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Negotiations to begin for Mayweather-Pacquiao

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. must meet in the ring next. (Photo by MARK RALSTON/AFP/Getty Images)

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. must meet in the ring next. (Photo by MARK RALSTON/AFP/Getty Images)

There's no doubt anymore, and everyone knows it's true. The only fight for either Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Manny Pacquiao is Mayweather-Pacquiao.

FightHype is reporting that Floyd gave Golden Boy Promotions to negotiate on his behalf for the fight, which is an encouraging sign. Mayweather apparently got in touch with Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer less than two hours after the fight, who then put in a call to HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg to tell him he'd gotten the go-ahead from Floyd.

Now, that doesn't mean anything will happen here. Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times has a great quote from Greenburg about it:

"It's a simple negotiation. There's so much money to be made. If it doesn't happen, there'll be a revolt. Nothing else is acceptable, and I'm speaking on behalf of the American public and the sport itself."

Schaefer is confident that he and Top Rank's Bob Arum can work it out, but also makes it clear he believes Floyd is the alpha at the negotiationg table:

"Bob and me -- how often have we failed to make a big fight? ... How did Pacquiao-Marquez do versus Mayweather-Marquez? How did Pacquiao-Oscar do versus Floyd-Oscar? ... Getting them together is a mega-fight that has to be made. We'd all have to be morons to not let this happen."

A quote from Top Rank matchmaker Bruce Trampler does give me the idea that Top Rank isn't so confident that this fight can (or perhaps should) happen:

[Trampler] said it's naive to believe intangibles like "the good of boxing" will influence the deal.

"This has nothing to do with that," Trampler said. "These are two businessmen who are going to do what's best for themselves."

Here's what I'm going to say about that, and keep in mind I understand what he means.

This is not about the mythical "good of boxing." This is about making the ONLY fight in the sport that the public at large has interest in seeing anymore. It's been built. Floyd came back and won big in a huge money fight. Pacquiao topped that in terms of entertainment and challenge two months later. We'll see if he topped it on the business side, but many people have sounded confident that they could have done just that, which would make for an amazing fight overall.

This is not about fans being naive and living in a fairytale world. This is without even a close peer the biggest money fight in boxing. If everyone's such a businessman, including the fighters, they understand that. What else is "best for" these two men if not this fight? What, the Mosley-Berto winner? The backlash that comes from either of them fighting someone else?

There's nothing else. It's the mega-fight to end the mega-fights. What fight has been bigger and more relevant than this one could be? Two amazing fighters, the undisputed 1-2 pound-for-pound in the world. What's the last time that happened?

So, OK, fine. It doesn't have to be about the good of boxing, though it is about that. Make them each a graph and show them the potential money for this fight compared to literally anything else they could do. It can be about everyone's wallets if that's what you want it to be. However it has to be to make the fight happen.

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To paraphrase what I saw somewhere else: Have a 60-40 split. Winner gets 60, loser gets 40. Sounds fair to me.

by cyke on Nov 15, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They’ll never do it.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 15, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see this arrangement become the MO in boxing. It’s done in every other sport to a certain degree, why not here?

I know, I know, MLB contracts are guaranteed, but post-season bonuses aren’t. NFL contracts, aren’t, NHL contracts aren’t. But the individual sports are what I’m talking about – tennis pays by the round won. If there’s one thing I like about MMA it’s the win bonus (I don’t like that apart from the elite, they’re basically impoverished). Generally I like the idea of paying more for victory.

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 16, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. In life, people who are better at their jobs get paid more.

It should be the same in sport.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not always. There’s also nepotism, favoritism, stupidity. It’s rampant in life, too.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a general rule, then.

Was it Bill Gates who once said something about an excellent plumber only being worth about double the money of a very good one, but an excellent computer programmer being worth 10,000 times the money spent on a ‘merely’ very good computer programmer?

I tend to think Boxing is on the same level as computer programming, rather than plumbing, with regard to the skill levels it takes to get to the top, and the relative difference in skill level between the “very good” and the “great”.

Anyway, my point remains, I think success should be rewarded. Don’t you?

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 16, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where it's determinable

the people who bring in more revenues almost always make more money than the people who are good.

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 16, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In a lot of fields, especially specialist fields, one is the pretty much the same as the other.

Computer programming
Astrophysics
Most sports

I was gonna type a longer list, but I can’t be assed. :)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 16, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the lawyer’s talking ‘rainmaking’. You a rainmaker Brick? I don’t have the personality. I go to school with a kid we call “Bill Clinton” – he’s got about a 2.0 and is gonna make a zillion dollars a year….bastard.

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BLH’s law branch is revealing too much about their methods. From now on, please pretend that every lawyer is Atticus Finch. :)

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I only make it rain in da clubs

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 17, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it should be 50/50...

…assuming Cotto-Pac surpasses Floyd-Marquez in terms of PPV buys. Schaefer could insist this and that but his argument is a thing of the past. It’s like saying Tom Cruise is such a blockbuster draw due to Top Gun. It should be more about “what have you done for me lately?” And right now Pac is the hottest draw in boxing. I’d shell the PPV bucks to see the guy fight (in the true essence of the word) rather than see someone dance for 12 rounds in the ring.

by arch on Nov 15, 2009 11:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

50/50

Its the thing to do. They both have ample reasons that they should make more than the other guy. Cancel it out, make it fair, get it done.

by waldo47 on Nov 15, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

50/50.

