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Fight Previews: Carl Froch-Andre Dirrell and Arthur Abraham-Jermain Taylor

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So here we are. The beginning stage of the Super Six World Boxing Classic, the biggest boxing promotion innovation of the last 20 years. Sure there have been tournaments, and sure there have been huge fights, but this is a whole new level. Five promoters, six top fighters, putting it all on the line for a modified round robin tournament, promising not only a series of big fights, but some incredibly promising bouts as far as action goes, too.

The tournament kicks off on Saturday, with one fight in Nottingham and another in Berlin. Showtime will televise in the States at 8pm ET, and Bad Left Hook will have live, round-by-round coverage of both bouts.

Note: The Abraham-Taylor fight will be shown in America on tape delay. Anyone that posts spoiler results will be banned for at least a day.

I think I've finally made up my mind on these two bouts, so let's do some previewing.

Abrahamtaylor1016_medium Berlin, Germany: Arthur Abraham v. Jermain Taylor

Though he's obligated to complete the tournament win, lose or draw, Taylor (28-3-1, 17 KO) is in a spot that many would call "do or die." I don't necessarily agree; Taylor's three losses have come to Kelly Pavlik (twice) and Carl Froch, and all three of them were great fights. Even in defeat, I've never stopped wanting to watch Taylor fight. He brings it.

He also says he's fixed his long-standing stamina issues, but that's something that will have to be proven in the ring.

The good news for Jermain is this: He's going to have a big height and speed advantage against Arthur. Simply put, he's a far superior athlete, and don't overlook Jermain's strength, either. It's been a while since he stopped anyone, but he floored both Pavlik and Froch.

This is also going to be without question the toughest opponent of Abraham's career. King Arthur currently sits on a celebrated 30-0 record, but being honest, most feel the best win he's got is Edison Miranda, who has been thoroughly debunked as a top-flight fighter. I would actually say his best win is probably Khoren Gevor, but Gevor is no Taylor. Past that, you're looking at a list of guys like Mahir Oral, LaJuan Simon, Elvin Ayala and Wayne Elcock; decent, tough fighters, yes, but also not on Taylor's level.

Abraham (30-0, 24 KO) has excelled in part due to a pretty soft schedule, let's not overlook that. But he's also a tremendous defensive fighter, a very strong puncher, and a double tough son of a bitch who once overcame a broken jaw to beat Miranda in their first go-'round. He has shown an ability to suddenly and viciously kick into a second gear and put the hurt on opponents. Taylor's chin has been tapped and he's been stopped by Froch and Pavlik, but both stoppages came when Taylor had exhausted himself due to poor conditioning. If that stamina is improved and he doesn't gas out, will Abraham be able to captailize?

Even if the stamina issues are fixed, one thing I could see happening is Taylor just going too hard trying to score a KO win over Abraham, tiring himself out and being left vulnerable yet again. A points win may be hard for Taylor to come by, and he might feel already that he'll need to stop King Arthur. Can he?

Sure, he can. But I don't think he will, and I think this is going to wind up a fight very close on the cards, with many believing Taylor deserved the victory. He'll likely be busier and will probably outwork and outland Abraham when all is said and done, but I see King Arthur taking a disputed decision in this one. Abraham MD-12

Frochdirrell1016_medium Nottingham, England: Carl Froch v. Andre Dirrell

Back when Carl Froch was a regional fighter in the UK and calling out Joe Calzaghe left and right, he was dismissed by most American fans, and I'll admit to being one of them. Watching Froch fight, I saw a battler, yes, but also a slow, not particularly strong guy who would likely be exposed by Calzaghe or even the guys two steps below Calzaghe. I saw Froch as a non-contender when it came to the world stage.

Now here we are, Froch holds the WBC super middleweight title, which he actually had to earn by beating Jean Pascal for the vacant strap, and he's defended it against Taylor with an epic come-from-behind win in April. He can battle, he has good power, he's got a fantastic chin, and he's got great confidence.

Dirrell is a different specimen. Flint, Michigan's "Matrix" was a highly-regarded amateur and has blossomed into a terrific pro fighter, running up an 18-0 (13) record. There is no doubt that Froch (25-0, 20 KO) is his greatest challenge, and that that's not even a debatable point. Froch's chin, heart and resolve have been tested. Dirrell's have not.

And that's what this fight comes down to, as simple and repetitive as it is. Can Froch keep up with Dirrell, and assuming "The Cobra" gets to Andre's chin at some point, is Dirrell going to have the fortitude to stand in there with this type of banger?

