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Don't discredit Golota

Golota was in his prime between 1995-1999. He showed that he was a dirty fighter vs. Riddick Bowe after being disqualified for low blows in both their meetings; the second time in stupefying fashion after a combination of punches way below the belt, appearing as if it was on purpose. He then added more of the wrong flare to his resume when he quit in tough fights against Michael Grant and Mike Tyson, showing no heart at all. Golota has taken us on a thirteen-year long boxing journey (1996-2009), with his latest outing being a defeat to also-Polish Tomasz Adamek via a 5th round stoppage in the "Polish Fight of the Century." This said, it is his durability that has kept him in the game long and it's been to his benefit. Many of you might be saying, "what are you talking about?" Well, I'm saying that there is, believe it or not, good news that has come out of the Golota story. The Pole redeemed himself for the first unfortunate Bowe bout by fighting then-IBF heavyweight titleholder Chris Byrd respectably to a draw at New York's Madison Square Garden, the world's most famous arena, and the site of the "infamous" first fight with Bowe which ensued a riot. Three and a half years later he got redemption for the second also-unfortunate Bowe battle by stopping former Irish Heavyweight Champion Kevin McBride by a 6th round TKO. For the two aforementioned fights in which he quit, Golota made a redeemer out of himself again by decisioning heavy-handed Mike Mollo after 12 rounds in a very entertaining slugfest. In this bout Golota had a cut over his left eye for most of the contest but still fought on craftily. He also took some no joke shots from his opponent but still stayed in there and showed heart. Some say that Golota-Mollo was the best heavyweight fight of 2008. The people who still call Golota a bum to this day are mistaking, because he came back after quits and embarrassments and tried to do good. Even in his last bout with Adamek, he fought back even in that last 5th round before referee Bill Clancy finally halted it. So if he were to retire today, his career wouldn't look as bad as it would if he retired for good after the Tyson fight.    

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Golota is a flat-out weirdo. He’s a dirty, miserable fighter at so many points of his career that I cannot overlook it, and he had essentially no heart, but for whatever reason I never disliked him. I never was a fan, either, just never disliked him when I probably should have.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 16, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Oh I disliked him .He should’ve never got half the fights he gotten.He didn’t deserve them. He’s a quitter.After the Tyson fight, they should’ve banned him. He was doomed since the Bowe fights though. That should’ve been his glory, but he was too fuckin stupid to keep his gloves up. He has a history of these scandals. He doesn’t handle pressure well when he is tested. I’ve seen him flat out head butt people and elbow them and hit him below the belt. He’s just a dirty fuckin fighter with no heart. He’s a quitter.He should’ve retired a long time ago.

by killah27 on Nov 16, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

I like how the Bowe fights are called “unfortunate.” That’s a very diplomatic way of putting it. It’s like calling World War II “a scrape”, or saying Britney Spears has “questionable intelligence.”

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Wahahahahha! Yeah very true.It was a dark stain on boxing. It was a travesty. It was a deadly chemistry of Bowe’s thuggish entourage and Golota’s stupidity.The second bout only proved how undisciplined this dumb ass really was.

by killah27 on Nov 16, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you know what, i wouldn’t say it was a dark stain, but definitely a black eye. Golota could’ve been a great success story,but as we all know he panics.

by killah27 on Nov 16, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

I used to post on a boxing forum

with a polish guy. His avatar was a picture of Golota with “53S” on it. When did Golota ever “redeem” himself for getting kod in a title fight in 53 seconds?

Golota was a tremendous waste of talent, and beating Mike Mollo doesn’t change that.

by tichbou on Nov 16, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

The heavyweight division has been littered with huge wastes of talent in practically every era. There are all sorts of reason it happen: cowardice, insanity, drug abuse or just plain laziness. Now that he’s gone, Golota joins the ranks of Max Baer, Mike Dokes, Mike Weaver, Buster Douglas, Ollie McCall, Tommy Morrison, Tim Witherspoon, Ike Ibeabuchi and others as one of the great underachievers of the sport.

