Return of the King: Manny Pacquiao dominates Miguel Cotto
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:44 AM EST
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Manny Pacquiao was sensational tonight in Las Vegas, knocking down Miguel Cotto twice, battering him throughout the majority of the fight, and forcing Kenny Bayless to stop the fight in the 12th round of a dominant performance, giving Pacquiao his 50th career win and arguably his most impressive.
Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) floored Cotto on timing shots in the third and fourth rounds, but after Cotto looked sharp, strong and fast early, he was dominated over the latter half of the fight. Pacquiao proved that there is no questioning his power at this weight, and no questioning his ability to take a good shot, either. He walked through some strong punches from Cotto (34-2, 27 KO) and seemed to barely feel them. Pacquiao, on the other hand, was able to hurt Cotto consistently.
He was faster, stronger, and better. Miguel Cotto isn't old, wasn't drained, isn't "overrated." Cotto did all he could tonight, but he was laid to waste by a superior fighter.
Pacquiao is now the WBO welterweight titleholder, the seventh weight class in which he's won a major title, the first man to ever do that.
Pacquiao's return has been rumored to be March 13, 2010, but that may move. Promoter Bob Arum had floated the idea of a Cotto-Pacquiao rematch if it was a great fight. It was an entertaining fight, and a masterful performance from Pacquiao, but it was not a great fight, and a rematch would be useless. There was no doubt. Cotto was pulled out of the fight by referee Kenny Bayless almost as soon as he was hit hard one time by Pacquiao in the 12th.
Bayless, unlike Cotto's corner, protected the fighter. Cotto was on his bike most of the latter rounds, straight-up running from Pacquiao. He was demoralized and in some ways embarrassed. His pride took a hit tonight. Cotto showed clear fear of Pacquiao in many rounds, and there's no disputing that.
Manny Pacquiao is a fighter unlike any other in the world.
There will be much more tomorrow, perhaps tonight, and in the coming week. But is there any other fight besides Pacquiao-Mayweather now? As Pacquiao avoided the question of having a preference for his next opponent, the public will respond: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
There is no other fight for either man.
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How many buys
would a mayweather/pacquiao bring? Man, this could be so huge for boxing!
by lildrummerboy on Nov 15, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boxing, combat sports, even sports in general all NEED this fight to happen.
by gzl5000 on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Both comments.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have the ridiculous upper estimate
At 5 mil…which is the upper of all upper estimates
by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think 2 mil is very, very possible at this point. But we’ll see how Pac-Cotto did.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's impossible I think
But it would approach Mayweather-De La Hoya’s 2.6 million, and possibly surpass it
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR PACQUIAO!
I had TKO 10 and it ended TKO 12.
He is sensational.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha
I didn’t notice it at first, actually caught it when Luke blockquoted me at Bloody Elbow. Oops.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After the fight, Cotto called Pacquiao one of the greatest boxers of all time.
He is not exaggerating. Manny Pacquiao is unlike any fighter I have experienced in my active years as a fan.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
MJ (the bballer obv), Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, & Manny Pacquiao. the four ATG in their respective sport all during our generation
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I used the phrase ‘akin to MJ’ during the fight
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t see that. sorry for stealing your comparison/analogy/whatever it is
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no dude I said it to someone I was watching the fight with
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Dana would just allow FEDOR to co-promote.
The people want to see Brock vs. FEDOR before they get too old.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to BE
Brock has some crazy infection that threatens his career.
by tichbou on Nov 15, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...we live in a pretty awesome era of Sports. Glad to witness Magic and Bird too.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not a hockey fan, but yes he def belongs on the echelon of ATG
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gretzky and Jordan were one generation earlier, IMHO
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i’m probs using the word generation incorrectly. shoulda used “in my lifetime”
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i had pacquaio round 6, but i’ll take an EASY demolition of puerto rico’s favorite son any day
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t easy. Pacquiao worked very hard to break Cotto down.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rounds 7-12 looked pretty easy to me. lol sorry man i hope i’m not being too brash here but i’m a fanboy (obv) and this was f’ing awesome for me man i’m just high on fanboyism
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
7-12 were easy
But its not like Cotto came out looking like Hatton. Pacman had to break him down.
by tichbou on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, 7-12 was easy. But the first six he had to work his ass off. It was an incredible performance. He’s the man.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine the opposite of that
Yeah thats how the fight was to me….now only Andre Ward can quell my anger…
by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true. Cotto deserves respect. He showed tons of heart tonight.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
was that a mild chicken dance by cotto in 4th? i’m finally watching the azteca version
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We obliterated our biggest live thread ever tonight, by the way. Thanks to everyone that commented.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Including ItBurnz?
