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Alex Ariza says Manny took it easy on Cotto

Manny Pacquiao's conditioning coach Alex Ariza says Pacquiao took it easy on Miguel Cotto last night. (Photo by Chris Farina / Top Rank)

Manny Pacquiao's conditioning coach Alex Ariza says Pacquiao took it easy on Miguel Cotto last night. (Photo by Chris Farina / Top Rank)

Ronnie Nathanielsz reports today that there may have been a bit of mercy shown last night by Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao's strength and conditioning coach, Alex Ariza, believes that's exactly what happened.

"What you saw tonight was mercy. I thought Manny could have finished him so many times but he just didn’t want to hit him anymore."

Ariza also criticized Cotto’s corner saying "his father should have stopped that fight. Shame on him for letting his pride possibly injure his son."

However, Ariza said Cotto "deserves a lot of credit. He showed up, he was in shape. No more excuses. I don’t think anybody can ever say anything about Manny. He fought the best 147 pounder out there and destroyed him."

Point-by-point? Sure, why not?

First of all, I think he's probably right overall here. In the latter stages of the fight particularly, Manny seemed like he wanted to quit beating up a man he had to chase around the ring. By that point the fight was 100% in his favor and he was laying into Cotto, who wanted nothing to do with him. I thought Manny showed mercy against Oscar, too. There were times he blatantly let Oscar get off the ropes when he could have continued beating the crap out of him. And I thought he showed a ton of mercy for Marco Antonio Barrera in their 2007 rematch, too.

As great a finisher as Manny is, I don't know that I'd say he has a truly killer instinct. He has a lot of respect for his opponents.

Second, Ariza was probably unaware of this when he said it and might learn of it now -- after all, why would he know? -- but Miguel Cotto Sr. was trying to get the fight stopped. The fighter wanted it to go on and the rest of the corner talked Sr. down a little bit.

And on the final point, Miguel Cotto is not and was not the best 147-pounder in the world. That is Floyd Mayweather Jr., and that's not a stab at Cotto or a knock on him. Cotto was without question one of the three best in the world at 147, but not the best. That's just not a true statement, and it feels cheap to try to make an incredible win out to be even more than it is. There is no reason to exaggerate.

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The best 147 pounder?

Haha

by Option27 on Nov 15, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Pac is the best at any weight. ;)

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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, that is why every belt should go through Pac. ;)

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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well when you retire for a year and come back to beat a blown up lightweight that doesn’t qualify you as the best

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Blown up? Ha!

So when Manny gets beat by Floyd, are you gonna be the same one who says Floyd should pick on someone his own size?

by Option27 on Nov 15, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no because unlike JMM manny’s proven to be able to fight at 147. if you HONESTLY believe JMM belonged in that fight you are a blind fool. i’m sorry but there is no excusing supporting the JMM fight. you don’t post too often nowadays, so maybe you didn’t notice but i shat on that fight since the moment JMM called out floyd after the baby bull fight. JMM had NO business fighting at 144. plain and simple

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I shat on it as well

Not because JMM having to fight at 147, but because I knew what Floyd knew. If you throw in two counter punches into a fight, usually the one that does it best wins

In Floyds case, he does is far better than anyone

by Option27 on Nov 15, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i’m not saying mayweather is a shitty fighter or anything, but don’t use the JMM fight as a proving point for his brilliance. that fight was a complete sham. he did what he was supposed to do minus KO’ing him which he had a pretty good opportunity to do so in the 2nd round.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh. Floyd was comfortable at 140+ and Marquez was not. Floyd gets lots of credit for moving up in weight classes but he came from 130 and Manny came from 106 making Manny’s jump in weight more impressive.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They both climbed the ladder

yes Manny came from a lighter background but I just would hope people stop acting as if Manny was the only one to climb up to welterweight

by Option27 on Nov 15, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they act like that because he moved up from 106 how can you not see that? stop being a playa hata, and drink the manny kool-aid yo

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

kooooool aid!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, Floyd should try picking on someone his own size.

The guy walks the line on the edge of being a joke.

We all know Floyd is probably the best technical fighter of my life at least, but he has used that ability to no real effect. He beats down on smaller or easier guys a lot of the time.

Though, if he does fight Manny, even though Manny is a much smaller guy, you won’t hear me whining about it.

But Manny will still clearly be the greater fighter.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well im not so sure about that. Manny does leave himself open alot. He got popped quite a few times by Cotto. You can’t make mistakes like that against Mayweather.He’s gonna make you pay and slip quick and dance.

by killah27 on Nov 15, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I wasn't clear.

