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What is next for Lucian Bute? Five conceivable fights.



Lucian Bute robbed me of my joy last night. I had been looking forward all week to the late rounds to see if Bute had it in him to avoid a repeat of the first fight. With the added pressure Andrade was putting on in the first round rounds when compared to the first fight, I was even more excited at the prospect. I didn't have a preference on who won, but I wanted to see and expected to see the championship rounds and compare them to the drama of the first. When Bute knocked Andrade out, he knocked me out with pure shock. I had never considered that outcome possible and when it happened the knockout took a couple minutes to completely register. Wow. A star had to have been born on the international stage. Where does he go from here?

Star-divide

The answer to this question, as we know, is not as promising at perhaps it should be. Bute was not invited to take part in the Super Six. I'm not here to debate the quality of that decision, but that means Bute cannot get fights with Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Taylor, Ward, or Dirrell. for quite a while  Otherwise we could pick any one of them and have a big event on our hands. In almost any other division (with perhaps the exception of 140), removing six elite level fighters would about cripple any future money making/big fight opportunities. Luckily for Bute, however, 168 is deep enough to carry him to the end of the Super Six. Let us explore the options.

 

Option #1 - Unifying with the WBO belt

January 9th, newly crownded WBO titlist Robert Stieglitz defends against Edison Miranda. Stieglitz won the the title in a better than expected, upset performance in a late summer bout with Balzsay and seems to have improved, but there is little proof to his resume that he is world class other than a since avenged late stoppage of Alejandro Berrio. Stieglitz was stopped by Andade a few years ago as well. Miranda's losses, on the other hand, continue to look better than they did at the time each time he loses and he certainly presents a different, and perhaps more difficult challenge to Stieglitz than any of his previous opponents has.

Quite frankly anything Bute does will make money in Montreal. A unification fight with Stieglitz makes a lot of sense because of that. I can't see Bute doing anything but routing the champ, and he'll make tons of money picking up another belt. Miranda has the fanbase to get the unification fight noticed on a bigger stage too should he win. This fight makes a lot of sense in terms of now for Bute, but even in the future a man with two belts will be undeniably appealing for the winner of the Super Six.

 

Option #2 - Allan Green

Green has done little to deserve this fight, but through a steady diet of beatable opponents, the legacy of the Codrington execution, and believable enough excuses for his Miranda performance, Green keeps hanging around looking for that big fight. HBO would probably televise and he'd be a good name for Bute to add to his resume. Plus, Green does present just enough of physical challenge to make the fight worth watch. Green is a gifted fighter physically who doesn't seem to know he is. I'd pick Bute to stop him, but I'd also tune in to watch.

 

Option #3 - Sakio Bika Rematch

I think we can all agree that Bika and Bute are both different fighters than when they met in the summer of 07. Both have continued to look better and better. They are also bigger names now. There was also enough drama in this fight to justify a rematch, especially in a division deprived of its six biggest stars.

 

Option #4 - The Pascal/Diaconu rematch winner

I have never really seen this discussed. One division up is about to host a Montreal super fight rematch. One of the fighters, Diaconu, is pretty limited and a style in which I picked Bute to win a relatively easy decision over. Pascal may provide a tougher fight. There are many problems here. For one, if Pascal were not to retain, we may see a trilogy. Bute may not want to move up in weight either, even for the allure of being a two division champ. Pascal, however, has campaigned most of his career ar 168 and I would be surprised if he was unable to move back down. Pascal also seems to want to stay at 175 and fight Dawson though too.

This may be the toughest fight to make, but... just imagine the intensity of that arena, not to mention the quality of the potential fight.

 

Option #5 - The soft voluntary defense

There are always a million different directions to go in with the soft voluntary, but I see two options as more viable than others. Peter Manfredo Jr brings a name to help sell tickets (not that that is needed), plus just enough of a fanbase to create some drama. More likely, however, is fellow Quebec super middleweight Sebastian Demers. Demers has a fanbase right in Montreal and stands little to no shot at winning. He's really the perfect soft voluntary defense for Bute. Curtis Stevens could also be a dark horse here.

 

It must be disappointing to see the true other stars of the division tied up for Bute. However, there are fights to be made in waiting. I think I've outlined the most probable and realistic of them. Feel free to add your own.

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Great post

Bute made his claim to the top super middleweight last night, that’s for sure. The Steiglitz/Miranada winner should be Bute’s next fight, IMO. Showtime currently controls four top fighters and two belts in their tournament and HBO made a statement by embracing Bute and I wouldn’t be surprised if business-wise they try and push Bute as hard as they can to make the argument they have the best 168lbs fighter in the world. Green is underwehlming despite his talents . . . his lost ot Miranda and his shaky performance against Simms doesn’t inspire much especially should he fight Bute. I would like to see Green fight Andrade first.

But I want to see Bute-Steiglitz to unify that half of the four titles . . . and would set up perhaps a monumental fight between himself and the winner of the Super Six.

by mason_beer on Nov 29, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Green/Andrade

good shout. It’s both likely and worthwhile.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 29, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I mean it's both 'doable' and worthwhile...

