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Cotto-Pacquiao destroys Mayweather-Marquez at the gate

Lasvegas-mgmgrand_medium USA Today's J. Michael Falgoust reports that the November 14 fight between Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao was a big live success in Las Vegas, blowing out the Mayweather-Marquez fight from September in money drawn at the gate and tickets sold.

The gate from last weekend's showdown between Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto— which will air on HBO Saturday (10 p.m. ET/PT) — was $8.84 million with 15,470 tickets sold.

That's 3,500 more tickets sold and $2 million more than what Mayweather's comeback from a near two-year layoff drew when he fought Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September on Mexican independence weekend.

Most interesting to me was this comparison, which probably highlights the difference in demographics between the crowds. Cotto-Pacquiao had the MGM filled with people who wanted to see the fight. Mayweather-Marquez had the MGM almost filled with people who came to see the big boxing show in Las Vegas.

No tickets were sold beneath face value for Pacquiao-Cotto. For Mayweather's bout, 94 tickets were sold at 50% discount and 895 were comps, or giveaways while just 46 comps were doled out for Pacquiao-Cotto.

And then there's PPV, which will have figures released later today. The Mayweather camp is already excusing themselves from the comparison by saying that Pacquiao "had a dance partner," apparently operating now under the idea that Juan Manuel Marquez is a bum with no fans, while selling us beforehand on Marquez's ability to draw in the Mexican audience as one of the reasons they chose to fight him in the first place.

They'll go back to pointing at their better numbers with Oscar and Hatton, not acknowledging the fact that Oscar and Hatton were both better "dance partners" when Floyd fought them than when Pacquiao fought them, and that Pacquiao also fought both in a recession. And they'll say, "I did a million homes with Marquez! But guess what! Guess what! But guess what! Guess what! He only did 400,000," except they probably won't even say 400,000, they'll say something lower than that, which might mean that Pacquiao-Marquez at 130 pounds in 2008 is about equal to Floyd's riveting fight with Carlos Baldomir in 2006. But hey, who's counting?

Floyd and Manny have become big stars in pretty much the exact same way. They were both noted as great fighters, but as draws, they were what they were. Manny was pretty good for his size -- again, nobody has ever sold more PPVs at that weight or lower than Pacquiao-Marquez II sold -- and Floyd just never quite got rolling.

Oscar de la Hoya made them both PPV forces. They took that momentum and ran with it. Floyd did it with his personality first, and his great skill second. Manny did it with his ferocious performances first, and a personality second, a personality that is something that I think American fans are just in love with at this point. The casual boxing fans out there barely recognized in a pre-MP world that there are Filipino boxers, let alone this force of nature.

If you want to be black and white about it, and make it really, really simple, then let's say it this way:

  • Floyd outdrew Manny with Oscar, Hatton and Marquez;
  • Manny's numbers with all three of them were excellent;
  • Manny looks to have just smoked Floyd with guys who were similar-level stars.

Floyd will want to talk about the past, Manny will want to talk about right now, and they'll continue to bicker for a little while.

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i disagree … jmm does not have the draw cotto has, he doesnt sell out msg every year despite who ever hes facing. jmm is widely known to the hardcores and not to many beyond that … no one expected jmm pbf to do as many buys as it did … pac cotto had huge hype and it was widely excepted that it would break 1 million buys …

is pac as big of a draw and name as pbf probably … is cotto a bigger name and bigger profile then jmm imo definitely.

also since ‘no one’ was interested in pbf jmm i am not surprised about the gate as well since pac cotto was a fight ‘everyone’ was interested in.

props to pac cotto and top rank, i heard it mentioned yesterday the numbers were 1.7 million buys and counting … if thats true its great news for boxing. its still a shame the bobfather couldnt out together a decent undercard for us, who woulda ever thought yuri woulda been in the best fight of the undercard …

by boxzilla on Nov 20, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

its still a shame the bobfather couldnt out together a decent undercard for us

You mean you weren’t thrilled watching JCCjr outpoint a guy who was less than a year ago was in a “medically induced coma”?

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree … jmm does not have the draw cotto has, he doesnt sell out msg every year despite who ever hes facing.

You mean top contenders Zab Judah (a New Yorker), Shane Mosley and Joshua Clottey? He wasn’t exactly selling out MSG with bums.

jmm is widely known to the hardcores and not to many beyond that

Same can be said for Cotto. They both have a strengthened position on their ethnicity.