Hell, you know what? You can pretty much throw Bowe himself in with that group as well. Big Daddy was often Witherspoon-like in his inconsistency, and I think he could have been much better than he was if he took his career more seriously.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Add Pinklon Thomas to that list, too

by FCF on Nov 16, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would add both Thomas and my main man Tex Cobb… if I truly believed they had the kind of tools or talent required to “underachieve.” Personally, I think they just stunk, which is a different thing.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

To tichbou

I said that beating Mike Mollo made Golota redeem himself for quitting vs. Grant and Tyson, not for being knocked out by Lamon Brewster in 53 seconds. The Brewster bout was one in which Andrew didn’t have to really redeem himself for. It’s not like he fought dirty, quit, or employed any other of the antics from before. Against Lamon he came ready to fight, but got the crap knocked out of him. Brewster was a small, smart, fast-attacking fighter who studied Golota’s fights and knew the Pole was a slow starter. Being a slow starter is just a trait, so it ain’t something you have to redeem yourself for. The typical trait for European fighters is being “stand-up,” so does that mean that those guys have to make up for that? No.

by jdoro63 on Nov 16, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

beating Kevin McBride doesn’t redeem anyone of anything. Golota was a fighter that could have been great, but he blew every significant chance he had. I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue, that Golota’s career isn’t a huge disappointment?

by tichbou on Nov 16, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Golota’s career isn’t as disappointing as people exaggerate it to be. It’s disappointing in some form, but not hugely. I agree that he would of gone down as a true great, but if you watch the Byrd and Ruiz bouts, then you’ll know that he was robbed by the judges. So as far as blowing every significant chance he had goes, I disagree, it was the judges who blew it for him in those two title fights.

by jdoro63 on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s disappointing in some form, but not hugely.

I disagree with this statement. His career was HUGELY disapointing. If Golota just stunk, it would be a different story. But he had obvious talent. He mostly lost because of who he was: a jackass with no character.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 17, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Character

Golota did have character, it was uniqueness. He remains as one of the most unique characters in boxing history. He hasn’t been a jackass since quitting against Tyson.

by jdoro63 on Nov 18, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

“Just because you are a character doesn’t mean you have character.” — Winston Wolf, Pulp Fiction

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 18, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Courage

Golota does have character and it’s being courageous. It’s not easy being Andrew Golota after all those mishaps. He’s not like that anymore though, you guys are all stuck on the beginning portion of his career which was fighting dirty and quitting. These screw-ups though, are actually what made him develop the character of courage, he had it in him to return to the squared circle. How many guys do you know would come back after causing a riot, quitting in fights they were winning easily, being knocked out in 53 seconds in front of their hometown crowd, and ultimately failing to win the heavyweight title four times? I think most would probably drown in frustration first or fall into permanent depression. If it doesn’t take courage to return from circumstances like that I don’t know what does.

by jdoro63 on Nov 19, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

How many guys do you know would come back after causing a riot, quitting in fights they were winning easily, being knocked out in 53 seconds in front of their hometown crowd, and ultimately failing to win the heavyweight title four times?

How many guys do you know that cause riots, quit in fights they’re winning easily, get knocked out in 53 seconds in front of their hometown crowd, and ultimatey fail to win a heavyweight title four times? It’s not like there’s a wide population of test subjects that meet these criteria that we can analyze.

Golota is no different than tons of other journeymen heavyweights that never got over the top of the mountain. He remained semi-famous because of his infamy, and that came from all his strange and sometimes absurd behavior.

You’re choosing to look at Golota as redeemed; I don’t think beating Kevin McBride and Mike Mollo somehow erases anything. He failed often due to mental issues, and beating a couple of C-grade fighters later on doesn’t make him more than he is. It doesn’t make his career any less of a gigantic disappointment, and it doesn’t make him notably “courageous.”

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Are you kidding me?

