Vazquez-Marquez IV looks to be back on, Hopkins looking at David Haye
by SC on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 AM EST
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Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times that a fourth fight between Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez is looking like a go for February 27 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
He said Huntington Park's Israel Vazquez has signed to have a fourth fight with Mexico's Rafael Marquez on Feb. 27 at Staples Center. The super-bantamweight champion Vazquez engaged in two fights of the year with Marquez, but endured more than a yearlong layoff after suffering a detached retina in the memorable third fight in March 2008.
Schaefer said Marquez's promoter, Gary Shaw, and Showtime have expressed a strong willingness to make the fourth fight happen, and he expects it will.
A lot of us have said that we're not exactly itching to see Vazquez-Marquez IV, and as much as I love both fighters, I'm one of those people. Vazquez looked like he had almost nothing left in his October return against what was a very questionable opponent. Maybe it was that much rust, but I have my doubts.
But I can't argue with these guys wanting to make some money. Given the wars, they're unlikely to be fighting at the high level much long, or even fighting at all much longer. And a fourth fight with one another is going to pay them more than any other fight can.
I do wonder if Marquez's squabbles with Shaw have been resolved, because apparently that is part of what got in the way a few weeks back when Showtime offered what Shaw remembered as a one-time only deal of $2.5 million for this fight. Shaw seemed willing then to negotiate a buyout with Marquez, so we'll see what has changed.
Schaefer also named a date (March 13) for Jones-Hopkins II should both win their December 2 tune-ups, and says that Hopkins wants to move up to heavyweight and fight David Haye after that. Man, that is an intriguing idea, but I do not see a blown-up, 45-year-old Hopkins beating someone as strong as Haye.
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Is it just me
or does the Haye idea seem like “Step 2” in an attempt to definitively prove himself a greater boxer than Roy Jones Jr.? Obviously, Step 1 is the rematch, with the Haye matchup giving him the ability to call himself a heavyweight titleholder like Jones?
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 19, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Bernard’s just become more and more ambitious as he’s gotten older, but I can certainly see how it can be perceived as Bernard trying to one-up Jones or at least even his resume completely.
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by SC on Nov 19, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Bernard but I would try to fight Holyfield first to try and test the waters of the Heavy weight division. Bernard is a “Gym Rat” so he must see something that can be exploited with Haye.
by Haans Bishop on Nov 19, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh dear god no
don’t give Holyfield any encouragement. There are any number of fringe contenders or former contenders in the HW division that he could fight as a tune up as a heavyweight. Problem is, a tune up at HW probably means he wouldn’t have any crack at Haye until 2011, once you factor in the current fight and the RJJ fight—is Hopkins planning on going on that long?
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 19, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, that is an intriguing idea, but I do not see a blown-up, 45-year-old Hopkins beating someone as strong as Haye.
Man, what happened to “I will never bet against Bernard Hopkins again?” At 45 years young, I’m sure he would give David Haye all he could handle.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 19, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I don’t think he’d win, but he would certainly not be an easy match-up, if he went in there and MEANT it.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Nov 19, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not even really a light heavyweight. I had serious doubts about his ability to deal with Adamek at cruiser, too. Haye’s a lot bigger than him, and this wouldn’t be Bernard going in with the natural physical gifts that Jones had at the time of John Ruiz. They were talking about Bernard weighing about 185 to fight Adamek. Fighting a 220-pound Haye would be a rough proposition, great as Hop is.
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by SC on Nov 19, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haye is as chinny as it gets, so i’d bet my life on bhop if that fight ever went through
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Hopkins knocked ANYONE out?
Sure, Haye was KDed by Lolenga Mock, but Hopkins didn’t even carry his power up to 175, much less heavyweight. He scored a flash knockdown on Calzaghe, a fighter with a decent but not really good chin (but great recovery capabilities). He scored a “knockdown” against Tarver that probably wasn’t even a knockdown at all. Last guy he KOed was De La Hoya, 5 years ago, who was a natural 154 pounder. Before that, the last guy he really knocked out was Antwun Echols, which was nearly a decade ago.
I’m sorry, but as sketchy as Haye’s chin is, I just don’t think he has the power to knock out Haye.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Haye's chin is surely a bit better than it was at 200 now that he's not weight drained
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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he has the power to even dent Haye. He could outbox him, although it’s not like Haye stinks.
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by SC on Nov 19, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uhh
Haye is as chinny as it gets
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by SC on Nov 19, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
forgot about that dude. coincidence that both haye & khan are brits and chinny?
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 19, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe its the weather
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or somethin' like that
but mama you been on my mind
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by SC on Nov 19, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody?
goddamn
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by SC on Nov 19, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What, like our normally damp jawbones dry out in the desert heat of Nevada and become brittle?
by FCF on Nov 19, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Herbie Hide and Audley Harrison
Brits are genetically chinny as a rule, regardless of ethnicity or background.
>:0
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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can have Bruno, too
But right back at cha with Eubank, and Farr, and um…….Jem Mace?
by FCF on Nov 19, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 19, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Lonsdale really is a cool looking belt.
by Nick_ on Nov 19, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cooper >>>>>> Froch
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 19, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Way better than that rainbow one
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by Brickhaus on Nov 19, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
be serious mate, Haye would probably be as quick as him, would have a longer each (not sure on the excat dimensions) and as wel all know is very strong at HW
by Sweet science on Nov 19, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that Herol Graham was especially chinny or anything
but as long we we’re talking about brits getting chin checked, can’t forget about my favorite KO of all time. Bonus points for the british commentators not even trying to be even handed.
by tichbou on Nov 19, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
holy mother of christ was that a sweet KO
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Massive KO.....
Great shot. I don’t know a lot about Graham, but my best mate always refers to him as chinny…. Mind you,there was nothing chinny about that, a right hand like that would stop a bloody elephant!!
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Nov 19, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched Graham fight Brewer at Boardwalk Hall in his very last fight. He was really too old and war weary to be in there, but I remember that he made a pretty good exciting fight out of it. Almost a closet classic, really.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 19, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham was damn good in his prime – a real will-o’-wisp with a solid right hand, but unfortunately no big-match temperament.
by FCF on Nov 19, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that didn’t look right when I typed it – of course, he was a leftie!
by FCF on Nov 19, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love the ref counting him out
WTF was he thinking? He could have been seriously hurt.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 19, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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