Cotto-Pacquiao Weigh-In Live at 6pm ET
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 4:48 PM EST
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Both ESPN and HBO will have live coverage of the 6pm ET weigh-in for Cotto-Pacquiao, and we'll be covering it live if you're stuck at work or the like. Frankly, if I have to abandon that N'dou-Hatton fight, that's what will happen. We WILL give you the weights as they come in, posted in the comments of this entry, updating live with no refreshing necessary for those that have an SB Nation account.
Hopefully this will be less eventful than the Mayweather-Marquez weigh-in, and will lack horrible radio personalities and D.L. Hughley attempting to spice up the proceedings.
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how about some shots from Top Rank's undercard presser?
All photos by Chris Farina, from Top Rank’s Facebook
Troy Rowland, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Daniel Santos, Yuri Foreman
Alfonso Gomez, Jesus Soto Karass
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No clue why JSK decided to take his shirt off. Confusion? Were there many ladies?
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still wearing his watch and necklace though.
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he was doing a tribute to the great Matthew McConaughey
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Probably get more chicks if we took our shirts off.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYD2cwMbpw
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a D.L. Hughley of the Philippines?
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
here in vegas. would yall believe the weigh in is packed? like they arent letting anyone more in cuz theyre at capacity.
by ianflo on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I believe it. This fight is big, and these guys are live attractions.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the atmosphere is absolutely electric. i been to a bunch of pacman fights before, not since diaz since i couldnt get tix to dlh or hatton, but its pretty undeniable how big of an event this really is.
by ianflo on Nov 13, 2009 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Heading home now
So I should be able to get Hatton-N’Dou if you need to cut out. Just need to know where.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like it’ll be fine. N’dou-Hatton fight is leading the Sky broadcast and about to start, so it shouldn’t cut into any of the actual weigh ins.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heading home now
So I should be able to get Hatton-N’Dou if you need to cut out. Just need to know where.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
weights coming in
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Soto Karass at 148
A pound over the limit, if their limit is 147
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Alfonso Gomez at 145.5
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Soto Karass going nude for a re-weigh
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Soto Karass at 147.5 on the re-weigh
He has to lose a half-pound.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh good it's Michael Buffer
Jesus, this place is FILLED.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Juan Manuel Lopez in the house
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Roberto Duran in the house
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He WAS??? Did he look like he put on a few more?
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
atmosphere is coming through even on the webcast
Tomorrow is going to be insane. Brandon Jacobs is here.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so golden boy has AC Slater, while top rank has brandon jacobs. think top rank won that battle
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ughhhhhhhhhhhh i’m not going to get any sleep tonight
its MEGAFIGHT WEEKEND folks, and its gonna rock
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh Jesus Christ, it’s Jeremy Piven, who actually thinks he’s Ari Gold now.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Piveon on 24/7 last week :“did you work with him on that what is it a hook/jab/uppercut (feigns curiousity)”
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was so fucking painful to watch.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf is ari gold doing here
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He’s a big boxing fan.
…and he made a “Kirstie Alley is fat” joke. And then a Bugle Boy joke. Jesus Christ.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he should have an HBO writer following him around at ALL times
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently. He’s about as good at this as he is selling himself as the lead in a film.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Piven is bombing
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh shittttttttt PACQUIOAOOAOAOAOOAOAAAAAAAAAA
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Manny hits the stage!
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
manny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BOOOOOOOOOOO COTTO booooooooooo
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is live on tv now btw
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can’t change horses in mid-stream. Or reach the remote.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacquiao hitting the scales
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i’m guessing 144
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i’m clairvoyant folks
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MANNY PACQUIAO AT 144
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
147.5 for cotto
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i’m guessing NOTT OFFICIAL WEIGHT
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto stepping on the scales
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MIGUEL COTTO AT 145
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Take note, Floyd. That’s how a pro weighs in.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn it, he made weight
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so we need piven to get the show on the road
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Michael Buffer can’t find Jeremy Piven – stop the show!
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ari gold is offended that cotto dared to take the mic away from him
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol piven is an asshole. he barely knows english, and piven just looks at him like he’s stupid cuz he couldn’t answer the question properly
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and now back to jay cutler coverage on espn.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great atmosphere though
Hard not to be really fired up about this one
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what celebrity would be good at that job, but surely there has to be someone better than Jeremy Piven or D.L. Hughley.
