Pacquiao likely to fight in March, Arum will negotiate with Mayweather
by SC on Oct 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
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Though he warns everyone to not look past the November 14 fight with Miguel Cotto, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says they're looking at a March 13, 2010 return for Manny Pacquiao, according to the Manila Bulletin:
The planned March fight is being eyed by Pacquiao’s people as a perfect event to pitch the fighter’s political aspirations.
Pacquiao said he will run for congress in the province of Sarangani and that a sensational showing would boost his chances of winning.
Still, Arum said that should everything falls into place – meaning Pacquiao topples Cotto – he will begin talks with the camp of Floyd Mayweather.
He said he will give himself two weeks to close out a deal with Mayweather’s camp, but if the talks fail, he will find somebody else.
The talk right now remains that neither fighter will accept 50-50, but if the fight is going to get made, either Cotto-Pacquiao has to match Mayweather-Marquez's 1 million PPV buys (or top it), or if it doesn't, Manny and Arum are going to have to budge. Floyd's now-proven PPV track record is amazingly strong and generates far more revenue than Pacquiao's good PPV track record, plus the fact that Manny is a better live draw. They'd sell out, but they'd sell out in Vegas, making, what, $8-10 million for the gate? Mayweather just pulled in over $50 million on PPV with Marquez.
Mayweather against a Pacquiao that beats Cotto is a fight that just might take a run at the Oscar-Floyd PPV record. I wouldn't bet on it (nor do I think it would take No. 2 from Lewis-Tyson), but then nobody thought Mayweather was selling a million against Marquez, either.
All reports from the training camps of both Pacquiao and Cotto have been terrific. It looks for all the world like we're about six weeks away from a killer fight.
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March is fine by me, Mayweather not so much
I want to comment before anybody else, because I expect many of the opinions will look a little like this: “Manny’s in serious trouble if he’s looking beyond Cotto…that dude’s going to knock his big Pinoy head off”.
Ok, Cotto may well knock Pac’s head off. But we need to accede that boxing is, amongst many other things, a business, and smart businesses plan ahead. So lets not sh*t ourselves over this.
That aside, I feel I must add my voice to a decent if not too sizable group of fans who are not incredibly interested in a Pac-May fight. I know it will make a ton of cash and we can all cream ourselves every Saturday over the inevitable 24/7 – but we don’t see a cent of that mullah and we can slap on MTV if we need to watch poorly made documentaries.
Will it actually be a good fight? I doubt it. Granted, probably more so than Marq-May, but not much better. The fact is that Mayweather can probably beat Pac over 12 boring rounds. He’s bigger, almost as fast, and he stinks a square out faster than a cornered skunk. Honestly, I’d be more interested in a Marquez rubber match (is it a rubber match if it’s a draw and a win?), a May-Mosley or WIlliams or Cotto match up, or something as looney as Pac-Valero (it would be fun, right?).
Do I want to see Pac back by March after Cotto, regardless of the outcome? Certainly.
Do I want to see Pac-Mayweather? Not particularly.
by MCM on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily want to watch Pacquaio-Mayweather
But I want the fight to happen. I too think Mayweather would cruise to a boring decision, but at this point, it would just leave way too many “what ifs” if they don’t face each other. Two top 50 all-time fighters around the same weight class in their primes at the same time – it’s a fight that needs to get made for historical purposes.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am also starting to feel like I’d rather see Mayweather-Cotto over Mayweather-Pacquiao. But I don’t know if Floyd will fight Cotto. And in any event, I doubt that Joe Sixpack agrees.
by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Sixpack? youbetcha!
taco pal are you Sarah Palin? “I can see Alaska from my house”
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Oct 5, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re thinking of Joe the Plumber. Easily confused.
by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I was just joking around. looks kind of smart assed in retrospect…
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this weight
Pac will BRUTALLY KO Marquez. I have no interest at this point. Pac’s power didn’t just carry as he went up in weight it grew. For all DLH’s self promotional talk about how Manny hit him with pillows he certainly didn’t look like he wanted to come out and continue to walk through those shots like he was happy to do to Gayweather.