Every fan of each guy is going to see it like his or her guy should get more. I totally agree. Both have reasons, 50/50 slights neither guy.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 16, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

golden boy bs detector

not as many people bought oscar/pacquiao because they thought it was a mismatch, and pac/marquez II was simply too light of a weight for huge ppv buys… I’m not even sure Mayweather was on ppv until he went up to jr welterweight. Anybody have info?

by toodiesel on Nov 15, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, there is some BS.

But both sides are just so full of it, I can’t even see the point of listening to it without a filter like the bloggers here.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 16, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is not about the mythical “good of boxing.” This is about making the ONLY fight in the sport that the public at large has interest in seeing anymore. It’s been built.

Yeah exactly. When people say “for the good of boxing” they usually mean a fight which would not be a big attraction and may represent a undesirable risk for one of both guys, but would be meaningful in terms of sorting out a division. That doesn’t apply here. This would be just plain good for everyone and on every level.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather is the biggest draw and his numbers show that he did better in hatton, golden boy, and marquez than pac man did so the best idea is 50/50 since pacman is the pound for pound champion but floyd first hbo ppv was against gatti

by prettyboyced on Nov 16, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have nothing really to base this on except that as a former steroid user I absolutely believe Manny has used in the past. I don’ t know how or when boxing tests for for performance enhancing drugs but I would bet it’s easily avoidable. If Manny wasn’t so damn likeable the questions might be raised how easily he’s jumped from 106 to welterweight and for me there are only two answers. One, he has used some sort of steroid. Or Two, he is the best athlete of our generation. Head and shoulders above the likes of Phelps and MJ. It’s just unexplainable what Manny is doing.

Just call me The Profit

by Manuwar on Nov 16, 2009 2:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’ t know how or when boxing tests for for performance enhancing drugs but I would bet it’s easily avoidable.

After every fight

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He started so particularly small simply because he was very young. Coming from an impoverished background he was definitely under nourished and his growth will have been stunted at least a little bit. See the generation of depression/post-depression fighters for an example of this.

He has grown and as he grew his diet improved and, natrually, he put on weight. However once they got to a certain weight, a bit below 130 probably,he needed to start doing extra training to move him up. For starters his stength and conditioning coach is an absolute genius, amongst the best in the world. Also he has superb nutrition. Before this and the Oscar fight he was being fed five tiems a day to keep his weight up.

Steroid testing is incredibly rigorous at this level, as a competitive athlete I know how strict it can be. Still there is always a way around if someone trys hard enough and Manny has shown near inexplicable displays of power as he moves up. I like to think it’s just because he is a singularly special athlete but there is always the sad possibility of steroid use.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 16, 2009 4:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He also has incredibly big legs for a boxer. Just massive legs at his weight(s).

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 4:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he guy really is just freakish

seriously. The most amazing thing for me was how well he took big shots, was convinced that he felt a couple of brief ones from DLH and Hatton, but he really just walked through Cotto’s so well.

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 16, 2009 5:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. I was really unsure in my picking of Pac because I just didn’t see his chin holding up that well. I don’t know a lot about “designer” steroids but I’m pretty sure they can’t increase your punch resistance.
I just don’t see Freddie or Azira advocating steroid use.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather will find a way to avoid this fight, while making it look like he was ready to fight Pac. He’ll insist on a stupid purse split or something else. He’s too scared to get in there with Manny.

by lhasafi on Nov 16, 2009 6:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It looks from the article like Floyd initiated these negotiations.

That would be a strange move coming from a guy who doesn’t want the fight……

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 16, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Call Arum and tell ’em 80-20” could be initiating negotiations.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Very good, sir.

I like your style. :)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm concerned that's what is happening here

Floyd can pay lip service to trying to make the fight, do his song and dance about how he’ll never take less than 60/40 against Manny, and move on with a lesser opponent.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 16, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come On People

The man’s nick-name is “Money”. You can’t accuse a man of being greedy and scared. It’s like oil and water. Oscar was a bigger harder hitting guy and he took A LOT LESS. He gave ODH the ring, money, gloves, venue and date all to position himself to where he is now. Come on Left Hook you should know better. I need to get me a column for real! I’ll give you greedy, but NOBODY is scared to make this kind of money. If you don’t like the guy that’s cool, but act like you know.

by Craigman on Nov 16, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You can’t accuse a man of being greedy and scared. It’s like oil and water.

No it isn’t?

Oscar was a bigger harder hitting guy and he took A LOT LESS. He gave ODH the ring, money, gloves, venue and date all to position himself to where he is now.

Oscar was the money-maker. Floyd had never drawn much of anything before that fight, as great as he already was.

I need to get me a column for real!

FanPosts, dude — you can post your own stuff here. (Welcome to the site, btw)

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A greedy man is not going to be scared to make millions of dollars to fight a smaller opponent who has lost three times and five unofficially (in some people’s mind) to a guy that he destroyed. If this fight is not made, it’s not because either was scared, but because one or both were greedy. That’s the point.

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on Nov 16, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there not a chance that fear — I hate saying “fear” or “scared” because it’s really not that so much — would play into one of them playing serious hardball in negotiations? e.g., “I won’t take the fight for any less than (some split that everyone knows isn’t going to happen)?”

But really we agree here, I think. I doubt that’s going to happen.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 16, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me that

Top Rank is the one making money the excuse.

Seems like it’s going to happen but when? Manny said he wants to take a vacation and Mayweather shouldn’t take time off waiting for him. Should Mayweather have a fight early next year then have another in the fall against Manny when he comes back?

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Nov 16, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you truly believe Manny is just gonna go take a vacation and not want the fight

You must have also believe Floyd retired for good when he said he was

by Option27 on Nov 16, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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