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The future of Jermain Taylor and the Super Six

Many are calling for Jermain Taylor to exit the Super Six tournament and even boxing. Who would replace him? (AP Photo/Markus Schreiber)

Many are calling for Jermain Taylor to exit the Super Six tournament and even boxing. Who would replace him? (AP Photo/Markus Schreiber)

With many calling for Jermain Taylor to drop out of the Super Six World Boxing Classic and even retire, talk is heating up on who would potentially replace the former middleweight champion should he indeed choose that route. Dan Rafael of ESPN.com has a report about an idea from promoter Dan Goossen:

All along, Showtime has mentioned Allan Green -- who, like Taylor, is promoted by DiBella -- as a possible first alternate in the event a fighter dropped out of the tournament.

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For what it's worth, Showtime also has the contractual right to continue the tournament without naming a replacement.

Green is a solid contender, but looked terrible in his last fight when he won a lethargic decision against Tarvis Simms on Oct. 2, a fight Showtime televised on "ShoBox" as a way to keep Green warm in the bullpen in case he was needed for the tournament. But his performance certainly didn't turn any heads or help his case that he should be the clear choice as a replacement.

However, Dan Goossen, who promotes [Andre] Ward, had an interesting idea about how to pick a replacement if one is needed.

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What Goossen proposed to me Sunday was that Green (29-1, 20 KOs) and [Edison] Miranda (32-4, 28 KOs) hook up in a rematch to determine a replacement (if one is needed) on the Nov. 21 Showtime telecast featuring the Kessler-Ward Super Six fight in the main event.

Miranda_01_234x246_medium Goossen Tutor recently entered into a co-promotional deal with Miranda alongside Seminole Warriors Boxing, and they're looking to get his career back on track. Rafael mentions that it makes sense for the two to rematch to determine a possible alternate entrant to the tournament because Miranda beat Green back in 2007, but I don't really see it that way.

No, Green didn't really impress against Tarvis Simms, but Tarvis Simms isn't a bad fighter, and Green had not prepared for a tricky, crafty southpaw on that short notice. He had prepared to face orthodox slugger Victor Oganov, a completely different fighter. And yes, Miranda beat Green a couple years ago, but Green was quite ill at the time and had a large portion of his colon removed immediately after that fight.

Also, Miranda has changed since then. What was once a frightening brawler has now been debunked. Kelly Pavlik and Arthur Abraham ripped him apart, and Andre Ward easily outboxed him earlier this year. I genuinely see Green as not just more deserving than Miranda, but much more deserving. Miranda has lost his aggressiveness, and that and power that hasn't translated to the top levels too effectively were what made him a contender in the first place.

Green may not wind up being much more of a serious contender than Miranda has turned out to be, and Allan certainly has a Jekyll and Hyde sort of thing going on with his performances over the years. There's plenty of reason to doubt Allan Green, honestly, and to be totally fair to everyone, there's plenty of reason to doubt Green even actually wants to be in this tournament. He's talked big games before and then decided to not move forward with anything more than mid-level opponents. If Green were to get an offer and balk, I wouldn't be surprised. Would you?

Miranda, though he somewhat turned into a pumpkin, almost certainly would go through with it. He has nothing to lose and a lack of guts has never been his issue. My only contention is that I think there's still an open question of whether or not Allan Green would compete on this level; I'm 97% certain Miranda won't be able to, and that he'll be routed or knocked out by anyone in the field. I've already seen it happen against two of them.

As for Taylor, I admit I'm torn. I understand the concern. Rafael says Taylor "probably should not continue in the tournament for the good of his health," but his hospital stay in Berlin was far closer to a normal visit to the ER after any knockout loss than it was the week-long observation that was feared initially.

He's 31 and he got caught with a perfect right hand on the button. It happens. When you compound it with a bad stoppage against Carl Froch earlier this year and one in 2007 against Kelly Pavlik, though, you start to wonder if it's worth it. From a purely analytical standpoint, I don't like it because someone has to come in and inherit Taylor's first stage loss in the standings, and it just takes some of the starch out of the tournament when a guy pulls out after one loss.

But if his health is a concern, of course he shouldn't continue on. Here's hoping that's not the case. And if he doesn't have the desire to fight anymore, he shouldn't continue, either. There's nothing good comes out of a fighter that doesn't want to be there.

