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Pacquiao doesn't want to fight Marquez again, Roach wants it at 145

Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao met in two thrilling encounters in 2004 and 2008. Pacquiao doesn't believe the public wants a third bout anymore. (Photo by Bret Newton, www.pound4pound.com / www.threatphoto.com)

With Bob Arum mentioning that a third Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez fight could be made if a Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight isn't doable, word is already circulating that Pacquiao himself has little interest, and that trainer Freddie Roach would want the fight at a weight that should make it as unappealing for most as it already is for me.

Roach told The Philippine Star that he'd want the fight at 145 pounds, which sounds like nothing more than an obvious Pacquiao walk-over to me. In fact, Pacquiao-Marquez III at 145 pounds is such an obvious destruction job by Pacquiao (in my opinion, of course) that I'd have to find some way to talk myself into even ordering that fight.

145, in fact, is what he wants for anyone, which is just kind of grating at this point. Those two pounds are not the difference, and they will not get Floyd Mayweather to do 145. Mayweather couldn't make 144 (or never really tried to) against Marquez, coming in at 146 and paying $600,000 for being overweight. He's a welterweight now. I know catchweights have been around forever, but it kind of stinks that the Pacquiao camp is so terribly confident, even arrogant, but they won't go to 147 to take on anyone besides what Roach knew was a shot Oscar de la Hoya.

If they feel Manny is so strong at 145, then have him weigh in at 144 or 145. He weighed in at 142 for Oscar and was fine. I realize they'd want to drain the opponent, but isn't that just as "cheap" in this silly warrior gladiator man's man John Wayne Jim Braddock code we seem to expect all fighters to live by?

But apart from that, Pacquiao said he doesn't want the Marquez fight anymore:

"Would people come and watch a Marquez fight? I don’t think so," said Pacquiao.

Truthfully, a third fight between the two feels an awful lot like Pacquiao-Morales III. Pacquiao lost to Morales the first time around, and beat up on him the second time. We all knew Morales was on the downside by the third fight, but it was made anyway, and Pacquiao mashed him inside of three rounds to the surprise of nobody.

Like Morales, I have no doubt that Marquez would go out on his shield, but I also have no doubt he'd go out quickly and viciously. He weighed in at 144 to fight the far less aggressive Floyd Mayweather Jr., and he didn't win a minute of the fight. He was heavy, he was incredibly slow, and he really got nothing done offensively. Pacquiao is far more inclined to go in for the finish than Mayweather is, and I think that spells an early doom for Marquez were they to fight a third time.

This is not a knock on Marquez. He's still a tremendous fighter, or at least will be if he goes back down to 135 pounds. I have nothing in the world but great admiration for his skills, his toughness, his tenacity and his pride. But fighting Pacquiao at 145 pounds would be absolutely nothing more than a grab at money. Marquez himself has to know that weight is terrible for him, and obviously it works just fine for Manny Pacquiao. It wouldn't be any more competitive a fight on paper than Mayweather-Marquez was.

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Clearly, 145 for Pac-Marquez III is a nonsense and despite his qualities, Roach does himself no favours at all as a person by suggesting that.

I just don’t get this ‘fight at 147’ thing for Pac now though. He was fine giving up 3lbs at weigh in to DLH because he was shot, and he manhandled Cotto at 144 because he was just way better than him in the end. Before the fight though, there was no way at all he would have fought at 147. Why should he give away 3lbs to a better fighter than Cotto in PBF? He’s not DLH. He’s not in the view of the majority ‘clearly better’ than PBF pre fight that he was with Cotto, judging from the hypothetical line on the fight.

Why should he have to pack on more to come up another couple of pounds when he’s come up so far already, and is much closer to his walk around weight?

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 18, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

If Pac moved from 135 to the welterweight limit then why can’t his opponents also make a concession to make the fight happen?

by MannyPacquiao on Nov 18, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah man, I think BrianBrock is speaking in favor of Pacquiao.

In a sense that he agrees that pac should not fight at 147, rather than under 145 by catchweight. Your questions, if directed to him, aren’t necessary.

by Fj-3 on Nov 19, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

GREAT FNK ARTICLE

The only thing that I Disagree is that Marquez would LOSE. MP is wrong if he thinks that no one wants to see a Third Fight between MP and JMM, It should happen at 135 to 140 to Finally Settle the the Score. Both were Great Fights and a Third would be Awesome!!!

