Yuri Foreman-Manny Pacquiao possible for March
by SC on Nov 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST
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"Mayweather doesn't want to fight in March, so we might fight for the 154 pound title in March and move up for that eighth world title. I'm thinking about that still and it's something that I'm kicking around in my head right now. Yuri Foreman might be the opponent. It is a possibility, and then Mayweather in September. If they guarantee me that, we'll do that, but I need more of a commitment from Mayweather because he's not negotiating too well."
-- Freddie Roach, via BoxingScene.com
Bernard Hopkins actually predicted this yesterday, which means there's likely something to it. The way Hopkins sees it, Pacquiao will fight Foreman, Mayweather will fight Shane Mosley (should Mosley beat Andre Berto), and then apparently Manny and Floyd square off in September.
Foreman (28-0, 8 KO) won the WBA junior middleweight title by dominating Daniel Santos on the Cotto-Pacquiao undercard. He's had a lot of press since then (and had a lot in the week leading up to the fight), making him a minor star overall and a big one in the Jewish community. No doubt the Jewish community would be truly excited to see Foreman take on the world's best fighter.
Pacquiao likely beats Foreman, even giving up a lot of size. He's too fast, Foreman doesn't hit hard, and Manny's just a much, much better fighter. And Pacquiao-Foreman is really a bit of a sham. It's an admitted stab at faux "history" being made. They know Foreman is the exact right matchup.
After all, the fight would be contested for a 154-pound title. How low do you think they'll try to get a catchweight? Foreman has dipped as low as 149 pounds in his career, but by the time this fight rolled around, that will have been almost eight years in the past. In the last three years he hasn't gone below 153 1/2 pounds on the scales.
If they allow it at the full 154-pound weight, they're essentially saying clearly, "This guy can't beat us, and we know it." Cotto had to get down to 145. Manny has never weighed in over 144 for any fight, and by all accounts he walks around at about 150-155 pounds.
And this is where my admiration for Pacquiao collides with my distaste for all this "x amount of world titles in y amount of divisions!" garbage. It gets to the point where it really, really doesn't matter anymore. It's impressive in a black-and-white sense, but it's an era with four recognized world titles in 17 weight classes. Someone is always going to be easy to pick off. One of Pacquiao's seven titles was at lightweight, where he beat David Diaz in his lone fight in the division. Most of his titles are legitimate, but that one sticks out. So would this one.
This is sort of an "it is what it is" situation. I can't really blame the parties involved, but consider me less than enthused about the prospect of this fight. It's a blatant and admitted money/"history" stab by Pacquiao's camp if it happens.
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Negotiations are going well
Both camps named possible opponents to test the waters for public interest. It mostly seems like a move for leverage because the step down in class of the opposition mentioned is a little ridiculous. I already like the spin of ‘Floyd doesn’t want to fight in March’ from Freddie, as opposed to the ‘Manny is going to be distracted like a mofo so we need a scrub he can KTFO.’ Speaking for 2 Jews who will be officially not excited to see Manny ducking Floyd, if we are going to ride Floyd’s nuts for ducking then Manny is fair game too, this fight would suck to epic levels. At least there was maybe some theoretical shot that Marquez would beat Floyd, this fight is just ridiculous.
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If he wants to fight at
152, fight Kirkland.
Pac v. Mangingo would be a war
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
(yes I know he’s in prison)
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys used to fight in prison all the time
Back in the 70’s, there was probably about an average of a title fight a year in Rahway Prison alone.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rahway was a boxer’’s favorite prison
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Nov 30, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pac needs a tune-up fight
roach knows that pac needs to train and fight against a real orthodox fighter whose main weapon is not the left hook before taking on fraud run-a-mayweather. pac’s last 4 are all against southpaws and only diaz uses the southpaw stance. dollar hoya, fatton, and kuto are all lefties throwing left hooks as their main weapons. pac needs to remember how to fight the likes of morales, marquez to get ready for run-a-mayweather.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
laugh – “dollar hoya, fatton, and kuto” – what’s the one with Cotto? because so many people say it – Codo?
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by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kuto
Sure not Thomas Johnson Kuto the Kenyan politician and Clergyman?!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's a fraud..