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not worth my time.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was bizarre.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been banned like 50 times from Bloody Elbow
We’re more forgiving of most of his antics, but he went over the top tonight
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That said, BE unbans him
I’m not so inclined to do so
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn i missed out on the drama.
@mikefareri on twitter.
by sonofapsycho on Nov 15, 2009 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen 3 users banned in 3 days on 2 different blogs including this one.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you should visit the Colts SBNation forum. at least a million texan bloggers got banned last week
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Just being trolls or upset about the Colts win?
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SC and I are pretty consistent on this one
Generally, we’re only going to ban someone for racism, homophobia or unwarranted personal attacks (or spam).
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. The rules are the rules and they’re made very clear. I HATE banning people, but he’s been warned about four times.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And somehow itburns managed to hit on all of those in one comment
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The guy who kept talking about Mosley being a cheater against Margarito (steroids reasons)
Was a good one.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he and I were just misunderstanding each other. We wound up talking in email. Nice dude!
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From now on
We should split up the threads once it hits about 500.
The comment engine degrades pretty severely once you go over about 500, and mobile commenting becomes all but impossible after about 500
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the biggest cards like this, I think we’re going to do an undercard thread and then a main event thread from now on.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed re mobile commenting
I found it really slow to get my one comment up as was on the mobile in the rbr, but am glad I contributed in a tiny way. Brilliant catching up on the commentary afterwards which surpassed SkySports here.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed…. Love reading the RbR’s, even a day after a fight
by Sweet science on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto quit towards the later rounds
He needs a KO to win and he ran away.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah but I think if he went for the KO he gets KO’d. That’s obviously the risk but what was not obvious before the fight was that Cotto couldn’t hurt Pac. And he couldn’t
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He delayed the inevitable but at least TRY
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh. He did. He flopped his nuts after the first and even the second KD, but he was getting hurt bad regularly, through out the fight
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wish he’d at least go down banging. Would have made it a legendary fight to end with one guy on his back.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 15, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Pacman/Mosley even a remote possibility if PBF ducks Manny?
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe depending on how good he looks in the berto fight. if he looks like margarito-mosley, fuck no
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Props to Cotto.
I know the running away bit wasn’t the best. But he wanted to stay there in the fight. He also played the first rounds well. He has also been a good man surrounding the fight, never rude or a jackass (unlike someone we all know…).
Cotto is a credit to his fans.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Nov 15, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even in his running, Cotto was often trying to find Manny coming in. He was out of ideas — that was the last one he had.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i was watching a grainy tiny screen and i could still see that cotto was completely and utterly lost. he was banking on being the bigger man (never works folks), and he was banking on the boxing skills that got him 6 rounds against margo/UD against mosley. i said previously that this fight was a Catch-22 for him, and he proved it
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
SC did you get my email from earlier today?
by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m about to get back to you.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah man I like many things about Cotto, as much as any fighter. I hope he hangs ‘em up now. He’s taken two savage beatings
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a little premature. he can probably KO berto to be honest
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
He still beats 99% of fighters at welter and everyone at 140
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s taken a (legit) demolition now, and that tissue around his eyes is getting worse now. you think he can still beat mosley (berto fight notwithstanding)?
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yous a mosley hater? didn’t know one existed. i’m neutral on the guy personally. gentleman, fantastic fighter, but robbed DLH twice so i dislike him
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll be ‘mush-mouthed’ in the future if he continues to fight. No joke intended but I think he’ll be punch-drunk later on. He got to the top, he lost to the best. Why go on?