At the same time, I'm reminded of an undercard fight on Versus from a while back, underneath the Toney-Oquendo stinkbomb. In that fight, former Olympian Shawn Estrada put the hurt on club fighter Shaun Spaid, and the TV commentators bemoaned the mismatch for all they were worth. "Aw, this shouldn't even have happened," and the like. But I said then and say now that if Estrada drilling Spaid had happened in some small civic center or National Guard Armory somewhere, and nobody ever saw it except the people who were there, that fight would not have drawn one single complaint. Truth is fights like that happen all the time; Estrada had more of them after the Spaid bout.

Taylor's been stopped three times, but if he wants to fight and he's not putting his health at risk any more than is inherent because it's a violent sport and bad things do happen, then I see no reason for him to not keep fighting. A lot of guys have been knocked out a lot more than Taylor has, but they weren't knocked out in fights as high profile as his three have been.

I recently posted a bit about Israel Vazquez, who like Taylor has been a favorite of mine for a while now. It may seem I'm being contradictory compared to that, but it's not that I'm calling for Vazquez to retire, I was merely saying I don't think he'll ever be a top contender again. The same could certainly be said of Jermain, but I'm just not ready to throw in another two cents that he should retire. I don't know if he should or not, but if he thinks he should or a doctor thinks he should, then he probably should.

Also, Jermain may well see his retirement coming, but you know what two more fights would give him? Money on which to comfortably retire. You also have to consider that. I'm not saying that money should jump in front of safety, but it'll be part of his thought process.

It'll shake out fairly soon, I'm sure. I hope Jermain is well enough and still has the desire to keep going, but if he doesn't, then that's his call and either way, I wish him the best. He's had a fine career, no matter how disappointing it may seem right now, and he had a lot of pretty memorable scraps.

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Do yourself a favor

Removing Taylor would be the best move for himself and his family. He should retire and take the money he has earned and by himself something nice like a soft pillow.

by Haans Bishop on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ward can't bust a grape

Jermaine should take the remaining two high profile fights and depending on how he does either retire and take the near million dollars he’ll have made from those two fights and live comfortably or continue if he has success. 3 KO losses (and I thought the stoppage to Froch was early and unnecessary, he was hurt but not as bad as Bute was against Andrade), is not the end of a career.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Putting in Edison Miranda is a horrible idea

There actually is a cheap and easy solution out there that probably makes most people happy – Sakio Bika. He’s a promotional free agent, so you don’t have to get another guy involved. Plus, since Showtime seems to recognize the IBO belt, you get one more belt in the mix. Plus, frankly, he’s probably just as big of a name as Miranda or Green.

Miranda would be much worse than Green though, and honestly I was kind of surprised when Rafael published that tripe that Goosen was spewing out.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 19, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And I forgot to mention the most important point

Which is that he’s ranked higher than anyone else who would be available but isn’t in the tournament (assuming that Bute can’t be done because of the Andrade fight and because getting him involved would require another promoter to get in the mix).

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by Brickhaus on Oct 19, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

The notion that Dan thinks it’s “interesting” is pretty interesting in itself. Putting on a parade of guys who got starched by Pavlik at 160, and already hammered unconscious by guys in the tournament is the opposite of interesting. Many, many observers felt that Taylor didn’t really belong in the tournament… so now we’re going to replace him with Eddie Miranda?

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 19, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a little alarmist and premature to call for a retirement, considering RJJ’s pair of brutal kayos a few years ago. Actually (as long as the doctors sign off on the concussion) I don’t think this knockout was as damaging as the Pavlik or Froch beatings. He was iced cleanly with a single shot from out of the blue, rather than eating a lengthy and punishing series. The most damaging part about the Abraham loss is the confidence… another 12th round last second starching. Bottom of the ninth, two out and Taylor gives up the grand slam. Taylor might now fear the one punch knockout for all twelve rounds, and be too gunshy to really worry his opponents much.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 19, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

should have maybe learned to use reply/preview properly by now

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

If there really are legit concerns about Taylor’s health, he should pull out. Short of that, I’d like to see him continue, and for the tournament to play out the way it was originally designed.