.. then why would Pac need a “tune-up” or have to “get ready” for him?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he's not a fraud
why accept a fight against marquez then in an interview say that both marquez and pac are too small for him then on the day of the fight not honor the weight agreement? ..as in the previous point, pac needs a tune-up because he has been fighting lefties since june 2008.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sparring partners are enough or that
No one who fights as much as Manny needs a tuneup.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
give fraud a little credit
he’s so good, that’s a given. so pac would need time to find the right guy and go to war with in sparring. and he gets to do that twice while going for an 8th title in 8 divisions.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So hire Foreman as a sparring partner then! I think it’s hard to defend this fight when it’s compared to the other potential matchups involving Pacquiao.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kuto is a filipino word for "lies" - kind of insect/bug
most people in the philippines used to have these in their hair when they don’t shower for a long time.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This would be a massive mistake for Manny
No one is going to want to see PBF-Manny after Yuri guillotines him.
Step 1: Beat Santos
Step 2: Beat Manny
Step 3: Beat PBF
Step 4: YURI FOREMAN NUMBER 1 P4P
by tichbou on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
‘to thine own self be true’ – I guess.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I try to stay objective
I think I deserve one fighter to be irrationally homeristic over.
by tichbou on Nov 30, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, a Jewish champion finally emerges
and they want to make his first defense against one of the greatest P4P of all time. Classic.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean one from Israel. He is actually the 30th Jewish Champ but the first from Isreale
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Nov 30, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hes from belarus … hes prob a zionist or summat thats why they keep saying hes from Israel
by boxzilla on Nov 30, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He emigrated from Minsk, to Haifa, to New York
He’s an Israeli citizen, and he still has strong ties to Israel. 30 years ago, 80% of the Jews in Israel weren’t born there. I don’t see it as BS really.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is like Lennox Lewis; he can be whatever suits the moment—Canadian, Jamacian, Brit. Ya Mon!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 1, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
When the Lion of Zion has every advantage already, why would you fight him up a weightclass??
The Kosher Krusher KO3.
/satire
by KyleAskine on Nov 30, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
If Yuri somehow catches Manny with a miracle shot and KO’s him, does tichibou spontaneously combust?
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Torah Tornado KO1 baby!
Sure, Foreman will get smashed, but think about how much fun the live thread will be!
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by Matt Miller on Nov 30, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Williams?!??
Doesn’t Paul Williams fight at 154lbs.?
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He certainly can
…but of course, this isn’t about being the REAL champ at 154 — it would be a publicity stunt. I love Manny as much as anyone, but I think he’d get crushed by Paul at that weight.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about a size mismatch…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Dec 1, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a massive dissapointment...
…this would be if it happens instead of Manny-PBF. As pointed out earlier, this would be a pointless money grab, and I for one certainly would not pay $65 to watch Manny obliterate Yuri in under 5 rounds.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better get a tune up match against a champ several divisions above your natural weight class
than get a tune up against the one several divisions lighter.. *coughfloydcough *
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 30, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
haha
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Nov 30, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bien Dicho…
Well said…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is complete and utter garbage
we don’t need tune up fights. the interest for a pac-money may fight is already at its all time highest now, just get the fucking fight done and prove who the real p4p is. even as a major paquiao fanboy, i would be embarrassed to be pacquiao fan if this fight happens
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say embarassed to be a fan
but I would be hugely disappointed. I know he wants to run for Congress, but he really should put that to the side for now and make the fight with Floyd happen. I think a lot of momentum for the fight gets lost if it doesn’t go down in May of next year, and who knows what will happen in the interim (upsets, injuries, retirements). This is his chance to 1) become arguably the greatest P4P boxer of all time, and, perhaps more importantly 2) make an insane amount of money for one fight. I just hope he takes it.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if the report is true, then yuri on March and Floyd on Sept..
I don’t see what’s the problem with that.. Floyd gets to beat on a champ multiple divisions lower, why can’t manny beat on a champ multiple weight classes above too?
If they really can’t get Floyd for March, i don’t see why this is such a bad thing.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 30, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its bad because the demand for PBF-Pac fight is happening NOW. pacquiao just demolished a legit welterweight which over a million people saw. if pacman fought foreman i can guarantee you that top rank ppv won’t do so hot. its shit on the pacman side. the mayweather plan sounds fantastic to me since i had wanted a mosley-pbf fight in the first place, but on the pacman side its rather turdly of pacman to fight yori f’ing foreman (sorry tichbou)
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 30, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like Floyd beating on Marquez
and I won’t like Manny beating on Yuri.