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pay for his retirement
And his kids’ retirement
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I'd pick him to win a rematch against Mosley
But he’d beat everyone at 147 other than Mosley. Clottey and Berto are about 50/50 fights. Everyone else he whoops. If he goes back down to fighting Isaac Hlathswayo level fighters and makes less money, who would care? I’d still watch, and he’d still whoop the guys in the back end of the top 10
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is indeed true. like i said earlier in response to collins calling for cotto’s retirement. if berto loses on january, i’m sure HBO can make some kind of WCB card in which both guys get easy tune ups and fight each other as a comeback to the elite type of thing
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word up. He certainly did not embarass himself tonight. Class act all the way.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Margarito's punishment for plaster gloves is to now fight Pacquiao upon the end of his suspension.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
for free
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sparring partner, but without headgear
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or a mouthpiece or vaseline
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacquiao-Mayweather is inevitable...
The payday would be too big for Mayweather to run away from, and even if he won’t say it, Pacquiao wants it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this fight happen in May next year.
Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!
by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not so sure. The risk is a savage beating. he can continue to make dough, not that dough in one fight, but without the risk. That’s his MO if you ask me.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather can’t carry a ppv like Pacquiao can. Who else is there for Mayweather to fight that can make him good money going forward?
Also, while I expect Pacquiao would beat Mayweather, I doubt Mayweather takes a savage beating. He’s too good a defender for that.
Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!
by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 15, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PBF just got 1 mil buys. The meme of PBF not selling is dying.
by tichbou on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Off the back of Marquez
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
by RoyalB on Nov 15, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather-Hatton EASILY outsold Pac-Hatton
Mayweather-Hoya easily outsold Pac-Hoya. Mayweather got 1 million buys in a fight everyone knew was a mismatch (and Mayweather even had the audacity to market it as a mismatch). We’ll see where the buys come back on this one, but Mayweather is the bigger PPV draw until I’m proven otherwise.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Pacquiao is easily the better live draw
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
24/7 said
That the live gate was around $9 million. So to match the around $55 mil he needs to do about $45 mil in PPV so thats about 750,000 buys. So this is assuming the everyone is buying the $60 one….those be the numbers.
by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll almost guarantee they shredded 750K.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing in the neighborhood of 1M
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
Maybe over. My initial prediction was 900K, but seeing the press coverage this week, I’m convinced it had to do 1M. Huge fight.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t the HBO broadcast team mention that buys were looking to be north of Mayweather-Marquez during the fight tonight?
by Nick_ on Nov 15, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it had some great tracking. The rumors were saying this was going to challenge Oscar-Tito’s 1.4M.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im thinking 1.5 actually.
@mikefareri on twitter.
by sonofapsycho on Nov 15, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd can carry a PPV. He can’t sell a live show as well as Manny, but he can carry a PPV.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tbh
Pacquiao probably doesn’t care that much. He is more interested in changing his country though political action then he is in boxing in general.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just speechless...
I didn’t see Pac winning that fight but I certainly didn’t even expect for a moment for it to go down that way.
I don’t think Cotto won a single round and this is against a man who probably has the best resume in that division. Pac moved up to fight a bigger man and dominated him!
To be honest I don’t see how this fight is good for boxing in any regard.
Cotto is one of the best boxers in the world right now and had this aura surrounding him that made him feel damn near invincible. He took fights nobody else would and tonight he got destroyed in front of a million people. If anything it was just painful to watch.
I hardly found it entertaining watching what Pac was doing to Cotto and I’m still confused why his corner didn’t stop it earlier.
I hope this doesn’t take away from Cotto but I’m sure people are going to start laying it into him now. Either way though again the fight was brutal, at times just completely one sided and it was just painful watching a guy with the heart that Cotto has getting beat up in that way.
I really hope he comes back stronger and becomes the Puerto Rican Terminator again he’s just an asset to boxing.
On the other hand Mr Pacquiao… wow… I still can’t believe the man moved UP in weight and dominated a guy BIGGER than him.. I defintely thought it was a possiblity Pac could take the points win but maul, control and beat up COTTO?!?
I don’t think anybody saw Pac being the aggressive one. Picking his shots and launching flurries yes but stalking and bullying Cotto of all fighters?!
Given all the advantages handed to Cotto and all the disadvantages Pac had even at his very best I thought Pac would have a very very close fight and if best came to best Pac would scrape a win.
I’m in disbelief he won it in that way in his second fight at the mid 140’s.
Tonight just confirms what a lot of people(including myself admittedly) have said is wrong. Pac does seem to belong at 147 as a legitmate welterweight.