He could play spoiler down the road, even if he is pretty much out of it at this point.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think its as bad for the confidence, in a roudabout sort of way. He got beaten by a better guy, rather than gassing and giving it away to something he was superior to. I know there’s the RJJ analogy, and also Maskaev, but when you get on a run on KOs like he has, its maybe not exactly premature to call for it.

Btw, I read Green is absolutely not having any box-off…he does deserve it far more than Miranda anyway, I agree

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Rec’d….

Was it you that once said something about if you were promoting Wlad and Vitali, you’d have ‘leaked’ rumours about them once being covert operatives for the KGB, or similar? I brought that up in conversation the other day, I find the idea really funny.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 19, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I would have sold the hell out of the ex-KGB thing, as well the Soviet “medical experiment” super soldier angle and, if all that failed, I’d have exploited the whole Doctor theme for every cheap joke it was worth. For the Wlad-Haye pressers, I would have had Wlad walk out in a white lab coat and a medical diagram showing all the body arts that Dr. Klitschko was going to target and destroy. “Here you see David Haye’s jawbone is connected to his headbone… I will fix this with a minor surgery.”

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 19, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

comedian

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Class!! :D

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont see what the fuss is about.

i dont get the movement to have him removed. im a big taylor hater and i thought he did well against AA before getting flattened. if he wants to retire than thats a different story. if taylor wants to fight on he should fight. if he wants to retire the proper replacement should be bika or bute.

the allen green nuthugging is absurd. he showed how clearly awful he is against simms. a fight he lost imo. he doesn’t belong in the same company let alone the same ring with any of them.

@mikefareri on twitter.

by sonofapsycho on Oct 19, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?

He trained for a come forward, slug it out type of guy, not the slick, cagey guy he had to fight. Give Green a proper opponent to train for and watch him work.

Green should not have to be in any idiotic “box off” to be in this tourney. Let him replace Taylor, he should have been included from the start.

by SmittytheCutman on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more excuses

not nearly as good as his colon excuse for getting ktfo by a very limited miranda.

its still no excuse for not showing up to fight and actually getting really outclassed in the meantime by a better fighter in simms.

@mikefareri on twitter.

by sonofapsycho on Oct 19, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

you are truly out of your mind if you think green is more deserving than guys like bika or bute.

@mikefareri on twitter.

by sonofapsycho on Oct 19, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen him look particularly good against anyone with a chin

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by Brickhaus on Oct 19, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him replace Taylor, he should have been included from the start.

Taylor was really more qualified. More popular, better known, stronger wins. Even the Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks wins are better than anything Green has done. Sakio Bika is more qualified than either Green or Miranda, and by a good bit, too. It won’t be Bute or Andrade or anyone since they’re busy and you’re just not getting another promoter in there, which leaves Green (DiBella), Miranda (Goossen) and Bika (independent). Showtime has featured Green a lot so I’m sure he’s first choice, and Miranda has a backer in Goossen. Bika is, as always, left out in the cold because no one wants anything to do with him.

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by SC on Oct 19, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless the knockout takes away Taylor’s desire to compete, or he fears for his safety against Andre Ward in the next fight, then he shouldn’t retire. I certainly don’t think anybody should be calling for his retirement, just because he’s been knocked out by 3 heavy punchers

Green replacing Taylor wouldn’t do much for the tournament. Miranda would do even less

by thirdslip on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here’s an “interesting idea,” if taylor drops out: Have Green fight Bika for tournament placement with this stipulation: A points decison won’t earn you any tourney points, but a knockout will get you one point. Could make for an interesting incentive, and lessen some of the disadvantage of coming in late if someone can pull off the kayo.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Oct 19, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great idea.

Not sure how the other fighters in the tournament would receive it though. Instead of having someone on zero points, they now have a guy in there who hasn’t fought any of them, who would be in an advantageous postion compared to Taylor, if he stayed in.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else think that there was a discernible similarity between the facial expressions of Taylor post-Abraham and Moorer post-Tua?

Taylor;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-tlIVaNb8

Moorer;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlS82LC3fTo

(I hope I’m not breaking any rules on posting recent fights, etc, by putting these on here?)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 19, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ah yeah

simlarly dreaming ‘lights out’…nice commentary pre the Moorer KO on how he could make it a chess match, 10 seconds before being knocked through the ropes..

