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Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather


After tonight's fight and the amazing accomplishment of wining a major title in seven weight classes, the question needs to change.  No longer should we ask where Manny Pacquiao belongs on the top pound for pound list, but now we need to ask where he belongs on the top list of all-time fighters? 

Isn't revisionist history, living in the moment?  Or is now the time to put the name "Pacquiao" alongside the names of Louis, Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Jones, and Hopkins? 

To do what he's done, and how he's done it, I don't think its hyperbole.  What is amazing not only is what Pacquiao has done, but how he's done it.  Only once in a major fight has Pacman fallen (to Erik Morales), and he beat him twice after that.  Pacquiao has also shown an amazing ability to not take punishment.  Only Juan Manuel Marquez has figured out how to weave through the buzzsaw.  Not only are Pacquiao's hands blindingly fast and with power, he has tremendous bounce in his feet and is able to move in and out and laterally better than anyone in boxing.  He takes shots, but nobody has yet figured out how to consistantly wear him down using combinations.  The speed in his feet is just, if not more, important than the speed of his hands.  He's like a Street Fighter character, he's jumps in and does tremendous damage in mere seconds, then jumps out before a counter can effectively land.  Marquez did well because he was able to time Pacquiao jumping in and out but he had to take an incredible beating to put one on him.

One wonders what Floyd Mayweather is thinking.  He has had an equally impressive rise through boxing, capturing titles in multiple weight classes and defeating every single opponent put before him.  Pacquiao can't say that.  But in Floyd's megafights, with de la Hoya and Hatton - Pacquiao one-upped him on each one.  Where Money squeeked out a split decision on Oscar, Pacquiao made the Golden Boy quit on his stool.  Where Mayweather danced circles around Hatton until the kayo in the 9th, Pacquiao dispensed with the pleasantries and simpled turned his lights off in the 2nd.  And while Mayweather handled a clearly overmatched and too-heavy Marquez in September, Pacquiao just tore through a true powerful welterweight champion in his prime. 

To be honest folks, I don't see how Floyd Mayweather can beat Manny Pacquiao.  He can't out-run him, out-speed him, out-think him, nor can he out-power him.  Floyd's game of defensive counter-boxing is a clinic, but in a fighter like Pacquiao he would face a man who's basest boxing instinct is pressure, and he does it with speed and so money punches its like a cartoon cloud swirling in the ring.  Mayweather likes to dance, move, out-smart, and out-box his opponents. He's never been terribly powerful and he's never been tested by a pressure fighter like Manny since the Castillo fights.  And who spars with Pacquiao? 

Like everyone else, I want to see Pacquiao vs. Mayweather.  It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight, in my opinion, since Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Marvelous Marvin Hagler.  But if Floyd demurrs, I can understand why.  He can't beat Manny Pacquiao.

Nobody can.

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I’ve always thought, and still think, that Floyd is all wrong for Manny. Maybe at some point I’ll write a counterpoint to this one, but it’s getting late.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 AM EST reply actions  

that does still seem to be the general view

with the line favoring Mayweather in a potential match-up, even though Manny must now be the clear p4p number 1. Look forward to that more detailed counterpoint when you get the chance, you’ve touched on it a couple of times in the recent past.

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by BrianBrock on Nov 16, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I would pick Manny over Floyd, i said it before Cotto and my only real worrie was if Pac can take a solid shot from a 147pounder. He answerd that by taking what Cotto throw at him, Cotto landed some big shots and Manny took them. I think Mayweathers defence would be slightly imparied by the southpaw stance and the angles that Pac can throw. Zab was able to but Mayweather off abit in them early rounds and i think Pac can do that but better and for longer.

It would be interesting watching them against eachother and with the gameplans changing through out the fight.

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by sigidy on Nov 15, 2009 3:36 AM EST reply actions  

But Floyd’s gameplan is never try to overpower the other guy. The real question is how long can he make Pacquiao miss. Cotto was able to keep Pacquiao from hitting him too solidly in the first 2 rounds, Floyd has the fitness to do that for 12 twelve rounds, the question is can he effectively deal with that type of pressure. Will he be able to use counter shots to relieve the relentless pressure coming from Pac-Man. Can Pac-Man bully Floyd? These are the big questions, power for Floyd is a non-issue.

by Waldo Rastel on Nov 15, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Pacquiao vs. Mayweather would be really interesting because they both have speed, conditioning and skill. Mayweather clearly doesn’t have the KO power that Pacquiao have but it would be interesting to see how his defense would work against Pacquiao . . . a high punch-output fighter.

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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t see how Floyd Mayweather can beat Manny Pacquiao

have to agree with you there mason_beer

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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 16, 2009 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

Defense v. Offense

The best offense of our time (arguably all-time) vs. the best defense of our time (arguably all-time). Simple as that. If you don’t want to see this fight just leave this forum now because you don’t have a pulse and therefore cease to exist.

by Waldo Rastel on Nov 16, 2009 4:21 AM EST reply actions  

Sometimes when we touch :D

SOMEDAY WHEN WE TATS
(Song by Manny Pacquiao)

They asked you if you’ll fight me
And you choked on your reply
I’d rather Arum deal with you
Than mislead you with a lie
And who am I to judge you,
On what you say or do
The fans are now beginning
To see the real you…

And someday when we tats
My LEFT will be too much
That you have to close your eyes
Where do you hide?
I wanna pound you til you’re white
’Til your face breaks down and cry
I wanna beat you
’Til you dream and say, goodnight.

You think you are a strategist
That you can insult my pride
But through your insecurities
You’re ZERO loss seemed right
You’re just another fighter
So far from what is true
An overrated boxer
Who never gives his due

And someday when we tats
My RIGHT will be too much
That you have to close your eyes
Where do you hide?
I wanna pound you till you’re white
’Til your face breaks down and cry
I wanna beat you
’Til you dream and say, goodnight.

At times I’d like to break you
And drive you to your knees
The fans would like to watch you
And see your first defeat

Your huggers understand you
And we know how hard they try
I’ve watched your Dad protect you
And your Uncle loves to smile

My coach thinks your a loser
Still searching for a break
You think your odds are better
But then the public bets AGAINST!

And someday when we tats
My SPEED will be too much
That you have to close your eyes
Where can you hide?
I wanna pound you til you’re white
’Til your face breaks down and cry
I wanna beat you
’Til you dream and say, goodniiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt!

by astral.desi on Nov 19, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

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