Golota was a legend of boxing. How in the world can you say that he was no different than tons of other journeymen heavyweights that never made it. First of all, he wasn’t even a journeyman to begin with, secondly, in the 1990’s, he was consistently in the top ten by the major organizing bodies (WBC, IBF, WBA), as well as on the RING Magazine top five heavyweights of 1997. We’re talking about a guy who at points looked like he was the best heavyweight in the world. He is one of the best heavyweights to have never won a world title. He was one of the best heavies of 90’s. When we say journeymen, then Clifford Etienne and Charles Shufford come to mind, not Golota. Are you forgetting that Golota beat Danell Nicholson before ever facing Bowe? Was Nicholson a C-grade fighter? I don’t think so.

by jdoro63 on Nov 20, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Golota was a legend of boxing.

You and I have vastly different definitions of “legend.” He’s most famous for punching Bowe in the nuts.

First of all, he wasn’t even a journeyman to begin with, secondly, in the 1990’s, he was consistently in the top ten by the major organizing bodies (WBC, IBF, WBA), as well as on the RING Magazine top five heavyweights of 1997.

Yeah the sanctioning body rankings mean nothing to me. Being in a top five one year is not “legendary.”

We’re talking about a guy who at points looked like he was the best heavyweight in the world.

Yeah, and then every time proved that he wasn’t.

Are you forgetting that Golota beat Danell Nicholson before ever facing Bowe? Was Nicholson a C-grade fighter? I don’t think so.

Who on earth did Nicholson ever beat? Nobody. I defy you to look at Danell Nicholson’s record and find quality wins that would make me give Golota great credit for defeating him. I’m serious. Danell Nicholson’s 42 wins are about as empty as Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.’s 41.

I’m really happy for you that you love Andrew Golota, but I don’t.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

RE: Nicholson's record

I can give you two quality wins by Danell Nicholson: Jesse Ferguson and John Ruiz. The win vs. Ruiz is worth more than the one vs. Ferguson. Ruiz is a former 2-time Heavyweight World Champion. I’m guessing that you’ll probably say that a win against John Ruiz doesn’t mean anything. If so, then does that mean that if Golota beat him for the WBA Heavyweight Title back in November of ‘04, then your opinion of Golota still would be the same and such a win still wouldn’t of been redemption for punching Bowe in the nuts and acting stupid in the ring? I keep thinking that if Golota won at least one of the heavyweight title belts then you guys maybe would think different of him Perhaps not.

by jdoro63 on Nov 20, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I still can’t get the image of Golota taking a huge bite out of a guy in AC, when he was still climbing the ladder. Back then I just thought it was one of those bizarre, once-in-lifetime things. It was worse than Tyson biting Holy’s ear in some ways… it was a HUGE bite, like a bear would take! Anyway, bite or no-bite I remember he still looked really good to me in that fight, and he was on my radar. I didn’t realize until Bowe 1 just how demented Andrew was, and how it would totally destroy his career in the ring. Some boxers are such headcases it just cancels out whatever promise they might show (see Ollie McCall and Ike Ibeabuchi).

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

"...still can't get the image out of my mind..."

And when I say it was worse than the Tyson bites, I mean in terms of how blatant it was. In Holy-Tyson, there was some confusion in the crowd about what had happened. I was fairly close to the action when Goloata bit his guy, but it wasn’t like I was on press row or anything. There was a definite “Oooooh reaction” when he chomped on dude’s shoulder. It was like a Jaws movie.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I vaguely remember there being a lot of speculation when I was a kid about what would happen if Tyson fought a bear. I guess “NC 3” was actually the right answer, in hindsight.

by taco pal on Nov 20, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No, because title belts don’t really mean much to me. But I’ll give you Nicholson over Ruiz, although I’m seriously just being honest when I say I don’t think Ruiz hit his “stride” (whatever stride he’s ever had) until about six years after the Nicholson fight.

Jesse Ferguson had lost five fights in a row when Nicholson beat him.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The word “legend” get thrown around a little too much these days. If you’re gonna call Andrew Golota a “legend”, you might as well call Jameel McCline and Mike Weaver “legends.”