Bad news is Mayweather will not fight Pac after tonight.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course you saw yourself winning. Now how can you find a PC so fast?
Oh wait you’re Manny Pacquiao.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. I thought he was singing in a concert right now?
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Concert is over just taking a timeout before a movie shoot in an hour :P
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 15, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word. I think that guy's an android. I could never multi-task like that. :P
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No he just KOed Brock Lesnar.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Chuck Norris.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He just cold-clocked Tim Tebow.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is actually preforming.
He is the ballet dancer for the orchestra.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're wrong about this.
Bad news is Mayweather will not fight Pac after tonight.
Somehow I don’t think PBF’s ego will allow Pac to be called the P4P king of boxing.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is what we can hope. That Floyd is not just arrogant, but confident enough.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freddie was right.
The inexperience in Miguel’s corner was a glaring weakness, especially towards the end of the fight.
I mean, who tells a boxer to “jab, jab” heading into the 11th and 12th rounds of a fight in which it is insanely obvious that he is severely behind on the scorecards?
Granted, I don’t think there were any magic words which could have reversed the outcome. Still, it begs the question, if his corner couldn’t even identify basic strategic adjustments, perhaps there were also some deficiencies in training?
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by a tommy point on Nov 15, 2009 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you gotta wonder how "with it" Cotto was toward the end.
The summary here says he had some fear going on.
It could’ve been some knocks to the head as well.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m finally watching this on a full sized screen and in between rounds 8-9 it was obv that cotto was done. the corner should have just pulled a roach during the JuanMa-Robot fight. just call the damn fight off
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I mean, who tells a boxer to "jab, jab" heading into the 11th and 12th rounds of a fight in which it is insanely obvious that he is severely behind on the scorecards?
Buddy McGirt.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Leow
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
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by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like use the jab and don’t get caught reaching? Yeah I thought this too.
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by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very much so. This is one of the things we’ll be touching on. No disrespect to Joe Santiago, but he shouldn’t be a lead corner man at all.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even for an amateur fighter
“hey Coach were you a boxer?” – “no”
“Oh well you’ve been training for a long time?” – “two fights”
see ya.
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by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Correct me if I’m wrong butI didn’t hear any good tactical advice the whole fight.
by Full Throttle on Nov 15, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would you recommend he do?
While you bring up a good point at the point in the fight I didn’t see any way for Cotto to win period.
I think the best he could have done is try and stay in the fight so he doesn’t get a TKO on his record and gives up a much less glamorous surrounding decision.
I didn’t think Cotto would be able to KO Pac at that point. Actually I was curious about why Cotto’s punched seem to be so flat in the second half of the fight.
This fight is going to be interesting to anaylse to be honest I can’t wait for the next couple of weeks of reflection and debate theres so much to go over and break down.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He might have had a chance by making a last stand
But more likely he would have been KOed in highlight reel fashion that way
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by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
woulda been similar to round 4. they warred it out, and cotto got caught and was dropped.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping for at least that.
Try for the KO even though that could of been his demise.
by Full Throttle on Nov 15, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what would you recommend he do?
STOP THE FIGHT
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
god cotto is looking disgusting face wise. azteca is barely on round 9
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cotto's ALWAYS going to look bad at the end of a fight
His facial skin just has too much scarring at this point for him to not cut everywhere
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by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i mean i know i hate the guy as a fighter, but no one deserves that shit christ.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great fight. Poor undercard. Thanks for the coverage, BLH.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Our pleasure. Thanks for joining us.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously,
You guys are MAJOR assets to SBN. Fantastic job.
by lildrummerboy on Nov 15, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you very much for the kind words. I know that’s a stock reply, but I’m being quite sincere. We’re just dudes that love boxing.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey will you look at that a new tecate girl commercial segue
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok my final unbiased account of the fight
The fight turned out nearly like how i thought it would be. this was a terrible match up for cotto from the start. i used the phrase “catch-22” many times in my analysis of this fight, and thats how the fight turned out.
in the first few rounds he warred it out like a guerrero, but he got dropped twice. both were legit knockdowns, but the second KD was obv the most devastating. cotto has heart, but he also can not take a punch all that well. but battle axe he didn’t go down? but he was clearly dazed multiple times throughout that fight, and if cotto was less technically sound he woulda been KO’d easily.