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

btw

I know its just a pound or two, but for me its just the principle of who’s coming up/down to challenge who, and as they both have kind of equal billing, so 145/146 is fairer in that sense rather than 147.

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 18, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

I think they know Floyd can’t make 145, or at least that he won’t bend to it here.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a bargaining chip though, at the very least. Why concede it now if you could trade it for some extra money later?

by taco pal on Nov 18, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying they shouldn’t try, just that it’s not going to happen. It’ll be a “tradeoff.”

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 18, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

146 then

although the way Roach is talking with wanting the deck loaded in his favor with his 145 for JMM, he’ll probably want PBF at 144…lol

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 18, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

Wouldn’t dought that…LOL

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

rgb you is on a few beers hey....lol

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 18, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I just have to be TRUTHFUL , Freddie Roach and Company wan’t Everything their Way. The Fight should be at 147 and may the Beteer Man Win!!!

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah your're right...

clearly with Marquez, but I cannot personally see any concession to 147 for PBF on principle, and I hope that viewed in the overall context, people will see thats not unreasonable.

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 18, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Make it Happen

They need to fight at 147 no Catchweight of 145, thasnot going to Happen with FM. They wan’t that Fight Too and Eventually it will Happen at 147 50-50 Split. What other Options does FM have, hewant’s no Part of Mosley.

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Pac-PBF at 147?

No way. Just no way. You said may the better man win, well, at 147, PBF would be the better man— would you want it to be that conclusive at the beginning? Plus, Floyd needs to pay for not making the weight against JMM, he should be responsible this time around for the fans.

by Fj-3 on Nov 19, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Nov 19, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

your Right

FM has to fight at 147 also he is saying that MP Cotto fight should do more PV Buys than he and JMM cause he didn’t have a dance partner. He’s the King of PV, Ha Ha

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

i kind of want this fight to happen so that JMM can finally just give up all pacman talk, but this will be such a joke that i won’t even bother watching the replay on HBO the week after

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 18, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Won't go down like that

When and if they make a third Fight I will be Happy to Take your Money!!!

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Manny does not want the JMM fight...

Because, perhaps like the majority of fight fans, he knows it could be a blow out. I remember the articles the day before and the day of that second fight, Manny was unusualy hotheaded as he could barely make the 130-lb weight limit. Ariza mentioned a few days ago that he even caught Pac running to shed the extra pounds the day of the weigh in. And we all know what has become of Manny after he was unleashed through the higher weight classes. Destructive.

by arch on Nov 18, 2009 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

No Desctruction

It Won’t be a Destruction at 140 and all True boxing Fans wan’t to seea Third fight but they want MP to Fght Mayweather First.

by rgb on Nov 18, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

NOTRILOGY IS NEEDED...

There’s no need for them to fight again. A trilogy is not needed. The sport is rolling right now moving forward and not backwards. If any thing give some one else a chance to get in that spot light.

by Haans Bishop on Nov 18, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Weight Limits

We all know there’s a WHOLE BUNCH of BS behind Floyd Mayweather Jr. and a whole lot of posturing. I’m not taking anything away from his boxing skills. But Pacquiao’s team? If he’s a welterweight, fight at the welterweight limit.

it kind of stinks that the Pacquiao camp is so terribly confident, even arrogant, but they won’t go to 147 to take on anyone besides what Roach knew was a shot Oscar de la Hoya.

I believe most fighters will probably more or less accept any terms from Team Pacquiao (Roach) because he’s the top meal ticket. I recall Mosley saying he would go down to face Pacquiao and he’s past 35 years old.

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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 19, 2009 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

And Mosley would have gotten wailed on.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Mayweather and Pacquiao

are each other’s top meal ticket. At this point if they want top $ they will have to face each other.

Mayweather should agree at 145 but force a fight in March. Or give them the month they want and fight at 147.

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Nov 19, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd probably need the extra time to get to 145

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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i got no desire to see the beating Pac-Man would put on JMM in a 3rd fight.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 19, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Me neither

thankfully it would seem that Pacquiao agrees.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 19, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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