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh shit you sendin’ the Wolf?

Just call me The Profit

by Manuwar on Nov 25, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Golota had soooo many chances

just because he came close in two of them doesn’t forgive a career of underachievement.

by tichbou on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t feel he needs to be forgiven really. It’s just sport. It’s his potential etc.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 18, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

In hindsight I apologise for the moment of madness during which I said “it’s just a sport”. shakes self

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 18, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Only Byrd

I take back saying Golota was robbed against Ruiz, but against Byrd definitely.

by jdoro63 on Nov 27, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas was good in his day, pre-Berbick, pre-coke burnout. I’d also add Tubbs.

by FCF on Nov 16, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Now we’re just getting down and dirty with how much the early 80’s heavyweight scene straight up stunk. Why not throw Coatzee and Marv Frazier in there too? Scotty LeDoux, anyone?

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s the deal with Scott LeDoux? He’s a MN guy and there are many interesting stories about the guy. I’ve heard he was a cold mother in sparring sessions, crossing lines and hurting guys. You got any got info on LeDoux?

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 16, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s one thing I know about Scott LeDoux: Scott LeDoux was hands-down one of the worst, most undeserving Heavyweight Championship challengers in the entire history of Boxing. Scott LeDoux made Tex Cobb look like Billy Conn AND I MEAN THAT EXACTLY THE WAY IT SOUNDS.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ooook. gotcha.

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean I’m sure he was a wonderful guy, kind to children and puppies, etc. It was just beyond ludicrous for Larry to take him on in a “championship fight.” It was all about the politics of the time, and Larry saying FU to the sanctioning goons, but it was still a messed up title defense.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I just watched some highlights, Bruno kicking his ass. He looks small, wide open slap left hook. Tries to move his head though.

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 16, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn good highlight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlY1AUcJM3I&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-HM

Don’t know the policy on posting vids, though I probably should, but this is just hilarious. And Big George “peacemaker”.

"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams

by lcollins1 on Nov 16, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

YouTube stuff is fine.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 17, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Come on dude, that's not cool.

Scott LeDoux is currently dying of a brain disease. I’m not saying you’re not entitled to an opinion on him as a fighter, but a little respect?

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports/scott-ledoux-begins-the-fight-of-his-life-against-twitches_100179228.html

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 17, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, it’s nothing personal. I also think Tex Cobb stunk as a boxer, but I really like the guy. Every fighter possesses a certain amount of bravery, but not every boxer is a tremendous talent or worthy of a champsionship fight. In the early 80’s it seemed like they were handing out Heavyweight title shots like Tootsie Rolls on Halloween. I mean, it’s the Heavywight Championship… it should be a very prestigious event.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 17, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I will say this about Scott LeDoux. Unlike a lot of the other guys on the list, he seemed like he actually trained and prepared pretty well for his fights. I’m convinced that for most of the 80’s heavyweight “contenders”, training consisted of waking up at noon, sinffing a few lines of coke, winging a few shots at a heavy bag and then drinking a keg of beer.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 17, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

It just seemed a little OTT to dump on a guy who currently cannot hold his knife and fork, y’know?

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 17, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone needs to make that a scene in a boxing movie

Comedy, drama, biopic, I don’t care. I need to see that scene.

by black dragon on Nov 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just saying I don’t see Tubbs as so much of an “underachiever” as a guy who achieved about as much as he probably could. Same goes for Bonecrusher Smith. I think the main reason they didn’t reach the pinnacle of fame and glory is because they weren’t all that talented. But Tim Witherspoon? That mother had boatloads of talent, but was inconsistent and often beat himself in training. He could have been a dominant world champion, but was too lazy to bemuch more than “in the mix.”

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t agree. Tubbs and Thomas were a lot better (or could have been, since that’s what’s at hand) than Coetzee and Marvis; and at least as good as McCall and Weaver. Along with others on your list, they were genuinely talented fighters for whom poor “refueling” habits meant that they didn’t shine as brightly or for as long as they should have done.