Let it be known now. If Pac beats Cotto clearly Mayweather will duck him by asking for an unreasonable split
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 5, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said I think you make a good point here.
Honestly the Pacman fight I want to see the most is against Marquez back at 130 pounds. I don’t understand why they are taking the risk taking on a guy like Cotto. I’m a huge Pac fan but that fight is just fraught with dangers and not only could Cotto beat Pac but he could hurt him pretty badly too. The fight makes no sense and the deck is stacked against the fighter whoose only fought once at that weightclass.
On the other hand the fight I want to see the most with Mayweather is against Paul Williams. I think that’d be the most intriguing fight. PWill has only been defeated once and he learnt from his mistake in devestating fashion in the rematch.
I’d rather see Pac take on Marquez for his last fight at 130 and then Cotto vs Mayweather, winner fights PWill. Of course thats never going to happen but if anybody cared about what the fans wanted…
by MannyPacquiao on Oct 6, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How Can Pretty Boy v. Pac Suck?
I think it would be a great fight, it’s a stylistic recipe for a badass collision. I disagree with this comment from above:
“The fact is that Mayweather can probably beat Pac over 12 boring rounds”
Pac doesn’t fight that way. While JMM had trouble figuring out who to be against Floyd, Pac knows instinctively how to attack, and he does it against everyone he fights.
Now, Pac v. Floyd may be short, I can see Floyd countering and KO’ing Pac quickly BECAUSE of Pac’s style as a ‘come on’ fighter, but as long as he’s upright, Pac will bring it.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Oct 5, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I don’t think Floyd is going to commit enough to any of his punches to hurt Manny (also, I do think that Manny’s chin has gotten better as he’s filled out…rare for a fighter going up in weight, but it happens). He’s not going to want to get into exchanges with Pacquiao, being that Manny’s handspeed rivals if not exceeds his own(his shadow-boxing routine still amazes me). If it happens, I expect Floyd to masterfully control the distance, confuse Manny with angles, potshot him at will and cruise to a boring UD.
However, I am HOPING that Manny’s style proves too weird for Floyd and that “Money” underestimates every facet of Manny’s game, thereby opening the door for a Pacquiao upset, hopefully by stoppage. But I’m probably dreaming.
by Areglado on Oct 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how you can say Pac’s chin has gotten better as he’s moved up, he may have been hit three times since fighting JMM last.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Oct 5, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Manny’s overall punch resistance has gotten better ever since he’s stopped trying to be a flyweight. I was surprised at how cleanly and how regularly he took punches from Marquez and Morales as a featherweight and junior-lightweight without going down. I also thought he took a couple of solid shots from Ricky pretty well…what little Ricky managed to land of course.
By the time Pacquiao hit his late 20s his body just couldn’t get under 130 comfortably anymore. He’d been saying that for sometime, though many, myself included, thought he didn’t know what he was talking about, that he belonged at 130 and under. Well, the guy knows his body better than we do, and look at him now. He’s never looked as lethal. It’s been said repeatedly by the HBO crew that he looks like a “natural” at every weight class he’s been in. And well, that’s probably because he’s finally let his body grow to where it was supposed to.
by Areglado on Oct 5, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when was the last time someone who 'knows how to attack'
Was actually able to reach Mayweather consistently? At Pacquiao’s height, I don’t know that he’ll be able to reach Mayweather much better than Marquez did, even if he’s better at setting up his offense.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, exactly. The only chance Manny would have is if a) Floyd vastly underestimates Pacquiao’s speed and Manny manages to close the distance quicker than Floyd can react, and do so consistently b) Floyd tries to prove something by fighting more (yeah right…) c) Manny manages to land a lucky monster shot early that takes Floyd out of his game plan. None of these scenarios seem likely at all. Say what you want about Floyd, but I can’t remember the last time I saw a fighter could adjust as well as he does mid-fight. Even if Manny somehow surprises him early, Floyd will adapt.
by Areglado on Oct 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Floyd fought someone who can attack like Manny?