As an aside, I think a win here really boosts Froch, and that if he makes a strong run or even wins this tournament, we could have a superstar on our hands. He's like a mix of Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe, the two biggest British stars of the decade. He fights more like Hatton, but his personality is really quite Calzaghe-ish; he's arrogant, he's a big talker, but there's also something about him when you pay close attention that lets you know how much he loves his job. Calzaghe, prickly as he could be, had that same vibe about him, always. A guy that fights like Froch does with his personality could become quite the "crossover" star with American audiences if all went well.

But back to the fight. Back in April, I thought I was going to pick Jermain Taylor right up until I sat down to piece together my thoughts for the preview article for that fight. Then my mind changed:

I really like JT. He's one of my favorite fighters, and by that I mean he's one of my favorite guys in boxing. Humble, funny, easygoing, doesn't talk a ton of trash, never seems to want to get all "personal." I think he's going to lose this fight. I think at some point, Froch is going to press him, hurt him, and move in for the kill when he sees an opportunity.

That is essentially exactly what happened in that fight, and for some reason, I'm getting the same gut feeling for this one. I think Froch is going to take Dirrell to a place he's never been (Teddy Atlas' Deep Waters™) and when the fight gets there, Dirrell will be in a massive amount of trouble. The Nottingham crowd will be shaking the building, and Froch is an excellent finisher who keeps his head even when he desperately needs that final knockout shot. Give me the "Cobra" in this one. Froch TKO-11

Taylor-Abraham photo by Howard Schatz / Froch-Dirrell photo by Tom Casino

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All killer, no filler.

After taking auguries and sacrificing a lamb, and observing that the liver was clear as day, I chose Froch to take the tourney.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Oct 16, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've gone back and forth on both of these

On Abraham-Taylor, I’m going with my original gut instinct (when it was announced, I thought it was a no-brainer, but I’ve backed off of that some) and saying Abraham will win by late TKO. I think it will play out a lot like Abraham-Ayala, only with a bigger, stronger, more talented version of Ayala, which means that Taylor will win most of the rounds on the cards up to the point where he gets knocked out. Abraham TKO-12

One other aspect that’s been downplayed is that Abraham’s stamina might actually be better at 168. The most spry he’s looked recently was when he was at 164 against Miranda, and he didn’t always fight for only the last 30 seconds of the round. Maybe Abraham’s output increases a bit and he wins more rounds than I think he will.

On Dirrell-Froch, I’m reversing from my original instinct and picking Froch by late TKO. Dirrell’s a hair chinny and loses focus too much. He’ll be able to make Froch look like he’s moving through quicksand and embarrass him for periods, but Froch won’t quit coming, and Dirrell just makes too many mistakes not to get caught eventually. If his chin, heart and stamina hold up, then I think Dirrell takes the decision, even in Nottingham, but the more I think about it, then less I think they will. Froch TKO-9

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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beer Pairings

Although this might not be your cup of tea, I thought it would be fun to pair beers with the fighters for this epic tourney. For these fights i got Froch: King Cobra (Hilarious ) and AA: Budweiser (Its the King!). The problem is that I can’t come up for anything for Dirrell or Taylor. Any suggestions?

by waldo47 on Oct 16, 2009 3:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beer for fighters?

Taylor – Carlsberg. Flat before you finish it.

Dirrell? God knows. Red Stripe. Effervescent, spicy, without a lot of pop.

:P

Best I can come up with.

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by bazzlad on Oct 16, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

both fights can go either way, they are going to be really fun to watch. as much as i hate to say it, i really like taylors chances vs abraham. i like his size advantage and right hand. i think he wins an upset by tko in 6. then again i can abraham doing the same and tko’ing taylor in 6. i’ll be rooting for abraham thats for sure.

then im going to go with dirrell by ud. again another one that can just be the complete opposite and froch could ko the inexperienced and untested dirrell in mid to late rounds. froch is probably the least skilled and thus most beat beatable of all the guys. people are seem to forget jermain was schooling him up until about round 10 of their fight.

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by sonofapsycho on Oct 16, 2009 6:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by the way

Taylor is officially listed as 5’11", which might be true. Abraham is listed as 5’10", which is absolutely not.

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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 6:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Taylor's got to be 6'1"

Pavlik is 6’ 2 1/2", and he wasn’t towering over Taylor. HBO’s always listed his height as 6’1" – http://www.hbo.com/boxing/fighters/taylor_jermain/record.html

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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even in the way back machine

He was 6’0" in 2000. I doubt Taylor shrunk…

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/news/2000/usteam_boxing/

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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and

Brian Viloria absolutely needs to grow back that pornstache

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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Viloria and Juarez are both sporting some pretty pimp staches in those photos.

