Quintana in the mix for Clottey; Holt unlikely
by SC on Oct 2, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
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Dan Rafael reports that the still up in the air Joshua Clottey fight for December 5 might be clearing up a bit.
Clottey (35-3, 20 KO) has lost a fight with Shane Mosley, had his next fight date pushed up three weeks, turned down Sergio Martinez, been turned down by Kermit Cintron, and now just when it looked like the list had come down to two men -- Kendall Holt and Luis Abregu -- you can add another.
Former welterweight titleholder Carlos Quintana, who gave Paul Williams his only pro loss, has been inserted into the mix. Currently, Quintana is scheduled to co-headline a show in Puerto Rico, with Kermit Cintron in the main event against Juliano Ramos, on October 24. (That fight, by the way, will be offered on U.S. PPV for $24.95, which is a giant ripoff considering Cintron-Ramos is a laugher. That's a main event worthy of a $4.95 Go Fight Live show.)
If Quintana does land the Clottey fight, he'd be off of that card. Also, Rafael says that Kendall Holt is probably going to turn down the idea to fight Clottey, as he's really not looking to move up to welterweight. Holt may end up fighting in Montreal on December 11 against Herman Ngoudjo in an eliminator bout, with the winner getting a crack at junior welterweight titlist Juan Urango. Holt would be the favorite, but sometimes Ngoudjo actually looks like a top contender. He didn't earlier this year, when Urango punished and routed him in Montreal, a fight that featured a five-minute round thanks to the dynamite timekeeper.
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"Former welterweight titleholder Carlos Quintana, who gave Paul Williams his only pro loss, has been inserted into the mix."
On that motherfucker’s grave, it’s going to say: Carlos “I beat Paul Williams” Quintana.
Sad when the best thing you can say about your career is a fluke win against an obviously superior fighter who blasted you in one round in the rematch.
Not that I’m a bitter Punisher fan or anything.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weren’t no fluke. Outfoxed PW.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 2, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got your story.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it was a fluke win
And generally he’s been a pretty good fighter. Williams had an off night and Quintana had a perfect game plan, but he won fair and square (although I keep hearing people say he ‘destroyed’ Williams, which is a myth – it was a close fight where Quintana won a lot of close rounds by landing the more effective punches). If Williams and Quintana fought 100 times, Williams would probably win 95, but that night Quintana was the better man.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 2, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And FWIW
I’d give Quintana a very good chance at beating Clottey. He’s a very accurate puncher, and you need to either throw tons of punches or be accurate with your punches to beat Clottey. Also, outside of Zab Judah (a very different fighter from Quintana for sure), Clottey has never faced a decent southpaw.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 2, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a first round ko is more of a fluke than outboxing someone for twelve rounds….no shame in getting blitzed by cotto either…i hope its at 147 if it happens
by JohnUtah on Oct 2, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And yet I haven’t heard Quintana clamoring for a rubber match.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he clamored for it, they wouldn’t give him one.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 2, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he doesn't have any drawing power.
Not because they think there’s any chance Paul would lose again.
Are you guys seriously contending that Quintana is on the level of Williams? Because I don’t think many of the great boxing minds believe that.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look nobody is saying that quintana is better than williams, but he did beat him THAT ONE NIGHT, and you saying its a fluke is just wrongly taking something away from him.
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 2, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, when somebody not on the level of somebody else beats them one time, that’s the definition of a fluke. But maybe I should look the term up in order to use it more precisely.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so necessarily
A fluke is when something happened that caused him to win that was outside of the usual circumstances. Like if Williams had torn his ACL, then the win would have been a fluke.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 3, 2009 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if he had caught Williams with a lucky punch that knocked him out
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by Brickhaus on Oct 3, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
I’m saying he beat him clean because he was a better fighter that night. First round knockouts on the higher levels are way flukier than twelve-round wins. Calling Quintana’s win a fluke sounds like you just don’t believe he’s any good at all. He’s really quite good and he had Paul’s number that night. It reminded me of Judah-Baldomir, kind of; like Brick said, 95/100 times, Paul beats Quintana, and Judah beats Baldomir, but on those nights it didn’t happen.
As for drawing power, Quintana probably has more than Williams just by being Puerto Rican, but he’s not backed by HBO and Paul is (and absolutely deserves to be, too).
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 2, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Quintana is good. Again, I think my view of him is jut colored by the fact he beat Paul and Paul is my favorite. So I’ll just sit over here and shake my fist at him like an old man with kids on his lawn and keep my trap shut, since I can’t seem to deliver an objective statement on his skill set.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we just use “fluke” slightly differently. I reserve it for stuff like Thomas Davis knocking out Kendall Holt in one.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Oct 3, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quintana?
Please… He should fight Diaz or Ricky Hatton. The would be called " The Battle of the Big Little Man Wars".
by Haans Bishop on Oct 2, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can see it now: pavlik whups williams, and quintana beats clottey on dec 5. quintana uses the merchant talk time to call out williams for a third fight, williams will accept it after his destruction by pavlik and everyone will love him again when he beats up a small dude like quintana for the second time.
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To me
A Dzinziruk fight seems likely either way after the Pavlik fight, win or lose. Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt there would be another big money option out there, plus Williams is Dzin’s mandatory for the 154 pound belt, and at least Dzin would bring in some money in Germany. He’ll probably want to stay at 154 long-term simply because 160 is devoid of big money names, other than the two he’s already fought.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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