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, the punching through the ropes had a lot more to do with the fact it was Tua hitting him than it was Moorer being hit....

God I love David Tua. I’d love to see him cut a swathe through the heavies. Right now, I’d have him to beat any heavy, with the exception of the two former KGB agents….

Honestly, I just don’t see anyone hitting him hard enough to make him think twice, and I think he’d knock out Haye or Valuev, maybe even both in the same night!! (and I am actually a David Haye fan, to a certain degree….)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 19, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m genuinely not certain Tua could hit Valuev in the head without jumping.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 19, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally get what you're saying;

but don’t you think a sustained Tua assault against the midriff area of Valuev (remember Valuev has nothing Tua would even slightly be worried by…..) would bring the big man down? Exactly what would Nikolai do to discourage Tua?

I’d be genuinely surprised if Tua didn’t stop Valuev, as Tua wouldn’t stop coming, and Valuev wouldn’t be able to discourage him….. Valuev has never faced anyone who can (and will) hit as hard as Tua, nothing like it. The closest is Chagaev, and as much as I rate Chagaev, I think Tua beats him too….

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 20, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a bunch of guys who could beat Tua, I think

At this point, I think he’s one of those guys who beats a lot of guys who are better than him and loses to a lot of guys worse than him because of his style.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 19, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Examples?

And please understand, I’m asking the question, not arguing with you. I’m genuinely interested in this, as I don’t make Arreola, Johnson, Chagaev, Maskaev, Solis, or any other contender for that matter, favourite against Tua. His performance against (prime) Ruiz showed me that.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 20, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d take Arreola to win a two-round war and I’d probably pick Solis and Johnson, too, and probably Chagaev. He’d certainly drill out Maskaev, though. Tua hasn’t done anything noteworthy in years. Shane Cameron is way below every guy here, even Maskaev, whose chin I just think would be exploded by Tua. I like the Tuaman but I don’t see him as any more real a contender than he’s been for most of this decade, in which he’s been a fringe guy with deadly power that mostly blows up bums.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 20, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any HW with good lateral movement, decent power, a decent chin and decent stamina

Prime for prime, Tua would have dominated this weight class, but looking good for 2 rounds against a C-level fighter doesn’t make the way he’s looked for the last 5 or so years just disappear. The guy described above, and tall fighters with a stiff enough jab to keep him off of them would beat him. Maybe there aren’t THAT many of them these days, but I’d favor Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Valuev, Johnson, Solis, possibly Boswell, and a few others over him. Peter and Boytsov are about even money. I think he’d smash Haye or Maskaev, and he’d probably knock out Arreola, Dimitrenko, etc. Chambers and Estrada are odd cases, as either of them could easily outbox Tua, but if Tua’s stamina is really back, he could catch up eventually because their punches aren’t powerful enough.

But as I said before, Tua is hard to figure, simply because his style lends itself to getting beaten by lesser fighters who can fight smart, and to beat better fighters who fight dumb.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 20, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me

Dominated the weight class, outside of the current titlist. I think someone as big as Valuev gives any version of Tua serious trouble.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 20, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you not think the Valuev that fought Holyfield would just resemble a big hairy heavy bag to Tua?

Nikolai wouldn’t be able to hit him hard enough to keep him away, and I really think Tua would just bang away at him until he dropped.

It’s interesting as well that yourself and SC disagree on Arreola/Tua. For the record, I don’t see ANYONE winning a 2 round war with Tua. I’ve never seen him shaken, hurt, or discouraged, let alone stopped. Some of the punishment he took from Lewis would have stopped a pissed off rhino, and let’s not get started on the Ike Ikeabuchi fight…. My point is that David Tua kind of personifies the concept of ‘punch resistance’, and I don’t see Arreola, or anyone else for that matter (possibly with the obvious two exceptions, and even Wlad and Vitali would have to force a RSF or a corner stoppage, as I don’t think they could physically STOP Tua….) doing him enough damage to make him physically or mentally able to continue.

I disagree on Solis. Tua in 5 for me.
I’m genuinely shocked you threw Ibragimov in there. I think Tua stops him inside 5 too. He’s ffar too static and immobile. His only option would be to stand and trade, and I only see one man standing at the end of that firefight…..