If it shakes out that he fights Yuri, and then PBF in September, then so be it. But something tells me that if this fight doesn’t get made now, while the public is absolutely clamoring for it, it may never get made…
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know some like yourself had a problem with that fight but I believe that was a legit tune-up for a guy being off for almost 2 years and wanting to get the mega fight with another small man.. Pacman. It makes sense to tune-up with the guy who many say beat “the guy” twice. Don’t you think?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
while I didn’t like the fight, I wasn’t as up in arms about it as some, largely due to PBF’s inactivity. It wasn’t an outrageous fight, although I felt it was a very safe one for him. Manny doesn’t have the same excuse.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was a sham of the fight and nothing else
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what he does dude.
Corrales was knocking dudes out until he fought Floyd and got put down about 6 or 7 times.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not talking about mayweather’s style. i’m stalking about the fact that mayweather had to pick a guy who had never fought above 135, and was already “fat” (by boxing standards) at 135 as it was
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 30, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
change stalking to talking*
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 30, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was fooled by HBO/Sky (and myself) into being excited about PBFvJMM. There should be a cognitive reasoning test I have to pass before I’m allowed to watch 24/7. Either that, or blow into a tube connected to my Sky box to make sure I’m sober.
by FCF on Nov 30, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why??
There’s finally a resurgence in boxing and the people are clamoring for this fight. Why blow it off? And why March? Roach said (after the fight) that he would need a little extra time to get his boy ready for Mayweather’s style. Now they are saying March. If this talk is serious, it could really backfire for Pac and the sport.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And if May fights anyone other than Pac or Mosley, as a fan I won’t buy it or any other fight.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd add Berto, Paul Williams, and Sergio Martinez
to that list.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're supposedly tune up fights
Then a fight against a southpaw would make more sense.
If you view it as a tuneup because Floyd isn’t available in March, Pac-Foreman actually makes an incredible amount of sense. That gives him a tall, outside boxer who’s a natural righthander and who isn’t afraid to run away from someone’s power. Plus you have the added side effect of adding to his belt collection.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
except about 1/100 as skilled as PBF
I don’t see how that meaningfully prepares him for Floyd at all.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tune-up in training is more important
than in the actual fight. pac gets to do that twice before fighting fraud run-a-mayweather.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pac has been fighting southpaws
to re-iterate the point, since june 2008.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
It shouldn’t matter if your opponent is a fraud. Right?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again and again.
why accept a fight against marquez then in an interview say that both marquez and pac are too small for him then on the day of the fight not honor the weight agreement? ..as in the previous point, pac needs a tune-up because he has been fighting lefties since june 2008.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again, if he's not fraud
why accept a fight against marquez then in an interview say that both marquez and pac are too small for him then on the day of the fight not honor the weight agreement? ..as in the previous point, pac needs a tune-up because he has been fighting lefties since june 2008.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your talking about words
Do you know what a fraud is?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypcrite? No doubt
Fraud? No way.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fraud is: a couple of definitions for you and your idol:
1. fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual.
2. as in tax fraud, not filing revenues or illegally avoiding taxes.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what's the deception?
He’s calling your lover out now but he says he wants to run for mayor. Who’s the fraud?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Nov 30, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t rise to it Craig. Just leave him. Haters and fanboys aren’t worth dealing with.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so many deceptions
i’ll give you one which i probably should have included beforehand so i did not have to explain to some turtles. did he not say that marquez was a worthy and challenging opponent (or something to that effect as i could not remember his exact words in a press conference) but right after that some guy interviewed and he probably thought it won’t backfire say that bith marquez and pac are too small for him?…pac would run for government office to defeat and replace all the fraud foolishticians in the philippines and he will do that while fighting your fraud at the same time.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree.
but ONLY IF they really can’t get Floyd in march…
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 30, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha that will sell
A Foreman-Pac fight is a terrible ppv event
by lightaxe on Nov 30, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and that could cost him in negotiations with PBF
particularly if Floyd takes a legit fight in the interim and puts up another 1 million + PPV night.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
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by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, Yahweh, no.
Foreman’s record is sad, but take a look into it, and…it’s worse. Records (at the time of fight) of Foreman’s few KO victims, in reverse order:
1-1
9-7-1
11-7-3
4-2
11-6-2
14-15-1
15-8
11-9-4
Oh, and that last one? That was early 2006. Weight or no weight, Pacquiao would have Foreman hitting the Talmud and starting his new career immediately after hitting the canvas. This fight has no reason to happen, especially with the self-set clock on Pacquiao’s time in the ring running down.
by El Destruyo on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
theres only one fith the public wants to see and its pbf pac … not pbf matt hatton (cause theres no way hes gonna fight ssm b4 pac) or pac yuri …
i just hope this is all about the negotiations process and posturing and neither camp are really serious about these fights that no one really cares about.
by boxzilla on Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I need more of a commitment from Mayweather because he’s not negotiating too well.