I don’t know how likely it is.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Nov 29, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

But I want to see Bute-Steiglitz to unify that half of the four titles . . . and would set up perhaps a monumental fight between himself and the winner of the Super Six.

That would be amazing. One can only hope! I was thinking that a move up to Light Heavy wouldn’t be too crazy a thing to do. He could fight Chad Dawson which would be fun and very profitable (of course Bute fighting anyone will be profitable so long as it’s in french Canada!)

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 29, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Diaconu and Bute have both said publicly that they'll never fight each other

Pascal-Bute seems viable, if they can get the two big Montreal promoters to cooperate for it. But more likely, the Pascal-Diaconu winner will face Chad Dawson next, since he’s the mandatory.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 29, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Bute-Pascal

Hi, first of all sorry for my english im french quebecer.

Brickhaus is right when he says Diaconnu Vs Bute is impossible. They said it many times, they are in the same group (Interbox) and huge friends. It wont happen

But Bute VS Pascal will happen for sure soon enough. Both Interbox and GYM (groupe yvon michel) , promoter of Pascal said it on french radio a while ago. They are aiming for 2010-2011 in the suppermiddleweight division.

by Jojojolaffreux on Nov 29, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Bute/Steiglitz makes little sense. HBO couldn’t care less about trinket belts. At least they shouldn’t. Why would HBO (or anyone else) want to see Bute fight a guy Andrade (who he has now dominated for 15/16 rounds) dominated very recently? Robert Steiglitz claiming hold of one of the belts at 168 means nothing. Pascal, Green, Bika or even someone like Winky Wright are far more interesting fights in my opinion.

by BabyBull1289 on Nov 29, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

Bute/Steiglitz makes little sense. HBO couldn’t care less about trinket belts.

Yeah, that’s their line when it suits the fight. When it doesn’t, it’s not.

Why would HBO (or anyone else) want to see Bute fight a guy Andrade (who he has now dominated for 15/16 rounds) dominated very recently?

Because it wasn’t that recent, most people don’t really remember it, and frankly, it doesn’t really matter that much. Andrade did a number on Stieglitz, but now Stieglitz holds a title. And should he beat Edison Miranda, Bute-Stieglitz probably becomes a fairly decent fight. And hell, maybe HBO doesn’t pick it up. HBO didn’t carry Wlad-Chagaev or Vitali-Gomez this year and they still work with those fighters. This is actually something I wonder about. If they can’t get Bute-Pavlik done, or maybe Bute-Green or something like that, will they even televise his next fight? Unlike most guys, he can make money without HBO.

Robert Steiglitz claiming hold of one of the belts at 168 means nothing.

It means Stieglitz is suddenly mentioned as a potential opponent for much bigger names, because he holds that belt. The belt itself means nothing; for Stieglitz, it means plenty.

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by SC on Nov 30, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m looking at this from HBO’s perspective only.

I agree with most everything you are saying. Bute-Stieglitz would make money in Canada. The title is plenty a big deal for Stieglitz and good for him to pull an upset and get a trinket.

But, as Thomas Hauser and countless others have argued forever, HBO needs to forget completely about belts. Completely. The alphabet soup is a major reason many people have been turned off from boxing over the last 15 years. RS having a belt makes him about 3 times more likely to get a BAD fight with Bute. IT SHOULD NOT MATTER AT ALL.

RS is barely a top 15 Super Middleweight. If he fought Bute, my pick would be Bute TKO 5 and I would put my life on Bute ITD. I’d lay heavy, heavy odds that Bika, Green and Pascal would stop Stieglitz in the middle rounds.

Surely if I remember Andrade Stieglitz, HBO should remember it. I watched it on their air. I feel like HBO has the money and the power to make the best fights. And all too often they crumble and make mediocre cards. I just don’t want to see it happen again.

by BabyBull1289 on Nov 30, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But, as Thomas Hauser and countless others have argued forever, HBO needs to forget completely about belts. Completely.

Oh I agree, and sometimes HBO does too. Sometimes they don’t. It depends on what they’re selling that night.

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by SC on Nov 30, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

There probably isn't enough money in Bute-Stieglitz for that one to happen

But if Miranda beats Stieglitz (and I favor him to do so), then Bute-Miranda is a big enough fight that it could get picked up as a Showtime Championship Boxing (it would make sense) or an expensive BAD, or possibly even a lower budget WCB if they can get a solid second fight on there.

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by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously. I didn’t get around to watching the fight until last night, but:

When Bute knocked Andrade out, he knocked me out with pure shock.

I could hardly believe what my eyes were seeing. I kept thinking, “that must have been a low blow, right?” That was a real “wow” moment.

by taco pal on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I felt the same when I watched it.

I never thought I’d see Andrade stopped. Never. Well, maybe if he’d fought a Klitschko….. but after the beating Kessler gave him, I just never thought any SMW would stop him.

Mad times. Kessler getting beat, Cotto getting manhandled and destroyed by Pacquaio, Andrade getting stopped….. next we’ll find out David Haye is actually a woman, or Ali Funeka is really from Alpha Centauri, or something….

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 3, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I'm kind of convinced Funeka is an alien...... ;)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Um… Hopkins?

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 2, 2009 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

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