Richard Schaefer says Floyd Mayweather deserves the biggest cut of money
by SC on Oct 16, 2009 3:59 AM EDT
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Speaking with BoxingScene.com's Bill Emes, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer explained why he feels that Floyd Mayweather Jr. deserves the bigger cut of money should a fight be negotiated between he and the winner of the November 14 Cotto-Pacquiao fight:
"Floyd Mayweather is not afraid of fighting anyone. At the same time, if he's the one who is generating most of the money - why shouldn't he be treated as such. Oscar was the one who generated most of the money. Oscar, in every one of his fights, got the bulk of the money so why shouldn't Mayweather do the same. I don't understand. There shouldn’t be no double standards."
I don't even think this really deserves to be a question anymore, honestly. Floyd Mayweather just did a shocking one million buys plus great and unexpectedly successful theater business for a fight with Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez is a star to boxing diehards, but came into this fight a relative unknown to the more casual audience, who may have known him from his bouts with Manny Pacquiao. It was an incredible box office performance by Mayweather and, to a lesser extent (let's be honest there, too), Marquez. Mayweather's return shot boxing's business up by quite a bit.
But Schaefer, unlike Bob Arum, sounds confident that a fight will be made eventually, and he also adds that if Cotto-Pacquiao can do the same business, then that changes the game:
"If Pacquiao and Cotto sell the same amount of homes or more [as Mayweather-Marquez], then we will have some things to discuss. But if Pacquiao and Cotto is going to sell 600,000 homes or whatever, then why should it be 50-50? Why? Because some boxing fans think it should be? Or maybe not even fans, because some media thinks it should be? It doesn't work like that. I think eventually that fight is going to happen. When it happens, it happens, but let it happen naturally."
Arum's interview bits lately sound like a promoter trying to avoid a Mayweather fight. I think he knows that as much as he may believe Floyd is a "coward" when it comes to taking tough fights, there are only so many fights for Floyd. He's even trying to push Mayweather-Mosley, which he'd make no money off of. A potential Mosley upset would eliminate Floyd as an opponent for the Cotto-Pacquiao winner. Arum is also talking March 2010 rematch for Cotto-Pacquiao should the fight thrill as expected.
I also think 600,000 is a very low-end estimate for Cotto-Pacquiao. Hatton-Pacquiao did over 800,000, and Pacquiao's profile was nothing but raised by that fight. Plus, Cotto has the loyal Puerto Rican fanbase, and Arum even threw in an extra business wrinkle by enticing the incredibly loyal Mexican audience to buy the show by tossing on a despicably mismatched Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight, much to the chagrin of the rest of us. I think there's a genuinely good chance that Cotto-Pacquiao will do a million buys, and then everyone's got a whole new set of negotiating headaches.
But if that fight were to do a million, it'd be hard for Floyd to not see the dollar signs just bursting all around. 50-50 of Mayweather against the winner of that fight could be absolutely enormous.
As an aside, is it a bit strange to anyone else that Schaefer is so business-like when talking about Mayweather's future options? Technically, Golden Boy and Schaefer do not promote Mayweather. Mayweather's claim is that he promotes himself under his own Mayweather Promotions banner. You'd think that Leonard Ellerbe or even Al Haymon would be the guys talking about this, but it's always Schaefer lately. In theory, Mayweather against either Cotto or Pacquiao has nothing to do with Golden Boy. In practice, it looks like it's going to have plenty to do with Golden Boy. I don't think there's any question at this point that official or not, and no matter how much they might publicly deny it, Mayweather is a Golden Boy fighter, or the company at least has some options on him for one reason or the other.
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Cotto - Pac
I’m not sure how many buys this is going to get. I mean I’m really leaning toward the ‘wait a week and its free’ option mostly because the undercard is stunningly bad. And really if they can’t get people like myself into it, the numbers are not going to be that good. I will hope that this fight does well but I’m not sure about buying it. Also the split really depends not only on Pac’s numbers but also performance.
by waldo47 on Oct 16, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you buy Floyd-JMM? Just wondering.
Also the split really depends not only on Pac’s numbers but also performance.
It depends far, far more on the numbers than it does the performance of either man. “Performance” will be Floyd’s secondary bitching point if they actually do a million or so.
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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would hold you back here? Cotto-Pacquiao is basically a guaranteed great fight. Is it the fact that the undercard looks so weak? JSK-Gomez might be a really good fight, but it’s basically as important as Cornelius Lock-Orlando Cruz.
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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell would buy a known stinker like Money/JMM and then fail to buy a guaranteed barn burner like Pac/Cotto?
