The Froch-Dirrell Scorecards. The Italian judge giving rounds 11 and 12 to Froch makes you wonder exactly what fight he was watching. Bad Left Hook officially scored the first five rounds, all rounds with relatively little action, to Dirrell, while none of the judges scored more than three rounds for Dirrell. All three judges also scored round 8 for Froch, in which Dirrell put on a clinic for about 2:30 before Froch rocked Dirrell at the end of the round.
One would hope this would have provided more insight into how the fight was scored, but it almost provides more questions than answers.
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rounds 10-12 were a clinic, a straight up clinic. Dirrell was just smoking Froch in those last rounds.
I feel like this actually provides more answers than questions; the notion that when you argue with an idiot a bystander can’t tell you apart. Calling the Italian Judge an idiot is a compliment and is letting him off the proverbial hook. It’s hard to deny he’s involved in something worse.
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by lcollins1 on Oct 21, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Egregious.
That’s the only word for those cards.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 21, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Rounds 6-8 all to Froch? When was the MMA takedown, Round 5? So Froch gets points for clean rabbit punching? I had the first round going to Froch and the 4th, but I thought the first couple were fairly close. After that I thought that Dirrell was putting on a show of how to effectively deal with pressure, with just a little too much holding. However this wasn’t a close fight even if Kevin Iole and Dan Raphael say so…
by waldo47 on Oct 21, 2009 2:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6-8 were actually the only rounds I gave Froch
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by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving Round 11 to Froch is a crime… that was the most one sided round in the fight.
by KyleAskine on Oct 21, 2009 7:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Van De Weil thought Froch won rounds 4 and 5? Aw haw haw that’s a good one.
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by jrok on Oct 21, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats really interesting
The first time I’ve seen the judges scorecards for any fight.
The problem is that scoring seems pretty subjective. If it wasn’t they’d just have one guy doing it because 3 would all give the same score all the time, according to the ‘rules’ of scoring. People are allowed to see different things, and even score perversely, as there appears to be no mechanism for penalising judges that turn in obviously wrong scorecards.
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by BrianBrock on Oct 21, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only one round in the whole fight was unanimously scored for Dirrell
by thirdslip on Oct 21, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting view
I thought Dirrell won, but after watching this, (11 clinches in a round [yet not wobbled once]) I think I can see why the point was deducted. (Although not why Carl didn’t have one).
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by bazzlad on Oct 21, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The deduction was totally legitimate
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by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The deduction was actually fine, though I will hear no argument ever that the referee wasn’t terrible. Still, I know why he took it, I just felt as though if that earned one, Froch surely earned one of his own. Referee had no idea what to do with those two guys, though. The only guy in the fight that got stage fright was the official.
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by SC on Oct 21, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, the problem was:
If you’re going to take a point away form Dirrell, then Froch should have had two to three deducted. If you’re going to let them fight, let them fight. If you’re going to get control, get control. But at least be consistent.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 21, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?
Are those the same cards as in the link provided? The 10th rd was when the point deduction was placed wasn’t it?
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by Sickle on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The deduction doesn't show up on the cards.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
err reply button.
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by Sickle on Oct 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, but if you go to the link you provided the cards are shown as 9 all thru the 10th round. The total scores are the same just weird how that round is different. Looked at it like 3 times just to make sure I wasn’t losing my mind.
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by Sickle on Oct 21, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The must have updated it to include the deduction after I posted.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Belgian judge watch the fight? its like he gave Dirrell the last three rounds (of which he deserved at least two) just to make it seem like his score is on the level
by JohnUtah on Oct 21, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I see some last minute futzing on Massimo's card too
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by jrok on Oct 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so was this fight as boring as i think it is
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 21, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't exciting
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by Brickhaus on Oct 22, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a mess of a fight, truthfully. It had some moments, but the only real drama I felt was while waiting for the scores to be read. I wanted to see what kind of crap might get pulled. TO BE FAIR, totally fair, and I know I’ve said I felt Dirrell won without question, at least there wasn’t, like, a 119-108 Froch card or anything.
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by SC on Oct 22, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone's interested
A poster on a message board rewatched the fight and tried to put together punch stats. I have no idea whether he just pulled these out of his ass, whether he was counting rabbit punches and how good his eye is and whatnot, but here goes:
Dirrell - Froch
1 | 3/23 - 5/22
2 | 5/17 - 5/25
3 | 7/20 - 2/21
4 | 6/25 - 4/30
5 | 7/26 - 4/31
6 | 3/21 - 6/31
7 | 8/29 - 10/31
8 | 8/33 - 5/32
9 | 10/30 - 7/40
10 | 8/33 - 5/32
11 | 12/36 - 8/41
12 | 9/28 - 8/36
TOTALS:
Dirrell – 86/309, 28%
Froch – 67/373, 18%
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by Brickhaus on Oct 22, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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