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OH JEREMY PIVEN YOU'RE SO EDGY
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Piven just oozes douchebag....
….what kind of questions are these……? "So do you have sex when you train? der der der
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just stupid
but still, Pac-Man has to be the happiest fighter of all time.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 13, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No more "nighttime"
for pac-man when training starts.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 13, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i don’t buy PIven as a boxing fan, i don’t think he knows what the hell he’s talking about
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well he could be a big boxing fan, but maybe not a hardcore one. for ex, he probably likes watching dudes bash skulls, but doesn’t care about the art behind it
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can care about the art, it still doesn’t mean he pays attention to much beyond the big stuff, you know?
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
you’d think the Phillipines and Puerto Rico had declared war on one other.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
they did… IN THE RING
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and only in the Ring…i know a lot of Puerto Ricans that love them some Manny Pacquiao, me included, i’d just be happier if Cotto won
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Other than Mexico, are there any bigger boxing countries in the world right now? Maybe Cuba, but you can’t really count them.
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from what i’ve heard Japan seems to realllyyyyyyy love their boxers
and puerto rico isn’t a country :)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
someone forgot to tell Bernard Hopkins that…
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boxing isn't huge generally in Japan though
There’s just a culty of personality behind a few of its major boxing stars. The star fighters are bigger than star fighters are in the U.S., but they develop the stars and not the sport over there. Give people the choice, and K1 is much more popular anyway.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Jacobs...
BOOOOO………….
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
booo cowboys
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.......
BOOOO COWBOYS………
GGGOOOOOOOOOO TEXAAAANNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS!!
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as a fellow cowboy hater you have to “root” for every nfc east team to knock the cowboys out of the playoffs
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TRUE....
………but I don’t care for Eli. They can blow that division up for all I care.
F THE TITANS
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jacobs is much more authentic than piven. god damn piven
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs probably could have been a pretty scary boxer
had he gone that direction. Great athleticism for his size.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 13, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
makes you wonder about a ton of NBA/NFL guys who coulda boxed
by FunnyBigHat on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You never know who’d have a good enough chin. But definitely, if everyone in the NBA/NFL boxed, you’d have to think at least a few of them would have been great.
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a....
Vernon Maxwell-Ron Artest main event……….?
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ron artest via shanking
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno....
….MAxwell went into the stands long before it was cool to do it…..
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacquiao at 147 is not as big a puncher as any of those guys Jacobs mentioned, i think that’ll be the difference should Cotto win
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he is.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the first two rounds will answer that question
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
according to roach
it won’t go that far ;)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s a better puncher than Clottey. Clottey really isn’t much of a puncher at all. He’s a very good boxer and has enough power to keep guys honest, but bleh.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which other guys did he mention? I had to turn it off because of Piven.
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mosley, Judah, and i’ll throw in Ricardo Torres myself for good measure
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s how I’d rank Cotto’s welterweight opponents in power:
Mosley
Margarito + Plaster
Pacquiao
Zab
Clottey
Quintana
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if pacquiao hits harder than torres, but he is a better finisher. fo sho
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
other than bhop who has? if oscar hadn’t quit he would have been dropped the very next round fo sho
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Prolly would have taken a knee....
…and stayed down
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The referee could easily have stopped that bout at any time, and told Oscar he was about to if things didn’t change, so Oscar quit. I’d say he finished him just fine.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the speed is a factor as well....
Pacquiao hits almost as hard as Torres….but is 8x faster……might pose a problem
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and he’s a better a puncher. torres had cotto at the gates of heaven a few times during that classic fight, but he’s a little too “wild” and couldn’t put him out of his misery.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Pacquiao is way more precise.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If by better, you mean more accurate, then yes. But shot for shot, I gotta say Torres seems like a much heavier puncher, if ,say, you were measuring it their punches the way they were doing Ivan Drago’s in Rocky IV.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i meant, accurate/precise/not wide.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he dies....he dies.....
Pac Monster’s punches get there a lot faster than Torres’ do……that means a whole hell of a lot when you are actually in the fight.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, absolutely. It’s the speed and angle of his shots that really hurt dudes.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Mosely's punches get there pretty fast as well......