That doesn’t make sense to me at all. Unless that’s you, Roger?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Full Disclosure
Ok so I am Floyd fan because he displays a very high level of boxing skill, and the undercard had Katsidis who never disappoints and John v Juarez, which could have been good if it lived up to the hype of the first fight. However, I am completely not excited about giving JCC or the other green prospects any money. No matter how good Cotto-Pac might be, which I don’t think will be all that good. It may be a rarity, but I don’t like putting down money for one possibly decent fight. I guess I learned my lesson from Pac-Hatton….
by waldo47 on Oct 17, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, I am completely not excited about giving JCC or the other green prospects any money.
This is a misreading of the Nov. 14 undercard; there are no green prospects.
JCC Jr.: Not green, though technically I suppose still a prospect.
Troy Rowland: Green, maybe, but nowhere near a prospect.
Jesus Soto Karass: Not green, not a prospect. Journeyman welter who makes exciting fights.
Alfonso Gomez: Not green, not a prospect. Journeyman welter who makes exciting fights.
Daniel Santos: Not green, not a prospect. Boring 154 pound titleholder.
Yuri Boreman Foreman: Not green, not a prospect. Ultra boring 154 pound challenger who can’t punch but isn’t fast or particularly gifted or exciting or anything.
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by SC on Oct 17, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yo waldo, if i remember correctly you have azteca. if you’re not going to buy the PPV, just watch it on there for free. sure the commentators are pretty hilarious, but its FREEEEEEEEEEE
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 16, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh i do love the azteca…..that is an awesome point….
by waldo47 on Oct 17, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor had it
That after Oscar and Hatton, they had co-promote rights for 5 more fights. But that was just internet chatter. No real reliable source for that one.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the other rumor is Golden Boy paid the IRS for him, which is again just chatter. But I mean it’s pretty obvious right now that Golden Boy has clear stake in Mayweather, whether anyone will actually say it or not.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 16, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real Talk
Cotto, Pacman , and if you want to throw in Mosley are great fighter with blue prints to beating all of them being that they all have sustained losses. Mayweather has never loss a fight and that “ALONE” constitutes more of the fight purse. Everyone keeps saying that he hasn’t fought tough opponents…. well I guess the DeLa Hoya , Hatton, Gatti, Corrales,and Marquezs’ careers were “ALL” fake and blew up by the media and the boxing ratings until they met Mayweather. So the question is, were these fighters just “EXPOSED” by real boxing talent ?
by Haans Bishop on Oct 16, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you're a Mayweather fan
But wins and losses have nothing to do with purses. Economics do.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said, unless Pacquiao-Cotto exceeds wildest expectations
the economics are on Floyd’s side.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Floyd exceeded the wildest expectations. Maybe Pac and Cotto will, too? They have more fervent national fan bases behind them than Floyd does, and the fight is certainly going to be better. (How could it be worse?)
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather has never loss a fight and that "ALONE" constitutes more of the fight purse.
No it doesn’t.
Everyone keeps saying that he hasn’t fought tough opponents…. well I guess the DeLa Hoya , Hatton, Gatti, Corrales,and Marquezs’ careers were "ALL" fake
I mean, do you really need the map here? I credit him greatly for Oscar and Corrales, but Marquez was way out of his depth size-wise, which was obvious even to Floyd I’m sure, Hatton was no great shakes at 147 and had a devilish time with Luis Collazo there, and Arturo Gatti, bless him, was tailor made for Mayweather and nowhere near a great fighter, he was a great action star.
I know you love Floyd Mayweather, since 98% of your comments are about how much you love Floyd Mayweather, but it’s just common sense here. His wins over JL Castillo — even the controversial one — showed much more than his wins over Marquez, Hatton and Gatti combined.
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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather has never loss a fight and that "ALONE" constitutes more of the fight purse.
He and Hatton were both undefeated when they fought. Should they have gone 50/50?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
They went 60/40, plus Hatton got 100% of UK revenues, with the end result being that Hatton made a good deal more for that fight than did Mayweather.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hatton got like 7 and Mayweather got like 10? Did I not read that write? Were those just U.S. revs?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good god, wrong “write.” How embarrassing.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just the US and International revenue split
But Hatton kept 100% of the UK revenues. Considering the fight did about 1.3 million buys in the UK (albeit at a lower price than in the US), he made out like gangbusters in the end.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which was why when Pacquiao insisted 50/50, there was a big fight over UK revenues
But in the UK, Pac-Hatton sold about 1/3 as well as Mayweather-Hatton
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by Brickhaus on Oct 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood. Thanks for the correction.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
replie to SC
I wouldn’t call it love for Mayweather but instead the recognition of true boxing talent. That’s the part that everyone seems to look past. When you whip someones ass it’s just that ,a ASS Whooping. What you have here like I said before is the media and these ring magazine ratings and these commentators hyping up these fights and opponents. When these so called P4P fighter lose it’s the excuse they were too small , too old, too short, and etc. Professional fighters sign contracts to make money “First” with the intent of winning “Second” You didn’t hear all these money disputes when DeLaHoya was actively boxing when he commanded 60/40 or in some cases 65/35 splits.