I’d love to see Tua/Chagaev. I think Tua wins a war there, probably in 8 or 9. I hate to sound like a fanboy, but since I’ve already said above I think he’d stop pretty much everyone in the division, I don’t think reiterating my point in specific terms rather than general terms is as bad as it would otherwise be.

I get what you’re saying about Povetkin and Johnson. I’ve not seen Boswell fight, so can’t comment on him. Honestly though, if Tua were to fight any of the guys you list, and comes in at a similar weight as he did vs Cameron (255 Tua is no good to anyone….) I’d have my cash on him. Genuinely.

I just think the heavyweight division is short of devastating punchers, and there is a niche for Tua there which puts him in the unique position of epitomising something that any opponent will not have had to face before. His naked aggression, and relentless punching of anything that moves (reminds me of when SC mentioned “Rambo”, and said his favourite bit was “when it went quiet for a short spell, AND THEN HE FUCKING KILLED ANYTHING THAT FUCKING MOVED!!!”) coupled with being practically impervious to anything coming back the other way, makes him a brilliantly dangerous opponent for anyone.

Not to mention, as bad as he is for opponents, he’s great for us!! :)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 20, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record, I don’t see ANYONE winning a 2 round war with Tua. I’ve never seen him shaken, hurt, or discouraged, let alone stopped.

He’s 36 and hasn’t fought anyone worth a crap since 2003. Most of the guys he’s fought barely had a pulse and almost none of them can take a punch.

Some of the punishment he took from Lewis would have stopped a pissed off rhino, and let’s not get started on the Ike Ikeabuchi fight

Lewis: 9 years ago
Ibeabuchi: 12 years ago

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by SC on Oct 20, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for the record I do dig some David Tua and would gladly take him as a challenger for ANYONE since his power is interesting at the least, but I just think he’s well past whatever his prime was.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Oct 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Valuev would fight the same way against Tua

People don’t give enough credit to Valuev actually being an intelligent and versatile fighter. Sure, he’s slow as hell, but I’ve seen him fight at least 4 different ways. He almost looked scared to hurt Holyfield. He wouldn’t have the same problem with Tua. He would just keep pumping out his jab and tie up when Tua gets on the inside, like he did against Lyakhovich.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 20, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not convinced....

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Oct 20, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree

I think he really didn’t want to hit Evander and I think the big lug stinks but the way he talked about Evander and not wanting to fight him prior to the fight it seems he really looked up to him and didn’t wanna damage the guy any more than he is.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*COUGH*

TITLEIST

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

It didn’t include the “S” I put at the end of Titleist that I had in Parenthesis… Like so – (S) (hopefully it shows this time)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Titleist(s)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TITLEIST

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t work when you put the * after it to make it bold

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 21, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone with a jab has given tua nightmares. thats been his kryptonite his whole career along with all of his manager mess he got himself into. even the horrible maskaev was winning every round on his jab until tua blasted him out late in the fight.

however, tua is still in any fight with anyone, especially with todays crappy crop of heavys. id pay to see him against anyone in the top 10 now. him and sam peter would be really fun to watch.

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by sonofapsycho on Oct 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(I hope I’m not breaking any rules on posting recent fights, etc, by putting these on here?)

Nah — YouTube’s problems are YouTube’s problems, we just can’t have those moving .gifs or host anything.

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by SC on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok so i just saw the abraham KO, and in no way was that “brutal”. right on the money & effective, but definitely not “brutal”. some of those KO gifs of the week were much more brutal than this one

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by battle axe of doom on Oct 19, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, more 'surgical' or 'precise' than 'brutal', I'd say....

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by Chaos100 on Oct 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His Gevor KO was brutal

This one was pretty bad, just the way Taylor was out before he hit the ground and his head bounced off the canvas.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 19, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a fan of his second knockdown of Miranda in the rematch, even though that didn’t put him down for the count.

by taco pal on Oct 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Bute-Andrade?

Does it have to be a DiBella fighter? Can it not happen because Bute jumped to HBO?

by mason_beer on Oct 19, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s nothing to do with a jump to HBO, it’s just the finances. Bute isn’t promoted by anyone already involved and these five promoters already made several concessions to make this happen. They’re not bringing a sixth promoter into the fold when Bute can draw like mad in Montreal without the tournament.

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by SC on Oct 19, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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