I’m sure Pac has a chance to lose against Floyd.

I’m saying that Pac will be the greater fighter even if he DOES lose.

The different weights, the aggressiveness, the background, the constant improvement, always taking on the biggest most dangerous guy he can find, Pac is so far beyond Floyd that it would be almost impossible for Floyd to catch him now.

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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like you’ll be ready mentally if Manny loses.

by Polish Rifle on Nov 15, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But he is also Carlos Baldomir.

For the record, I think PBF beats Manny fairly easily.

by tichbou on Nov 15, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the words of R.A The Rugged Man.

Baldomir!?

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where do people get this idea that Carlos Baldomir is a giant? Floyd’s taller than Baldomir and had a four-inch reach advantage.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dude its CARLOS BALDOMIR. that’s not an impressive victory at all

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said it was

Just said he was bigger

by Option27 on Nov 15, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well if he doesn’t fall into the “bigger” side of the coin he sure as shit falls into the “easier” category.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK fine

OSCAR WAS BIGGER

by Option27 on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i’ll give you that one, but thats it :p

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd deserves more credit than he gets for that win

Agreed 100%. Floyd outsmarted and outboxed a very good, definitely bigger man who was comfortable at the weight. Floyd was NOT comfortable at the weight, and he won anyway.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not a big difference either way — Floyd’s listed at 5’8", Baldomir at 5’7". But Carlos is made out to be Margarito by some people (not you particularly). He isn’t that big of a dude. When they had him in with Forrest at 154 he was physically overmatched to a huge degree.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is Floyd dressed like my dad in this picture?

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“These kids today. They wanna be buried in a jogging suit.” — Corrado “Junior” Soprano

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice

we need more Sopranos references on this blog.

by steak_knife on Nov 15, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

People overestimate Baldomir's size because of his giant head.

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by Matt Miller on Nov 15, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cotto’s the third best in my opinion. Yeah a bit exaggeration. I did notice with that against De la Hoya. I think he could’ve knocked out Oscar in 5. I think he respected him too much. I seen Pacquiao in fully attack and there was alot of mercy in that fight. The same against Cotto.Of course Cotto was alot more competitive and actually fought back.

by killah27 on Nov 15, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think the mercy they were talking about was like in rounds 8 or 9. pacquiao literally just stood there sometimes, and didn’t even bother moving forward. also there were MANY times where pacquiao could have closed the show out (9th specifically), but was content with cotto getting his mind back after getting blasted.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And seriously, taking a shot a Floyd is sorta a potential buildup to the next hoped for bout,

But it isn’t really sportsmanlike to say he went easy even if he did.

Cotto is a great boxer and even if the few know Manny took it easy (if he actually did) they should keep it to themselves. Both of the boxers have been gentlemen, lets not have their support tear them down.

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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh absolutely.

by killah27 on Nov 15, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it was pretty obvious that he took it easy on cotto once he starting running around barely throwing jabs

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a good point.

Still no need for him to say it. You can say it, the media can say it, but it just isn’t that cool for Ariza to say it.

It is just my opinion.

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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well yeah, but i’m sure cotto won’t take it personally. it’s just the truth, and i’m sure if cotto was asked about this he would agree

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 15, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is more Cotto's fans I am thinking of.

But you are correct.

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by staylost on Nov 15, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he was being disrespectful he was just saying what I think Cotto would also think.

They didn’t seem to be very bitter enemies or the like during any time before or after the fight there was a tremendous amount of respect between the two of them so I don’t think it is really a matter of disrespect.

Personally I think the fight shouldn’t have gone past the 7th round and I feel Pac could have finished him within 5 if he tried.

That fight should have been stopped though what started off as a great contest just ended up becoming difficult to watch as Pac tore through Cotto slowly. I hate to see a boxer going through that shit he needs a new corner.

by MannyPacquiao on Nov 15, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pacquiao has spoken!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 16, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good fight

Welterweight is145 or 147?

by rgb on Nov 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

anywhere between 141 and 147

The usual limit is 147. Last night’s limit was 145.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

Mayweather vs MP will happen in March, FM will fight at his weight. if they can agree to 50 -50 Split. Maybe in September we can have a Trilogy at 140 lbs. GOOD POSTS BY THE WAY

by rgb on Nov 15, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think he did take it easy on him towards the end. He has that killer instinct still but when he knows he wont put them down he can back off and continue to pop shot and flurry them till the ref/corner decide enough.
Floyd moved into the number 1 spot mostly prior fights. I dont see the Marquez fight deserving of putting him in the top spot. If it was someone else moving up in weight and had a fight like it you wouldn’t put them at number 1. That said i cant put him anywere else. Him and Manny are even and Shane now just behind.