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by Matt Miller on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

no way abraham is 5’10. hes maybe 5’9" if he was wearing fishbowl platform shoes like the pimp in “im gonna get you sucka” but other than that hes about 5’7".

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by sonofapsycho on Oct 16, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Abraham KO 10
Abraham will get stronger over the course of the fight, while JT looks more and more like a tire with a switchblade in it. After nine and a half rounds of “looking pretty good in there” JT is going to get starched.

Dirrell SD
Froch wins with first wacky card of the tournament after blocking punches with his nose for 12 rounds. I figure Dirrell mainly fights a Safety-First fight here, poking and potting on the run like he did against poor Curtis Stevens. He will be loudly booed for it, but if there’s one thing we know about Dirrell from the Stevens mess is that boos don’t bother him in the slightest. Dirrell might come out to attempt something around the 8th or 9th round, get punished it, and then cruise back into Matrix mode for the rest of the fight.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Calzaghe speaks

From his column in the South Wales Argus:

“The best thing for British boxing would be a Carl Froch win, I am sick of him talking about me and don’t want to put him down anymore, he’s got a lot of heart, is a big-hitter and deserves great credit for his career,”

“He’s very vulnerable as he doesn’t really defend too much, but I expect him to beat Andre Dirrell on Saturday and to go fairly well in this. I wish him the best of luck, but if a year of inactivity hasn’t affected Mikkel Kessler too badly, he’s head and shoulders the best fighter in the tournament. I don’t fancy Froch’s chances if he faces Kessler, but I wish him well anyway.”

by strike4A on Oct 16, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Taylor is a better athlete than Abraham, but I don’t know if he’s “far” better. Strength and stamina are athletic traits too. Abraham’s about as strong as a tank.

I think Abraham wins that fight but I’m not sure how. I can’t see Taylor winning by decision because he’ll be on the road and will need a blowout on the cards, which I don’t think he’s capable of doing. And I can’t see Taylor winning by KO, because Taylor doesn’t KO that many people and Abraham seems to me to be pretty close to un-knockout-able.

by taco pal on Oct 16, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as another aside

I really hope everyone involved has been exceedingly thorough in getting the referees and judges for these fights, because in my gut I figure the thing that ruins this whole shebang for a lot of people will end up being some terrible stoppage or God awful scoring that screws someone out of the tournament. That is, if anything is going to mess it up at all.

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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To repeat my picks made previously:

Scott’s call on the Taylor/Abraham fight pretty much mirrors the one I made in a previous thread. I agree more or less with what you wound up with on this one, as well as your call. I really waffled on this one, as I think a prime Taylor would likely TKO Abraham, but I have yet to see that Taylor’s conditioning talk is anything but Toney-esque BS.

I’m going the other way on Dirrell though. Here, my pick is much like Jrok’s above. A safety-first strategy that capitalizes on speed, movement, and, when needed, clinching, should win against Froch. I think Dirrell is a smart fighter and will fight a smart fight. This fight is also an excellent investment from a betting perspective, and I may have to drop some coin here.

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by Matt Miller on Oct 16, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What odds are you getting?

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by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+135 Dirrell

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by Matt Miller on Oct 16, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you stole my prediction on froch-dirrell, SC

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by battle axe of doom on Oct 16, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Picks

For JT, I take him to prove his conditioning and to stop AA late. Taylor TKO9

Concerning for me that Miller is so big on Dirrell, but (famous last words) I don’t rate his power or chin and I feel that he will get closed down and caught in the end and that will be that. Froch TKO 8

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by BrianBrock on Oct 16, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Problems for Dirrell

Apparently had trouble making weight. Had to come back a second time. Dirrell denied that he was having trouble saying that it was a ‘misjudgement’ and that he was ‘on weight in the hotel room’ aka typical excuses. This could be a huge deal because this can seriously cut into the speed advantage that he has over Froch. Also increases the possibility of ‘pulling a Taylor.’ Link provided for the interested

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8306336.stm

by waldo47 on Oct 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Abraham TKO 10th – JT will do a good job moving and boxing but will gas out trying to get through Abrahams good defence and he will open up when he see’s the chance. Its one thing to say you have fixed the staminer issue but I dont believe him.

Froch TKO 9th – Similar to AA vs JT but with Froch blocking with his face. Dirrell will box and move making Froch look bad but a loss of focus and a bit of overconfidence and Froch catches him and throws it down

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by sigidy on Oct 16, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to offend our UK/Euro brethren here...

…but I think this is where the Magical Mystery Tour ends for Froch. He’s been living on borrowed time for a while, and I think Dirrell’s athleticism and speed exposes him.

But I’d have said the same thing before he fought Taylor, so what the fuck do I know?

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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 17, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’da said before Pascal, too.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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