he tried to outbox pacquiao in the last half of the fight, and yes i realize that was out of survival. if he had done that from the outset the fight would have been closer, but in the end the result would have been the same. pacquiao is too fast, and is too precise with BOTH hands for him to do that for 12 rounds. eventually he would have had to war it out, but obv if he did that he’d be out on his ass. overall i give the guy his props for being a tough sumbitch, but he was not the right man to “take out” the ATG pacman
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was amazing
I love Cotto and I felt bad for him at around round 9 and wanted them to stop the fight. Cotto was not going to quit, and I think he answered some questions about his lack of heart by going as long as he could. That said, the corner should have stopped the fight. Cotto was simply outclassed by the Best in the World. The second knockdown was a great, great punch. Manny Pacquaio is some kind of robot sent from the future to rule boxing in this decade
by cardscott5 on Nov 15, 2009 1:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good Fight.
It’s a shame they didn’t step in to stop is sooner, but I think this was as good as you could expect now knowing that Pacquiao can handle welterweight this well. So, what do people think of Mayweather v. Pacquiao and Cotto v. Mosley/Berto setting up another summer or early fall blockbuster?
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by ejruiz on Nov 15, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol you think that if mayweather beat pacquiao he would still fight the winner of cotto vs mosley/berto? he would have “nothing” to prove after he beat the walking legend (in his mind)
btw SC is pacquiao still #1a p4p ;)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
finally got to see the end. great sportsmanship from both fighters
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
cotto looks like he went through a meat grinder, and pacquiao only had a minor welt under his right eye. i thought his clottey impersonation would be his doom, but it ended up being a pretty good strategy
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
manny is officially the most amazing fighter ive seen in my lifetime. it was just another ass whooping.
i like manny huge over mayweather. no way floyd takes mannys shots. and yes, he will get hit by them. plenty.
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by sonofapsycho on Nov 15, 2009 1:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
manny is officially the most amazing fighter ive seen in my lifetime.
I’m going to second this.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he’s a once in my lifetime. If I become an old man, I’ll be like the guy who says how “insert name” would kick everybody’s ass, but I’ll be talking about Pac
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by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so you’ll be bert sugar?
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do like cigars
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I find your stance less silly than before, and drastically so.\
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my picks record was awful for all the “normal” fights, but i’ve been spot on with pacquiao :)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The question in my mind
Is where he compares to Duran. I might do an article on that one.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still kind of speechless.
I’m as diehard a Duran fan as one can get. And that I even have to think about this now is testament to Pacquiao’s greatness.
by Areglado on Nov 15, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think he stacks up quite well to Duran right now. Doesn’t have the amateur credentials, but past that.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i love duran, but he blows him away much like tommy hearns did. just way too fast.
@mikefareri on twitter.
by sonofapsycho on Nov 15, 2009 7:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh on the sportscenter opener the pac-cotto news was last during the intro. officially hate this channel
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
fight results are frontpage of NYTimes website right now.
by Nick_ on Nov 15, 2009 1:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
its actually the top story on espn.com as well
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
This fight did MASSIVE coverage. I mean it was amazing to observe. I scan the news all day, obviously, and this was everywhere.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HIGHLIGHTS on ESPN now
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and of course in typical HBO fashion, no clips of the KDs
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a student of boxing history
but, surely, this 7th world title would elevate manny in the top 5 boxers of all time.
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by Pinoy Titan on Nov 15, 2009 1:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t put SO much stock into that. It’s incredibly impressive, but back in the glory days of the sport there were eight weight classes, y’know? Manny is a different era. BUT! But — yes, Manny is in that conversation.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 15, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Probably the 10-20 range, without thinking about it too hard. A convincing win over Mayweather probably props him solidly into the top 10.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a big Pac. fan. He is the only reason I'm here.
But I know enough about boxing to realize that this is the way to look at it. 10-20 is a really lonely place to be, so it is a big compliment either way.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he is still there even if he loses to Mayweather.
Losses that far out of his natural weight class are in a place where he has very little to lose, but a lot to gain.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bert sugar interview with Brian “The Man” Kenny. bert calls him the best southpaw, azn, and top 20 “easily” of all time.