…..and Cotto stood up to those just fine…..makes for a very interesting fight.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when it comes to pure raw aggression, pacquiao is obv superior to mosley
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither does Mosley use the angles Manny uses. Last couple years, he’s been a pretty straight ahead kinda fighter. A really fast one, but straight ahead nonetheless.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if Cotto weathers the storm in the first few rounds....
then it will get interesting for Pacquiao who hasn’t gone the distance with someone as big as Cotto……
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first few rounds are going to be the focus of my final preview later. It’s been the sticking point in my head all week.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say, this is where the disparity between the quality of Manny’s sparring partners and Cotto’s will definitely show.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny got a virtual physical double of Cotto in Porter, a Body Punching specialist in Castillo, another pressure fighter in Antillon…
No disrespect to Tukes and Abril, but, well, you know…?
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo.........meh
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How would you all rate Cotto as a counterpuncher? B? B+? If, let’s say, Juan Manuel Marquez is an A and Ricky Hatton is a C? (Even in his heyday, Hatton wasn’t exactly a great counterpuncher.)
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto is a solid B. Maaaybe B plus. Here’s the thing: think about the speed of the counterpunches. Compare Cotto’s and Marquez. See, even if “technically” they’re comparable skillwise (and they really aren’t, in my opinion), Marquez’s comes at a much higher velocity — a velocity Pacquiao is familiar with. So just because Cotto KNOWS which counter to throw, it doesn’t mean it’s going to land.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally thought the way Morales boxed Pacquiao in their first fight was excellent and could still be applied very well as a blue print or even as a game plan. It’s going to be really interesting seeing what Cotto has in store plan-wise.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 13, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were Cotto, I’d rush him. Cover up well, bull him to the ropes, unload. It’s not like Manny is any good on the inside. In fact, he downright sucks on the inside, in my opinion.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well i, a notorious cotto despiser/pacquiao lover, have said before. cotto might have a chance if he went to war with pacman, but he’s not. he’s not “shot” or “shellshocked”, but he’s not going to want to war it out with pacman. he’s going to try to box, and he’s going to get demolished by doing so. cotto’s in a catch-22, and there is no way out for him
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you despise Cotto? Even Manny likes him.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s probably going to invite him to the concert after, or even his birthday in December. Watch.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just my contrarian attitude. i see people like lampley crying and drooling over cotto, and i don’t buy into it. i have nothing against him personally and i love to watch him fight, but i’d prefer to see him get KO’d every time he enters the ring :)
that and i’m mexican and i loathe every puerto rican boxer to ever exist :)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, Battle Axe:Cotto::BLee:Jeter
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Nov 13, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But most people are drooling over Pac right now, and he is the Mexicutioner
by Polish Rifle on Nov 13, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but i hate JMM/Barrera (mexicutioner victims), and pacquiao actually deserves all the praise
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Mexican....
You hate all Puerto Rican fighters.
You hate two of the best Mexican fighters of this generation.
You love the dude that beat the shit out of those great Mexican fighters.
OK, I am officially confused.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Nov 13, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, JMM has made remarks that Chicanos and Tejanos would be “half-Mexican.” Something that some of them apparently take exception to.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Areglado
I was at the Diaz_Marquez fight when Marquez spewed that shit about being stronger than Diaz cuz he was “100% Mexican”….screw that guy……
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. But you don’t need to discredit someone else’s while you’re at it. Know what I mean?
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So do Marquez and Barrera
And they have the added benefit of being, um, actually Mexican.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Nov 13, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i respect both JMM and barrera as fighters, but i hate them personally. barrera comes off as a huge prick, and JMM is a whiny sumbitch. pacquiao is humble, as arreglado said fights like a mexican.
also arreglado just put up a new comment which actually strikes home to my heart. in his pre-fight interview right before the baby bull fight, he called me a “50% mexican” which is worthless to his eyes. so fuck him i’m not gonna take that laying down
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Straight. I’ve never liked Barrera (Morales all the way, baby!). And Marquez, though I admire his skill set so much, just came across as such a baby! Wanna beat Pacquiao??? Quit ending up on your ass!
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The last time I saw Morales address Barrera was the Countdown show for Pacquiao-Morales III. I still and will forever love his one line about his old rival: “He’s a motherfucker.”