I can see Floyd waiting till after the Mosley-Berto fight before deciding what to do next

"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone

by sigidy on Nov 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Waiting....F-that I am the greatest!

Thats what PBF would say or something like that. BTW negotiations…already happening. Floyd being not a bitch for once and trying to do something awesome!

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6228.html?PHPSESSID=2e033710d09262fdc4f492a31a6956c1

by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see him jumping on it. But this can be one of them negotiations thats on off on off etc. They both like to feel they won the battle of the contract. One strange thing is how close him and golden boy are now

"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone

by sigidy on Nov 15, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It did look like Manny had several oppurtunities to close the deal but didn’t pull the trigger. Anyway it was a good fight and i enjoyed it a lot!

by bigislandboi808 on Nov 15, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Making manny a super hero

I think you just like Manny a little too much. Everyone is calling Manny the best at a 147, but you have forgotten he is making fighters coming down from their natural weight class. The fight between cotto and manny took place at 145 lb catch weight!!!. Apparently this 2 lbs do have a big effect on fighters. Floyd was willing to pay 500K for those 2 lbs against Marquez fight.
If I would have been with cotto’s camp, I would have make cotto show up at 147 instead (and pay the penalty if his contract had a clause like Mayweather’s with Marquez)

Here is what does not make sense. Manny struggled to put Marquez in the canvas in two different ocasions; but now Manny had mercy on Oscar and Cotto??? I think Manny was being cautious.

Lets give credit to who ever deserves it. If Manny is so good, he should move up in weight with no catch weight crap. I do not understand how the boxing organizations play this game.

Let’s see if the fight with Mayweather takes place. I’m sure Floyd will not play the catch weight with Manny.

by jcarzerpi on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think you just like Manny a little too much.

We should always try to temper our admiration for brave fighters who always make good fights and take on top competition every fight.

but you have forgotten he is making fighters coming down from their natural weight class. The fight between cotto and manny took place at 145 lb catch weight

Actually, I didn’t forget. Cotto was fine at 145 pounds. Everyone agreed he looked strong at the weigh-in. He looked strong in the fight, too, for about six rounds, and then Pacquiao really broke him down.

Lets give credit to who ever deserves it. If Manny is so good, he should move up in weight with no catch weight crap. I do not understand how the boxing organizations play this game.

Money. Really the sanctioning bodies have no real say in it at the end of the day. Never let yourself think it’s anyone besides the promoters who run boxing. If the promoters get together and decide the sanctioning bodies can go screw, then the sanctioning bodies will be done. But they won’t do that because they make each other money, and both sides know it.

And you know, nobody gives Sugar Ray Leonard retroactive crap for this very same thing, and he did it on numerous occasions. But he’s Sugar Ray Leonard: Legend of the 80s. Where is the outcry over Leonard’s catchweight madness?

Apparently this 2 lbs do have a big effect on fighters. Floyd was willing to pay 500K for those 2 lbs against Marquez fight.

It was three pounds, $600K, and the wording seemed to indicate that Golden Boy paid it, not Floyd. Cotto being more of a professional than Mayweather does not make the two-pound argument more valid.

Here is what does not make sense. Manny struggled to put Marquez in the canvas in two different ocasions; but now Manny had mercy on Oscar and Cotto??? I think Manny was being cautious.

Manny struggled to put Marquez on the canvas? He knocked him down four times in two fights. Did you watch Manny-Oscar? Oscar was helpless on the ropes, Pacquiao kept battering him, and then he laid off. That fight should have probably been stopped in the round that Pacquiao outlanded him something roughly equivalent to 7,200-to-4.

And Pacquiao flat-out looked at Kenny Bayless against Cotto like, “What are we doing here?” Miguel ran away from him and had no interest in engaging anymore. Pacquiao could have stormed him and likely put him away. Bayless stopped it on the first decent punch of the 12th round that landed. Freddie Roach wanted Pacquiao to stop Barrera in their second fight, but said that Manny told him he didn’t want to embarrass him, because he’s a legend.

Lets give credit to who ever deserves it.

We are.

I’m sure Floyd will not play the catch weight with Manny.

He shouldn’t.

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