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yo SC there isn’t a HBO fight next week right?
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 1:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nope only awesomeness
Ward v. Kessler baby!!!! Wondering when the replay is going to go up? Next fight is Bute v. Andrade and Funeka v. Guzman. They are playing the replay next week Sat the 21st.
by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 5:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i was hoping for the replay to be on before bute vs andrade. looks like i’ll just take the HD replay
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome fight
Even though Pacquaio dominated, it was an exciting fight. Cotto was resilient and didn’t give up, which says a lot about his character. Manny is one of the best fighters I’ve ever seen. He is not only quick but his punches have serious power. i’d love to see Pacman vs. Mayweather but I don’t know if it will ever happen.
by yoda1 on Nov 15, 2009 1:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am puerto rican and cotto displayed NO heart! Trinidad would have fought his heart out and cotto fought to survive when what he should have done was fight like a boxer and box his way to victory instead of try to browl with a browler. He is a F’ing quitter! I am not proud period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’d rather him get knocked out trying then take such a pussy loss!
by jgon25 on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you’re wrong man.
He flopped his nuts on the table, absolutely. That man got badly hurt about 7 times in that fight. He got dropped nasty the second time, and still came back.
What happened was his game plan changed, he started trying to catch Manny coming in as Manny was doing to him early on. None of it worked and the biggest problem was Pac could hurt Cotto and the reverse was not true.
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by lcollins1 on Nov 15, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he did a mini-chicken dance on his way down in the 4th. twas really lucky that happened with 20 seconds left in the round
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad for you.
I’m not Puerto Rican, and I have more pride in the heart that Cotto showed than you do.
“..box his way to victory..” This sounds like you only support your countrymen if they win.
But the thing I really want to say, is:
I don’t believe that you are Puerto Rican.
No Puerto Rican I know would betray a national fighter who is talented and honorable like you are attempting to do now.
It looks more like you are someone who is trying to sully the name of Puerto Ricans, not someone who is actually Puerto Rican.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
browl with a browler
Fighting Area Control
by capital L on Nov 15, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always browl with browlers
it’s very important ye know
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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Round 4
The most amazing thing about the fight last night (more than a few amazing things though) was how Pacquiao sat on the ropes for that spell in the fourth and covered up. Cotto threw the kitchen sink at Manny and landed some decent shots. Then for MP to respond to that the way he did, making Cotto look ordinary, took my breath away. I think the KO would have come if MP had had a few more seconds – but I think the way it turned out was better (for Manny) because it left not a shred of doubt.
I was one of the deluded that said Cotto was just too BIG, it was a step too far, facing a prime welter. I predicted for Hatton for the same reasons and took a hit in the wallet for that particular folly. Then told my self retrospectively that Hatton was always overrated etc, etc.
Upto the fourth round I was telling the people I was watching the fight with that you could see Pac was uncomfortable with Cotto’s power on the odd occassion he was caught. Even though Pac was landing with volume, I was convinced that if Cotto continued to walk him down then he would soon enough chip away at MP.
HOW WRONG I WAS! I’m now a full conver to the Church of Pacquiao. The man is a sensation. I think that the second Knockdown and what immediately preceded it will be one of my all time boxing memories. The way he took the Cotto onslaught and then seemed to say “OK. Now my turn”.
I’m sure there will be retrospective appraisals that say Cotto was never the same after Margarito and he was alot older in ring years than his true age. The same thing has happened with De La Hoya and Hatton. But I can honestly say that I won’t indulge that school of thought this time.
by Brett87 on Nov 15, 2009 6:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
What a fight!
I feel crappy that I couldn’t read BLH whilst watching the fight, but I’m in the midst of moving house.
After JCC Jnr literally put me to sleep, (I feel asleep in the 6th, and woke [thank God] to Buffer announcing the main event!)
Thoughts:
1) If Pacquiao had knocked Cotto down earlier in the 4th, I think it would have been stopped.
2) Bayliss should have stopped the fight in the 9th. Letting Cotto carry on was pointless, and dangerous.
3) Pacquiao was amazing, quick, powerful, skilled, strong jawed, he had the lot.
I unfortunately still think Mayweather will get the better of him, but my God will it be an amazing fight!
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by bazzlad on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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