Let’s be honest here… a lot of people want to see this guy lose a fight so I’m guessing he’s probably knows that and so he going to make everyone" Pay" to see it, if it does happen. And SC you’re probably one of those guys aren’t you?
by Haans Bishop on Oct 16, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyson had lost a bunch of fights by the time he fought Lennox in ‘02. He still pulled a 50% split. All Scott is saying is that an undefeated record alone isn’t enough to spell a very one-sided split. It’s just a popularity contest. That’s why Hatton still had so much negotiating power in the Pacquiao fight even after Mayweather clonked him.
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by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a reply option that will reply directly to the post to which you wish to reply.
What you have here like I said before is the media and these ring magazine ratings and these commentators hyping up these fights and opponents.
No, you have fight promoters and people actively involved in making money off of it (HBO, for instance) hyping these fights. Ratings also don’t hype anything; Juan Manuel Marquez is still one of the three best in the sport P4P, I think, but it doesn’t mean he’s a proper match for Mayweather, just like Mayweather isn’t a proper match for Kelly Pavlik. And there were PLENTY of people in the media — the majority, in fact — that flat-out said Mayweather would destroy Marquez, Mayweather would walk through Gatti, and Mayweather would be way too good for Hatton. That is fact. What you perceive appears to be something different. They said those things because they were all pretty obvious. Of those three Hatton gave him the best fight, which is a credit to Ricky. You’re calling logic an “excuse.”
You didn’t hear all these money disputes when DeLaHoya was actively boxing when he commanded 60/40 or in some cases 65/35 splits.
I honestly fail to see what this has to do with anything I said. In fact your entire first paragraph doesn’t actually address anything I said. We both know this, so I’ll take a stab and guess this is what you’re saying: Oscar got the big splits because he was the money man. Mayweather SHOULD get the same. If that’s your point here — which I think it is — then we agree on that. All I was saying before is that a 0-loss record is not what drives the splits. It’s about who draws the cash, and right now, Floyd is the draw. You and I are saying the same thing, but you first said he deserves a big split because he’s never lost, which is asinine.
Let’s be honest here… a lot of people want to see this guy lose a fight so I’m guessing he’s probably knows that and so he going to make everyone" Pay" to see it, if it does happen. And SC you’re probably one of those guys aren’t you?
Nope, I just want to see him take real challenges, something he refused to do when he fought Marquez instead of Mosley. And if you’re going to be one of the Floyd defenders telling me there was more money in fighting Marquez than there was in fighting Mosley, save it, because I’m not going to be convinced that this is the case. Shane called him out in January, Marquez called him out in February, Floyd came back to fight the lightweight king instead of the established welterweight star.
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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even understand why anyone not directly drawing a paycheck from a fighter cares what his split is. Floyd and Manny aren’t paying my rent. If the split is 90/10 for Mayweather, do I get a rebate on fight night? I just want to see fights get made, which they tend to if negotiations are reasonable.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second this sentiment.
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by Matt Miller on Oct 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care what the split is. I find it interesting to follow, but at the end of the day I’m not outraged by anything, unless some dumb split demand makes a great fight not happen.
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by SC on Oct 16, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
unless some dumb split demand makes a great fight not happen.
Right, that’s what I’m saying. If one side demands some absurd figure that stops a great fight from getting made, who wins? Not us, and not them either. 60% or zero is still zero.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
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by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I didn't understand the business side of the sport, I'd just sit around and cry all the time wondering why the fights I wanted didn't get made.
If I educate myself about the business, the why and how of things make better sense. So I’m interested. But as long as the best fights the best at the end of the day, I don’t care too terribly much.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
This is part of the reason I “care” as much as I do about splits and negotiations and all that.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 16, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s what I’m saying. It just seemed like Bishop up there was sort of “rooting” for Floyd to get some ridiculous split out of his next fight. What do I care how rich he is? The more comfortable a guy is, the less likely he’ll take a risky fight. And if you price yourself out of a fight, you run the risk of sitting on a shelf. After a while you will become Winky Wright. It’s not good for the fans, the fighters, the promoters or anyone else.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since where talking about the money draw of two fighters. Mosley wouldn’t be a draw. He has no real following greater than his home town. Take a look at the money negotiated between Mosley and Judah in the fight they were going to have. Mosley is working backwards at this point because he has the big name from past accomplishments, but now he can’t get the big pay days and that’s what he wants. He wouldn’t enhance Mayweathers’ career or resume because “AGAIN” everyone will say Shane was too old etc… when he lost.