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by SC on Nov 13, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was that after they had just showed barrera giving morales some long overdue respect? that was a hilarious one-liner
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Barrera just doesn’t come across as particularly genuine. Morales is notoriously sullen, even choleric, but at least you know what you’re getting.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Morales guy......
dude is an asshole…..but he can fight like a motherfucker.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could box a little too…but man did he love to just throw down.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he had underrated boxing skills.....
but it was more fun to see him stand in and trade with a guy and then cuss him out at the end of a round
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I follow the same logic.....
…but there’s no way a fan can hate Tito Trinidad…..
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as it comes to being Mexican American and disliking PR fighters...
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tito robbed DLH, so f tito
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DLH was robbed....
…..but I could I have done without the Usain Bolt impersonation….
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised you guys don’t hate him more for blasting Vargas in the nuts. Not that I’m a fan of Vargas.
Oh, and Oscar had that fight won. He ran.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.....
Tito got away with it……Chico did it to Castillo by spitting out his mouthpiece…..so if it works……screw it.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
About Oscar.....
it still blows the mind that he ran like that against Tito. He was whooping his ass when he actually stood there and fought…….blows the mind.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you seem to be forgetting that that fight was against pacquiao v2. this is pacquiao v3 who is significantly much better than v2
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean, the Morales fight? That was Pacquiao v1, still, I think. And you’re right, this version is light-years better.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even the Morales fight was early v2
Watch the Ledabwa or Sakasul fights and he was even more limited then
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by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that’s what i was getting at. really small pacquiao was as limited as limited can be, and when he demolished barrera he was still a one handed guy but he was such a beast that he could get away with it with MOST guys (JMM I, Morales I). now obv pacquiao has evolved beyond anything he has ever been (v3)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frightening ain’t it? I never thought I’d be thinking up Pacquiao vs JCC Sr. Dream Matches in my head, but I do. I do all the time.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the first and very probably the last time I’m going to apply physics to a fight. You will have to forgive me for this, blame my father’s influence as he is a physicist and a mathematician!
F=ma (sort of but let’s not get into all that!)
This is the same as force= mass times acceleration
Essentially the speed of a punch will add to its power and this is why I personally beleive that if a boxer retains speed as they move up in weight, as Manny has done, then their power will grow relatively. A silly theory maybe but I like it and it’s part of the reason i am picking Manny.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 13, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well if physics supports pacquiao i have no idea how cotto has a chance at winning!
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gahh! I should have paid more attention in class.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
F Science
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that you, President Bush?
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Nov 13, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Santos at 154, Foreman at…whatever, he was on weight.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foreman at 154 too
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what Roach and Santiago were arguing about. Anyone catch that?
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so do they…its not like they understood each other
by JohnUtah on Nov 13, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thought Cotto looked good
didn’t look to dehydrated to me, and he’ll be pretty imposing tomorrow
by FunnyBigHat on Nov 13, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he looked fine from what I could tell.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He looked really good, actually. Although, he did seem a bit weary when Piven was interviewing him, a bit disoriented,a bit hesitant. Then again, it could just be Piven.
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto’s never been really confident in his English and doesn’t like to say a whole lot. Plus Jeremy Piven looked like he smelled like Pete Yorn’s underwear doused in Jose Cuervo.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 13, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least it wasn't Judah Friedlander
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by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto's English.....
makes for some really strange quotes. He always says “pretty” when he means “very,” leading to some comments that make him sound unsure of himself. “I’m pretty confident in my abilities.” “It’s been a pretty hard camp.”
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Nov 13, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good observation
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Nov 14, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Piven is no boxing fan. “Lead…right…hook…jab…” (from 24/7) Ugh….please…
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And then Freddie was like “that’s my baby” as if he knew what Piven was talking about. Sure, Freddie.
by taco pal on Nov 13, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else notice the ruckus going on behind Pacman and Cotto as they were getting their pictures taken?
by Areglado on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
prolly the typical trainer trash talk between trainers.....
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 13, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goddammit.
I have my Tecate form, and bought my 12 of Tecate on the way home from work. Just read the fine print.
Virginia residents only get 6 freaking dollars. Bullshit.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Nov 13, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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