I don’t disagree with your take on Witherspoon – he could have been a lot better than he was (and he was good) if it wasn’t for Don King/Drugs/Laziness etc. Reminds me of a joke that did the rounds in the UK (or at least in my school) after he beat Bruno:

“You know that boxer that just beat Bruno, what’s-his-name, He’s just been killed in a streetfight in America”
“What, Witherspoon”
“No, with a knife”

by FCF on Nov 16, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No firsthand knowledge, but from what I’ve read the conventional wisdom is that the aptly-named Tubbs had talent but was just too fat.

by taco pal on Nov 17, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Naw, TNT wasn’t fat. Reminds me of Tex Cobb (on being called a fat, cocaine snorting , drunk):

"Hey, I’m not fat!"

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 17, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He weighed in the 220s for most of his early career, up to and including his title win against Page, then lost it (in both senses) via a close majority at 244 vs a 227 Witherspoon. I don’t who it was, but I remember that fight being described as “like watching two ugly people fuck”. After that he struggled to stay below 240 for the rest of his career. Looking back, he did really well for one-and-a-half rounds against Tyson in 88, and sort-of laid the blueprint for a similar-ish large, fast, mobile heavyweight with a good jab to beat him in 1990.

FWIW, Witherspoon was 217 in his title loss to Thomas, which was a very good weight for him.

by FCF on Nov 18, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I watched that video on Youtube again after posting yesterday. He landed some good shots on Tyson.

I think Tony Tucker laid out part of the blueprint even before Tubbs did though.

by taco pal on Nov 18, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally think Quick Tillis laid the blueprint. Buster Douglas was like a better, stronger copy of Tillis. Tillis basically lost their fight because of a flash knockdown. Otehr than that you could’ve scored that bout either way.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 18, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, Tillis did give him fits. Watched that fight, and a load of other, even earlier Tyson fights (plus build-ups!) on a long haul flight last year – blew my mind when I saw them on the TV menu. Plane could have ditched in the sea and I wouldn’t have got out.

by FCF on Nov 18, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That comment has made me laugh..... :)

I know what you mean, I stop noticing anything when I’m watching boxing, there could be a mushroom cloud visible out my window and I wouldn’t look away from the screen….

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 19, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed – Pac vs Cotto last Saturday being a prime example

by FCF on Nov 19, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed (about Tucker). You’ve jogged an old memory there: 4am in the morning, bell goes for end of first round Tyson vs Tucker, and my Dad turns and says, “what about that, then?!”

by FCF on Nov 18, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Throw Mike Bounty Hunter in there as well

In terms of talent, he had as much as most of those late 80’s/ early 90’s HWs, but threw it away with drug abuse and intermittent out of ring violence. Maybe his son will be able to redeem him somewhat.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

In some ways, Golota trumps a lot of these guys. He had a lot of natural ability, good ring intelligence, a toolbox full of punches, good movement, size, physical stamina. It was supremely frustrating to watch him throw all of this out the window in his fights with Bowe, particularly since he was winning both of them handily. I remember around round 5 of the first on, I was looking and feeling like a genius for picking Golota to torment and rout the lazy Pig Daddy. But, in a preview of the rest of his career, Andrew became the victim of his own gutter lowlife mentality and his dime-sized heart. If Witherspoon was the 80’s poster child for underachievers, Golota was the 90’s version.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 16, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, every time I rewatch the two Bowe/Golota fights, I find myself sucked in by Golota’s skills and trying to will him not to throw those low blows. When he was on his game, Golota was a tremendously entertaining fighter, especially for a heavyweight. He was aggressive, threw a lot of punches, threw them in good combinations… if he wasn’t such a heartless knucklehead, his skills and style could’ve made him one of the best of the (admittedly weak) era.

