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So, if you're a boxing fan and I assume you all are, don't watch this unless you actually enjoy getting mad.

The really egregious part begins around the 2:10 mark.

A few thoughts on this.

First, Colin Cowherd may be the perfect manifestation of everything that's wrong with American sports fandom today. He perfectly embodies the Brett Favre/Derek Jeter/Kobe-vs-Lebron/ESPN celebrity starf***er mentality, and he does it unashamed.

Second, we all know that boxing has a lot of problems in this day and age. The leaders of the sport need to do a better job at marketing, they need to get corruption out of the sport, etc. We all agree on that. But you know what? Even if boxing put its own house perfectly in order, it would have to contend with the fact that most American sports fans are just plain stupid. There are at least three intertwined strains of thinking in the mass culture that would present huge problems for boxing no matter what it did.

1. American sports fans only care about American athletes, and not only that, they are conditioned to assume that American athletes are always the best no matter what. If athletes in a sport appear to disprove that preconceived notion in proportions greater than those you see in, say, baseball, then American sports fans will either lose interest in the sport or assume there's something wrong with the sport. You can see this play out to a lesser degree in men's tennis. Even though this might be the greatest era in the entire history of that sport, the popularity of the sport in America is tepid at best. But at least men's tennis players tend to be European and speak English. What hope does a sport like boxing have with so many non-English speakers in its elite?

2. The Cotto-Pacquiao fight is a great ambassador for the sport. So are fights like Vazquez-Marquez (which SC wrote about recently), Marquez-Pacquiao, Cotto-Mosley, etc. But you know what? I am fully convinced that if you'd forced Colin Cowherd and Michelle Beadle to sit in front of a TV set for Marquez-Vazquez III, they would not have enjoyed it! When they complain about "small man" boxing being too "technical" in the above clip, they're not just saying they need offense and KOs in order to like the sport. What they want are haymakers like the ones you used to see in the Rocky movies. The casual American sports fan's attention span is too short to enjoy even the most technically proficient offense-oriented boxing.

3. Regarding the MMA-oriented comments in the clip: there is a class of serious MMA fan out there whose members are really knowledgeable about their sport and who are fans because they really appreciate the finer points of MMA and who don't see a need to take a dump on boxing. I take it that the people who post over at the sister SBN blog fit into that category. But they are outnumbered by hordes of brainless casual fans of MMA who have no appreciation for the intricacies of MMA and who only prefer MMA to boxing because MMA is "in" and boxing is "out" or because MMA is "cool" and boxing is "uncool." It's no different than the mentality of middle school kids who sneer at their classmates who wear the wrong brands of clothes. These are the same people who probably still think that Kimbo Slice is the Tiger Woods of MMA because of stuff they vaguely recall hearing around the water cooler at work. It's incredibly aggravating, but I don't think there's much that the leaders of boxing can do to combat that mentality because it isn't based on anything rational or factual. All you can do is wait for boxing to come back into style.

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I guess I can’t embed? Here’s the link while I try to fix it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwco1SSCtA

by taco pal on Nov 14, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OK, there we go.

by taco pal on Nov 14, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah nice post.

I actually like PTI because it brings back memories of passing ‘it’ around for hours after class, BUT – when they talk boxing or tennis I change the channel. I actually cringe when those two sports are brought up, just because I know ESPN talking heads are about to say some really stupid shit.

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah they’ve gotten pretty bad about hockey too (and I’m not even that big a hockey fan, just trying to be objective). And even baseball, for that matter.

by taco pal on Nov 14, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good lord i fucking hate that sportsnation guy

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 14, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that they shouldn't talk about what they know nothing about

But the fact they’re talking about boxing at all (and not just saying “who cares about boxing”) is a step in the right direction.

With the woman, the problem is that she’s probably only watched the big Mayweather fights before. A lot of younger casual fans probably don’t even realize that there can BE brutal wars involving little guys. Not that welterweight is really all that small.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

She seemed to be familiar with Sugar Ray Leonard & co. But I suppose that could have just been from research she did for the show.

by taco pal on Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She probably remembers them from when she was a kid

But it’s not like Sugar Ray was exciting either. He was more like Mayweather. Huge following, but pretty technical with flashy talent.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 14, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me rephrase that

I have no problem with them talking about what they don’t know about (any publicity for the sport is good publicity), but they shouldn’t make believe that they’re analysts if they have no idea what they’re analysing.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 14, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“i don’t like little guys fighting” is about as moronic of a statement as one can say nowadays when it comes to boxing.

V-M trilogy, Gatti-Ward trilogy (he considers cotto little so he’ll consider gatti little), M-Barrera trilogy, Pacman-M trilogy, Corrales-Castillo I, are WAYYYYYYYY more brutal than anything that douche has ever seen

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by battle axe of doom on Nov 14, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baby steps

I’d rather they talk stupid about boxing than not talk about boxing at all.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 14, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps them talking stupidly about it causes harm whereas them not talking about it causes no difference. Actually I’m inclined to agree that any publicity is good. The reporting around the Haye-Valuev fight in Britian was shocking in terms of bias and misrepresentation but I was still really pleased to see boxing on front pages and talk about it with non-fan friends.

regardless of that it’s hard not to be annoyed by a lot of the comments here. They actually made me think “hey sky sports ain’t that bad”. Nothign should ever make me think that!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowherd is a known idiot.

He says stupid stuff just to get attention.

If you choose to listen to him it is your own fault.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 2:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As far as boxing not being appreciated by the majority of sports fans is concerned, two quotes jump to mind.

One is from George Foreman

boxing is like jazz, the better it is the less people appreciate it

I reckon there’s a lot of truth in that. Mayweather is a far superior boxer to say, Corrales, but not one of his fights comes even close to being as entertaining as Corrales vs Castillo. However Maywether still has a masive following and I highly doubt that casual sports fans can tell me who Castillo or Corrales are. This an odd one and I think fans are less affected by the spectacle and more by the image.
I liked the comments during the post about MMA being in and boxing being out. I reckon a lot of casual sports fans are influenced by this. Not all of course but a fair few.

The other quote is from Max Kellerman, who does say some intersting things regardless of what many fans may think of him, and is from the Diaz-Malignaggi fight.
I’m paraphrasing but basically he said.

If you are walking down a street and on one corner there is a guy playing a bit of golf, and on another there are some people playing baseball, and in the middle of the street there’s a fist fight, I can guaruntee you that a big crowd will be around the fight.

This is an example of how combat sports can have such a particular appeal and such an individual excitement. I personally feel that boxing’s image has suffered due to many reasons in recent years but things are picking up big time and I genuinely beleive boxing will enioy a resurgance one day soon.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That Kellerman quote is priceless.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 15, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Colin can get over is head sometimes.

by bigislandboi808 on Nov 15, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

he wants

“big strong guys beating on each other”

uh… yeah

and the home of the... JETS!!!

Go, Pac, Go!!! Manny Pacquiao!!!

by dvdvil on Nov 18, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I suggest he watches Kimbo Slice pounding people’s face’s in a street. It seems that to him that is the highest form of combat sport. Also What the hell was the pound for pound thing all about? He made almost no sense, I get that he was trying to make a joke but he just sounded like he didn’t understand a really quite simple concept.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 18, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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