Maybe Zab as far as speed goes, and Zab hurt Floyd. The thing is Pac is more reckless than Zab, which leads me to believe Pac’s getting KO’d in spectacular fashion.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Oct 5, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a few years ago, I’d have agreed with you about Pacquiao being reckless. He’s still unorthodox, still fights really weird, but I wouldn’t call him “reckless” anymore. Not generally anyway. He can get reckless, yes, when he smells blood. Like in the Hatton fight when he started winging shots at Ricky that backed him into a corner, but landed on nothing but glove.
by Areglado on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brickhaus, I agree
The whole time I was watching Marquez struggle with Mayweather, I was thinking, “what would Manny do?” Certainly he would apply greater pressure and speed – but could he close the distance to apply those great attributes of his? And would he be capable of shutting down the ring by bullying Mayweather into his sort of fight the way someone like Castillo did the first time out? I don’t think so.
To my mind Mosley woud be the better faster-power man for the job. Or Paul Williams. Physically, I think he is a nightmare for Floyd.
As much as I love to watch Pacquiao and am amazed at his evolution as he climbs the scales, I don’t see Pac-May as a good stylistic match up.
by MCM on Oct 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
24/7
I think this may be the first 24/7 that makes me not want to buy the fight. It’s going to be pretty boring unless Cotto is going to start employing crazy training tactics, cause we know what to expect from Freddie and Pac. This will be the first one without serious star power (ODLH) or some serious smack talking (Mayweathers or RJJ) so potential for boring is extremely high. Also probably going to be subtitle-riffic but that is the least of this series faults. If they can make these two fighters interesting, they deserve an emmy for the rest of time.
by waldo47 on Oct 5, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“We’re not looking past Cotto…. but after Pacquiao beats Cotto he is going to fight Mayweather in March.”
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Oct 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ridiculous isn't it....
They really should just shut down any talk of a next fight or Mayweather, because this is very likely to be the toughest fight of his career, and announcing the date of your ‘next’ fight is frankly disrespectful, underestimating Cotto (with no good reason) and I hope that come the morning of November 15th, they have to re-evaluate the date of the next fight and who its going to be against.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Oct 6, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
March 2010
That is a long way from now I know America wants that fight but it going to be the same thing he fighting a smaller man! They wont fight because of the 50 50 thing they both think they are the main attractions we see Floyd did 1 million on his own with JMM. I think they should do 50 50 with the winner gettting 60-40 is they both think they are really going to win but I see floyd beating him easily and beating mosley cause he is old and cotto cuz he is slow the best fight for Floyd is Paul williams if he couls still make 147 he would force floyd in to fighting I thin k Paul would be the only one to really beat or make floyd fight I think floyd would not risk it!
by baller4life on Oct 5, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be hilarious if the tables are turned and Cotto beats Pacquiao.
I think Eddie Murphey said it best when I quote him: “I was called to do the role of Officer Cater on Rush Hour but I turned it down to wear a bathrobe in Miami to do Holy Man. But then Holy Man bombed at the box office and I was like oh shit [laughter]”
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
by Sickle on Oct 5, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the only thing killer about this fight will be pacquiao’s manilla ice sonnnnnnnnnn
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Oct 5, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Night Cotto!
I’m so tired…… I just can’t get right……….. Hey everybody, I’m still shell shocked from the Margarita fight, which was shown in my last fight against Clottey. Will someone please give me a reason to join Trinidad for a cold beer.
by Haans Bishop on Oct 7, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Paq gets by Mayweather
U guys are crazy to think Paq will beat Mayweather if he gets by Cotto Did u see the fight with JMM! All that going to be said is he to big he gets no credit for anything I give Manny all the respect but he has not yet fought a fighter who does not get hit and can box with Mayweather speed trust me the only one who can beat Maywearther is Paul Williams because of his geight Manny to small I promise u that all the power u think he has will be negated by a boxer!
by baller4life on Oct 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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