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by SC on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly high profile fight with high profile opponents in a high profile venue where he was the higher profile fighter = to me a higher profile … and i went to jennings cotto and it was full there too against a dood with a padded record … look at juanma’s hes still fighting in the theatre with a pretty loaded card …

not saying that jmm has no profile … but i think cottos with his fighting style in the higher profile weightclass is the higher profile fighter …

by boxzilla on Nov 20, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that fight almost induced a coma on the whole crowd … at least the hbo team kept it real and stated plainly that jcc jr sux balls … i think those were merchants exact words too

by boxzilla on Nov 20, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, HBO did a good job of making fun of that mess. I remember there was one point in the fourth round or so where they just stopped describing the fight and just started cracking up. Arum found a light-punching club fighter who was recently swine flu’d into a coma, and there were points in the fight where Junior was still getting outboxed.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arum found a light-punching club fighter who was recently swine flu’d into a coma

Actually it’s his brother who has swine flu.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you are right

It was was sort of loud where I was watching the fight, and I guess when they started talking about flus and comas I thought they were referring to Rowland’s three year layoff.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So how do you really feel SC?

I don’t think that I have ever read articles that were so biased.

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on Nov 20, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see any bias here. I think you can reasonably argue that Cotto and Marquez are equal caliber stars. Frankly when you take into account the sheer number of Mexican and Mex-American boxing fans, Marquez is the bigger overall star. But I think the real story of this gate and buyrate is that Manny is now a crossover star. With his TV and print appearances and fan-friendlystyle, I think he’s drawing way more casual fans than any of us would have guessed. It’s not that Floyd isn’t drawing, it’s that Manny’s star is on the rise.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s biased? That Floyd constantly paints everything to favor him, and discredits what doesn’t? Sorry, but his discrediting tactics deserve to be debunked if they’re debunkable. Pacquiao is the hotter star right now. Mayweather is boxing’s other big card. In their most recent fights, Pacquiao outdrew him at the gate and is evidently going to smash him on PPV, too. Marquez was picked because he was the big Mexican star who brought the big Mexican fanbase, but now that Cotto-Pacquiao turned out to be a bigger fight than Mayweather-Marquez, Mayweather discredits Marquez. So why did he fight him?

This is a lot like Cruise questioning Nicholson in A Few Good Men, except “Did you order the Code Red?” becomes “Did you take an easy fight for the money against Marquez?” and I don’t expect Floyd to ever go, “YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!”

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 20, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But guess what? Guess what? But guess what? Guess What?

You can’t handle the truth!

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

both cards were a success … the cotto pac fight was a bigger one cause it was plain and simple a better matchup and deservedly got a lot more hype and attention hence more sales … if pbf fought cotto instead of jmm i would’ve expected the same result cause it was a fight that has the ingredients to intrigue and sell big.

while pbf jmm was still far more successful then most had expected, because in reality no one seemed to really care about it, there was little hype and was seen as a mismatch and a come back fight … and that being so it did extremely well.

by boxzilla on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The articles you write seem to be about you and your thoughts. I love news and information which is what drew me here. Your’’s is commentary which is okay but not disguised as news.

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on Nov 20, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well it is his website, after all. I think most people come here to read his commentary and analysis on boxing news, and for the excellent RBR coverage and boxing discussions.

It’s worth noting that most “Boxing news” you see is naturally pretty biased, because it comes packaged in press releases, softball interviews and press quotes from interested parties. Analysis is about separating the hype from the reality, and for my money Christ has been doing that very well for several years now.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I come here for dick jokes

I am currently disappointed.

by tichbou on Nov 20, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look down your pants, ho ho ho ho…

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Nov 20, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only circumcised dick jokes, I'm guessing

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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We talk about the news. We’re not a news site. I’m not debating that at all. It’s not a news site in the traditional sense. We’ll get the news to you, but then we’re going to talk about it. If you want just the facts, ma’am, then click the articles we link and read those, then add your own thoughts and ignore me. I mean, I’m cool with that. Either way I’m happy you’re here.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can deal with that. As long as I know what’s going on, then I can make the adjustments. It was just odd to come and think that you’re reading one thing and then there’s another. I’ll just alter my thinking before clicking the link.

Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.

-Mike

by Craigman on Nov 20, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s understandable, and I’m glad it’s cleared up. We have a “News” section because it’s the simplest, most familiar way to tag something that isn’t an opinion piece, or a feature article, but covers news in the boxing world. We’ll always talk about it, or else I feel like we’re adding nothing. We’re not news-breakers, so we had to carve our own niche. That’s a big part of it, and we always link to the sources. Sometimes stuff comes from press releases we get or the like, and I always make it clear that the blockquoted stuff is from a press release.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 20, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, how could anyone have guessed this site would be among the 99.9% of blogs that are devoted mainly to commentary?

by taco pal on Nov 20, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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