opponent for Mayweather. It was win-win-win; they built up Baldomir and sacrificed him to Floyd, who was then set up for the Oscar fight, which did bonzo business.

Look, I think Floyd’s a great fighter, but he has not taken on all comers. I get why he fought Baldomir and think it’s perfectly fine that he did (Margarito wouldn’t have done any more with Floyd than Baldomir did, anyway, IMO).

And the goal post hasn’t moved, either. This is not a new complaint. And yes, there will always be another guy I want him to fight, and it has nothing to do with him losing. Everyone assumes that the people that want to see Floyd take real challenges just want him to lose; it’s a neat little attempt at a trump card, but it doesn’t hold water. I don’t root against him, really. I actually find him pretty fascinating, one of the few genuinely interesting personalities of his era, and I think without question the greatest talent of his era.

There will be another guy I want him to fight because he’s a great boxer and good for the sport. I know it’s halfway hip to defend Mayweather suddenly, but believe me, the same complaints have been there for years. They didn’t just crop up, and I’m not eager for him to lose. I’m also not eager for him to keep fighting opposition I’m 110% certain he’s going to beat.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 17, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if your beef is

he hasnt fought anyone, you migght want to check his record. and then think back to how good those guys were at the time. two that come to mind is Angel Manfredy and Diego Corrales. Both were thought at the time to be serious challenges for Floyd. Both were handled and now you think of them as B level fighters.

What happens if he handles Pacquaio and Cotto the same way, and then they both go on to mediocre wins from there on out. Then everyone will think of them in the about the same light you do Diego Corrales.

My point is that you are judging his competition with hindsight, and not giving do credit for what the fight looked like at the time going in (i.e. Carlos Baldomir). That is what i mean by moving the goal post.

The guy has took on alot of great fighters already, and yet we continue to want more (which i do).

But here is the reality, Pacquaio, Cotto, Mosley, Etc.. none will really challenge this guy.

i actually hate the way he fights, its incredible boring to watch and no matter who he fights it will look that way. Pacquaio will come forward and get countered all night, Cotto: replay of the Hatton fight, Mosley will be better than Judah, but the distance in speed and talent is still a good size gap.

what we are seeing is a guy with incredible talent not willing to be more aggresive than he needs to be. he would already have a loss if his style was more Judah and Mosley like. He has just figured out a way to win no matter who the opposition is by figthing in a low-risk style.

Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
.

by teabaggingexper on Oct 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The trouble is Mayweather is “moving the goal post” downwards. He fights a facefirst junior welt, then retires, then comes back to fight a 36 year old featherweight and breaks the cathweight clause. He is an all-time great Lightweight. The joke isn’t what he’s done, it’s what he’s doing now and what he isn’t doing now. He’s not Oscar. Oscar continued to take challenges past his best weight and age, most of which (like Hopkins and Mayweather) were just too much for him. Mayweather’s not fighting up to his talent level, he’s taking low risk fights. That’s what the critics are talking about.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you really think

Mosley and Pacquaio are risk? They are not, what they are is what we hope are risk. Just like previous risk until they were dispatched and now they are looked down upon.

Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
.

by teabaggingexper on Oct 17, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tea Bagger, yes. Shane Mosley has been a risky fight. Plaster Hands was a risky fight. Cotto was a risky fight. Even Collazo was a risky fight. 6-10 pounds means a lot more then you think it means. It’s not just a few more potato chips on the couch. Every ounce counts down there. Floyd is not a welterweight.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 17, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TTTTTTTTHHHHHHEEEEEEERRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE ONLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ONE RICKY HATONNNNNNNNNN

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by RealIrish on Oct 15, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hatton here too :))

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by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess you could make a case for Hatton over Tszyu. As long as its not “because he beat him.” Tszyu was a fairly war-weary and washed up fighter at that time.

The only legit argument for Mayweather is that, head-to-head, you think he would have beaten all these guys there. I think he would have beaten Hatton at any weight up to and including heavyweight, because that style matchup is just never getting any better. Cotto and a prime Tszyu are another story.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Cotto reached his prime until he left 140, so I’d say Mayweather wins that one.

But yeah, if it’s Prime Tszyu vs. Floyd, I don’t know if I would bet on Floyd with even money.

by taco pal on Oct 15, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoose voted witter, Junior and his mum???

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Not sure Witter belongs alongside these other names. Duck, Duck, Duck, Duck, GOOSE!

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ironically, Witter was duck duck ducked a lot.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 15, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you talking about Hatton? You know, that fight might still happen. There are two guys on a downward slope.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 15, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s probably still not worth it for Ricky. He could make just as much against a lot of other people (Witter really isn’t very popular and now any calls for Hatton don’t even hold weight) and not satisfy Witter.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 16, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more curious about other

I’m not sure who “other” can be. Zab and Kostya fought head to head when Zab was prime and Tszyu was a hair past prime, and Tszyu destroyed him. Timothy Bradley maybe? I have no clue.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably Zab

Who beat Witter.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 15, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t get me wrong Witter was a good fighter at domestic and european…. jus doesnt have the resume at all at world level

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

btw i went for Hatton…. but do feel that Mayweather would beat everyone on the list, but only fought 3 times in the weight so i feel can’t be made the winner…. Tszyu 2nd… probably only bcoz im English and I only got into boxing after Hatton had beaten him ( poor reasons i know)

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i still have disgust for Hatton when I think about the foul-fest and wrestling match the Ref helped him put over on Kostya in that fight across the pond.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Oct 15, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about tieing his shoes for Collazo?

I was waiting for Brutus the Barber Beefcake to come in and push Juan, schoolyard style.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 15, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lazcano, not Collazo

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 16, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrestling match or not, Kostya quit. 3 minutes left. 3. And he quit.

Don’t be mad at Ricky, as he said – it’s not a tickling match, and it’s not like there was repeated fouls – there was the eye for an eye low blow, and a bit of grappling (and seriously, not a lot by Ricky’s later standards).

The best man won on the night, and that night, Ricky would have walked through anything. (And it helped his punch resistance hadn’t gone).

Prime for Prime? I’d edge toward Tsyzu, but edge only. Ricky was a machine in his first 39 fights!

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by bazzlad on Oct 16, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

knock on wood

I’m pleasantly surprised by how legit the voting seems here.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 16, 2009 4:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Other than the "other" column

Which I still don’t get. It’s not like anyone has said who is the “other” they’re voting for, but whoever it is has nearly twice as many votes as Mayweather.

Thinking about it, they’re probably Pacquiao votes, even though he only has had one fight in the weight class.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo. Maybe a few “legit” votes for, I dunno, Zab or something (people are strange) but mostly I figure that’s Manny voters.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 16, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Back when it was 20 or so, I figured it was a hardcore cell of Super Judah holdouts. But this is looking more like a Pacquification now.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it’s head-to-head, I guess you could make the same Mayweather-type argument for the Pacman… “He could have beat all these guys at 140.” The problem is, the guy’s only had three fights above 130 this decade.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt about it

Mayweather is the best on the list.

If you had to bet your life on all of these guys, who would you take?

Dont keep bringing up only three fights in this weight class either, if that is the case, then dont put him up for the vote.

Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
.

by teabaggingexper on Oct 16, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"tea bagging expert"

Haw haw haw haw

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 17, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just my two cents…..KOSTYA KOSTYA KOSTYA

Bruce Seldon > Ali

by rjhabeeb on Oct 20, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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