Why Pacquiao-Mayweather needs to be in Vegas
Lately, there's been a lot of noise that Bob Arum is putting out feelers to have a Pacquiao-Mayweather superfight in a location other than Las Vegas. He's already spoken to Jerry Jones about using the Dallas Cowboys' stadium. There have been some quieter rumors about looking at Wembley Stadium in the UK. But at the end of the day, the fight needs to be in Vegas, and it has nothing to do with the fight atmosphere.
Mayweather and Pacquiao are both in it for the money
Heck, Mayweather even goes by the name "Money" these days. Pacquaio often comes across as being a bit more altruistic, but he cares about the dollars as well. He threatened to put the kabosh on his fight with Ricky Hatton until Hatton agreed to a 50/50 split of UK revenues. And whoever promotes the fight, the promoter surely stands more to gain by having the fight in the most profitable location rather than the most significant location. To figure out where the fight would be held, you need to follow the green brick road.
You can charge exorbitant ticket prices in Vegas
One great thing about the Nevada State Athletic Commission is that they actually publish all of their live gates, so you know how much a fight has made just off the ticket sales. The all-time high live gate was Mayweather-De La Hoya, which brought in over $18 million in ticket sales. Mayweather-Hatton brought in over $10 million. Pacquiao-Hatton and Pacquiao-Cotto both brought in about $8 million. This means that Mayweather-De La Hoya was able to average over $1,000 per ticket. Even the lowest of these, Pacquiao-Hatton, averaged about $575 per ticket. Figure that a megafight of this magnitude would be somewhere in the middle, but probably closer to the record. Splitting the baby, which I think is conservative, they would be able to sell 17,000 tickets at about $800 a pop. That brings in $13.6 million in live gate alone. Nowhere else in the world is there enough money just waiting to be spent that you can average a ticket price that high.
The casinos are willing to pay...
For the biggest fights, casinos are willing to pay massive site fees in order to retain a fight. If you have a huge fight, tons of people (not just the people buying tickets) end up in the casino, and at the end of the day, the house wins more money than it spends from the extra gamblers. Mayweather-Hoya was rumored to have a site fee in the $15 - $20 million range, although no official number was released. Mayweather-Hatton had a $7 million site fee. Even a dud like Hopkins-Calzaghe got an $8 million site fee from Planet Hollywood. Conservatively, the site fee for a fight this big should be around $10 million, and it could be much larger than that. That brings revenues from holding the fight in Vegas up to around $23.6 million, and possibly as high as around $35 million.
...and others aren't
Once upon a time, there were mysterious benefactors who wanted to pay for the biggest fights in order to bring publicity to their countries. To host the Rumble in the Jungle, President Mobutu paid Don King a site fee of $10 million (about $35 million in 2009 dollars). I just can't think of any benefactor who would be willing to come up with that kind of coin to have the fight hosted in their hometown. Bob Arum's been talking for years about having a big fight in Dubai, but it would probably cost someone $30 million out of pocket to make it worth everyone's while to hold a fight over there. With budget crunches everywhere, it's unlikely that anyone would be willing to pay a huge site fee unless they pretty much know they'll be getting the money back, like a casino.
The fight needs to be indoors
This one's pretty self-explanatory. In the past, there have been major fights aired in temporary outdoor stadiums, but that just can't happen. First, the liability is too great these days to have a large temporary stadium. Second, if a fight gets rained out, everyone loses lots of money. It wasn't such a big deal when fights were being aired on network TV - if there's a rainout on World Wide of Sports, they can just put the fight on next week's edition, and everyone's pretty happy. But in a pay-per-view situation, a rescheduled fight would probably require months of remarketing to ensure that they do not lose massive sales. This precludes a lot of otherwise attractive venues from being feasible.
To make up the difference, you need a massive venue with high ticket prices
Even assuming that a fight at the MGM Grand would only generate $23.6 million, in order to make more money than in Vegas, you would need to sell out a 100,000 person stadium at an average price of $236 a ticket. A 65,000 seat stadium would need to sell at an average price of $363 a ticket. A 40,000 seat venue (i.e., a baseball stadium with a retractable roof) would need to sell at an average price of nearly $600 a ticket. And to achieve as much upside as Vegas' potential, you'd need to increase those average ticket prices by 50%. Outside of Vegas, where are you going to find enough people with that kind of money? In addition, when looking at these averages, you need to keep in mind that you can't charge nearly as much for a majority of the seats in the venue, simply because tens of thousands of people aren't going to pay $300 for nosebleed seats.
While holding the fight in a huge venue outside of Vegas is an intriguing idea, it's just not that feasible. Without some deep pocket guaranteeing a lot of cash on the side, it's unlikely that a fight outside of Vegas could generate more revenue than a fight in Vegas. And in this economy, I don't know if anyone's ego is that big.
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Pac/Money needs to be in Vegas because Vegas is the fight capital of the world.
I know NYCers like to think the entirety of the world revolves around them, as do Texans, but when it comes to big-time fights, nobody does them like Vegas.
Vegas is where it all comes together.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know NYCers like to think the entirety of the world revolves around them, as do Texans
I’m glad SOMEBODY recognizes that the world revolves around the Lone Star State….HAHAHAHA.
But seriously, Cowboys Stadium is a less than 4 hour drive for me….and you bet your ass I would drive up there.
Larry Merchant IS God...
by El_Mas_Chingon on Nov 20, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“And your referee for this evening: Lawrence Cole!”
by taco pal on Nov 20, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great article brick … some insight into the game i know nothing about. if it means lower ticket prices in vegas then that where i want it to be … cause if/when this fight goes off i will be trying to buy tickets …
by boxzilla on Nov 20, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It means higher ticket prices if it’s in Vegas. The general public won’t be at Pacquiao-Mayweather.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 20, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well not at ringside … the article implied to me that in a stadium of 100,000 to generate the same revenue as in vegas the average seat would cost $236 u can sit closer for approx the same or even less in vegas since the venues smaller hence u’d be close … i wouldnt pay $300 for nosebleeds in dallas, but i would if the venue was the mgm …
by boxzilla on Nov 20, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, yeah. I see what you’re saying.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 20, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea thanks man
It really is a very good and different perspective
by Sweet science on Nov 20, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Las Vegas
There was a rumor that MGM would potentially host the fight (if it goes through of course) at Sam Boyd Stadium, the site of UNLV football, and site of the Las Vegas Bowl. It can hold up to 40,000 for football, so obviously you could go even bigger for boxing. And there is always a chance of rain, but given that this is Las Vegas, maybe not quite so much.
If they were selling tickets at an average of $800 a pop, you think they could fill that place to capacity? If so that’s obviously a monstrous live gate.
by Fooch on Nov 20, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if they could sell to capacity at that rate
But they could probably sell the first 10,000 or so at that rate. But cheap seats still need to be cheap seats no matter where you are, and IIRC a lot of Sam Boyd’s seats are just regular old bleachers.
Also, they wouldn’t be willing to pay as large of a site fee if the fight is off site, one would think. I guess I could be wrong, but you probably lose a lot of the crowd if the fight itself is nowhere near the strip.
Outdoors in Vegas Probably isn’t much of an issue because it doesn’t rain there, although it may affect the fight because of the heat.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Joel Julio
There are a couple of outdoor fights in Vegas where I think a fighter looked sluggish because they weren’t used to the heat. Julio-Quintana comes to mind.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What an excellent breakdown… rep…
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by Zocalo on Nov 21, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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