Only recent heavyweight who disappointed me more was Ibeabuchi. Man, that guy had it all… great chin, great power, threw tons of punches, could fight all night. That left he landed on Chris Byrd to knock him stupid is still one of the greatest punches I’ve ever seen, made even more satisfying because of how much I hated Byrd. He really had the potential to dominate the division, if not for the minor issue of being dangerously insane.

by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Golota STILL moves better than most heavyweights, and he’s 41 years old. In terms of mobility, he looked very good against Adamek. I fall in the “hugely disappointing” camp on Golota, too.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 18, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

Disappointing, yes, but I have a heck of a lot more sympathy for someone like Zelkjo Mavrovic, who was probably every bit as good as Golota and was a stand-up individual, but who had his career cut short by illness unrelated to boxing. Fortunately for him, he has made a recovery and actually makes good money running organic farms in Croatia.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 18, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no sympathy for Golota.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 18, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it Mavrovic who had the jabbing contest with Lewis?

I seem to remember a real jab-fest going on in their fight. Manny Steward probably does sexwees down his own leg every time he watches that fight….

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by Chaos100 on Nov 19, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

White guy with the mohawk. Gave Lewis one of the tougher fights of his prime.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

There was a Boxing After Dark recently, where some young featured boxer (Andre Berto? Lamont Peterson? Chad Dawson") was winning handily but not going for a KO, and Lewis defended him by saying “Sometimes the KO just isn’t there. Like in my fight against Zeljko Mavrovic, I tried as hard as I could for the KO but it wasn’t there.” At which point Kellerman exclaimed “What?” and started snickering. Can’t remember which BAD that was.

by taco pal on Nov 19, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that may have been Berto-Urango

And the comment was ridiculous because Berto wasn’t even trying. He was just hugging, hitting and jogging all fight.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Google, it may have actually been Klitschko-Ibragimov. But I can’t confirm that because, oddly enough, it doesn’t seem as if anyone has ever put in the time and effort to post that fight on Youtube! (shocking!) I did find this, however:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubr4pVYeZS4

by taco pal on Nov 19, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work

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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2009 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Thta’s pretty funny. Lewis got owned by Kellerman. I think something similar happened during the Berto-Urango fight which was basically just Kellerman going into an in-depth critique of Berto’s technique and tactics while everyone else fell asleep.

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 20, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

watched that a few months ago. Kept waiting for the KO to come but it never happened. It was a good fight, that guy was tough. What happened to him?

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by lcollins1 on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

that was his last fight. surprising.

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by lcollins1 on Nov 19, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He nearly died after the fight

Never became 100% clear what it was, but he became deathly ill with some kind of condition where the doctors told him he needed to quit boxing. Afterwards, he became a very successful farmer. Became an organic grower long before it became trendy, and evidently he now makes a ton of money selling ‘farm-fresh’ high quality ingredients in Croatia.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

http://www.eko-mavrovic.hr/

Sort of funny, but the food actually looks really good, especially being a big cured meat fan.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: Your comments

Since McBride is C-grade, let’s forget him then. What about when Andrew fought very well against John Ruiz? Most ring observers felt he won that fight. I think that right there erases some of the dirtiness from the Bowe rematch. This is just my opinion though, because apparently it seems to some of you that even if Golota won a world belt nothing could erase the picture in your head of him throwing those low-blow combos in the ninth round of Bowe II.

by jdoro63 on Dec 1, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Questions;

1) Why/how does something that happened in a later fight “erase” something distasteful?

2) Why are you so obsessed with the redemption of something that most people just don’t care about?

3) What are you planning to do with your time now your career is all but over, Mr Golota?

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by Chaos100 on Dec 2, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

RE: Questions

1) It doesn’t. I agree that it will always remain distateful no matter how many times you watch it.
2) I’m a diehard Golota fan, so obviously I care about him and you don’t because you’re one of the many Golota-haters out there. That makes perfect sense.
3) Golota hasn’t officially announced his retirement yet. With his time he’ll be healing his injury and then hopefully start training for another return. He’s still a mobile fighter, so don’t count him out totally against the current crop of underachieving heavies. A bout with Kali Meehan has victory written all over it.

by jdoro63 on Dec 10, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

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