Shane needs Mayweather. What he should be doing is staying active and just start clearing out the bums in the division. Let’s see what he does against Berto in January.
by Haans Bishop on Oct 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, all of this is just the art of the business deal. When Floyd’s camp says they want “70/30” they are really aiming for “60/40” and will settle for “55/45.” And when Roach says something like “No chance in hell will we give Floyd 50/50” you can take that to mean they are really aiming/hoping for “50/50” and will settle for “48/54” or even “45/55”. This is all typical, not just in boxing but in many business situations. The plain fact is, anything much more then a ten percent swing probably won’t fly with fighters of this stature. Who are they gonna fight for more money? Valero???
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Err... "48/52"
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Oct 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since where talking about the money draw of two fighters. Mosley wouldn’t be a draw. He has no real following greater than his home town.
OK, look. Mayweather-Marquez did a massive PPV number. Floyd keeps the bulk of the money. Floyd would have gotten the same deal to fight Mosley, with the same guarantee and probably the exact same percentage split. Mosley is not stupid about business and I’m pretty sure he’s not asking for 50-50 to fight Floyd, and he might even accept 40-60 or something like 43-57.
Mosley’s following as a live draw is in his Los Angeles, yes. But Mayweather-Marquez did not sell out in Vegas. They (Golden Boy and the MGM Grand) papered the hell out of that place. The PPV revenue is the real money, and I’ll guarantee Mayweather-Mosley would’ve done the same million that Mayweather-Marquez did. The Mexican fans did not make up such a massive portion of the audience that it was them and them alone. The PPV draw is Floyd. He could do with Shane exactly what he did with Marquez, perhaps even more if “24/7” is the driving force some people think it is, because Mosley speaks English and has an easier communication with the viewing audience in the States.
Anyone that thinks Mayweather took Marquez because it was more money is just believing whatever pro-Mayweather bullshit anyone will throw out there. He took it because it was an easier fight, as he’s done a great number of times. I mean, now he’s using Mosley’s five losses as an excuse to dismiss him. Marquez had four and a draw. Baldomir had nine. Floyd contradicts himself so often it’s hard for me to believe anyone takes his claims too seriously, but some people do.
Shane needs Mayweather.
Yeah, but if Mayweather intends to fight again, he needs an opponent. Then again he’s already proven he’s perfectly content to sell fights against non-challenges like Marquez. Please stop arguing that Marquez was a legit challenge. He wasn’t. It’s not anyone making excuses, it’s a fact.
Take a look at the money negotiated between Mosley and Judah in the fight they were going to have.
For which fight? The fight in May 2008 that got canceled by Judah punching a shower door, or the one they talked about this year that didn’t happen because gutless Zab decided it wasn’t enough money for him? Judah is scheduled to fight Ramon Montano, who is a fantastic sparring partner and once gave David Diaz a decent enough fight at 135. I bet Zab’s TOTALLY pulling in cash that would equate to that Shane Mosley fight he turned down. Mosley and Golden Boy lowballed Zab because he’s a half-shot fighter that has a habit of pulling out of fights anyway.
He wouldn’t enhance Mayweathers’ career or resume because "AGAIN" everyone will say Shane was too old etc… when he lost.
Because it was such a roadblock and deterrent for Mayweather when he fought undersized Hatton, old and undersized Marquez, a Gatti that had no realistic chance but offered good money (I don’t blame Floyd for this), Baldomir instead of Margarito, etc.
This isn’t a valid reason to not fight Mosley. It’s just a way to excuse him not fighting Mosley. “Well, why bother, they’ll say he was old!” So fight Humberto Soto at welterweight then, I guess, and keep the flow going. He already fought at welterweight with the then-man at 140 (Hatton) and the man at 135 (JMM), why not dip down to the 130-pound pool? Maybe he can do a trilogy fight with JL Castillo.
What he should be doing is staying active and just start clearing out the bums in the division. Let’s see what he does against Berto in January.
No, he shouldn’t “clear out the bums.” He should fight top fighters, as should Mayweather. Mosley-Berto is a fine fight, I agree.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 17, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another note
Who do you like to win the Supper 6? We’ll have to wait until next year for Pacman and Mayweather hopefully, unless Manny decides to become a politician back home.
by Haans Bishop on Oct 17, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good god.
Did you copy that from his Web site? That’s like verbatim.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 16, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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