Does this sounds like utter BS to anyone else? Remember how you are not negotiating with Mayweather you are negotiating with Schaffer. What the hell does not negotiating too well mean? He’s not bending over being your b*tch and agreeing to a catchweight…shocking. This talk is stupid and distracting. Seriously all boxing fans will force you to be in a room and negotiate this deal. Failure is not an option, another fight is not an option. Mayweather is it. Don’t call Mayweather a ducker, and then pull a mayweather…
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t call Mayweather a ducker, and then pull a mayweather…
well put.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is a bs from cocky roach
because his real intention is to get pac a fight with a real orthodox fighter and find time to spar with some other guy who coould be close enough to run-a-mayweather. remember, pac has been fighting southpaws since june 2008.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Relax people!
Just a bit of “pre-fight pageantry” before the Manny-Money fight gets made.
by manosdepiedra on Nov 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A great pay day for Yuri so he can complete his studies to be a Rabbi!! But a beat down as well.
by The Midnight Rambler on Nov 30, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
more importantly
a great payday for arum. why do you think yuri was on the undercard? this is arum’s back-up plan in case he cannot make a rematch between pac and kuto. remember again, he really does not want to deal with run-a-mayweather. so, he need to extract as much money from pac as he can. getting pac to fight yuri before fraud makes absolute sense for uncle bob. and fraud fighting shame mosley before pac makes absolute sense for dollar hoya’s golden boy promotions.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Shame” Mosley? “Kuto”? Dude, what is with the name calling? Shane and Cotto are two of the most respected fighters in the game. Just sort of juvenile, that’ all.
by Areglado on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
don't be offended
i like kuto or to grant your wish, cotto. he is such a realy great loser. should be a model for all fighters. i could not say the same about shame mosley. he had some good moments, too. but those were overshadowed by the steriod use and most recently, his actions on run-a-mayweather’s post fight interview and his desperate attempt to get a fight with pac. anyway, i apologize if i offended you but i know some people are getiing entertained by it and that’s the main intent.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not steroids but an endurance enhancing PED. Just like people to know this.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not offended and I’m well aware of the humor you’re trying to evoke. But referring to two of the classiest operators in the game as such makes you sound like someone who only follows Pacquiao, and not boxing. This site is open to all, it really is, and I love coming here and reading other people’s thoughts on the sport I love. For the most part, folks here are respectful and considerate. But guys here are serious boxing fans, many of whom, really dig Pacquiao, but would follow the sport with a good deal of devotion regardless of whether or not Pacman was fighting.
I guess what irks me a little is this: Being a Pacquiao fan, a looong time boxing fan, and a Filipino, I don’t like the way (some) Filipino fight fans like to rub everyone’s face in the fact that we’ve got the best pound for pound fighter in boxing but, themselves, don’t really follow boxing (or didn’t, pre-Pacquiao), don’t appreciate its rich history, don’t observe its intricacies, etc. (I’m not accusing you of being this type of fan, Ken, and really whether you are or not, isn’t my point). It gets pretty tiresome, the way some people assume that just because one is Filipino, one is automatically a Pacquiao devotee and automatically disqualified from offering an objective opinion. However, can I really blame non-Filipino fight fans for thinking this? How can I, when, take for instance, in the “Best Featherweight of the Decade” thread, an overwhelming number of people voted Pacquiao, and I mean a ridiculous amount, leading some other posters here to state that the poll was “Pinoyed.” That is a reputation I can live without.
Look, the whole Shane took steroids issue is really, really old. It’s been dealt with. Has he been desperate to get fights? Has he resorted to behavior that we all felt might be beneath him? Yes, and yes. But the fact is, he’s a 38 year old hall of famer who DOES deserve the biggest fights and was willing (stupidly) to face Pacquiao at a catchweight of 142, a weight at which Pacquiao would surely have torn him to shreds. What is shameful is that a champion as great as Mosley has to resort to begging for fights. That’s the state of the game. Shane shouldn’t be the object of ridicule so much as sympathy.
As for Cotto, sure you think he was a “really great loser,” but part of me wonders whether or not you ever thought him a legit champ, a brilliant fighter in his own right, and just overall, a credit to the sport of boxing when you call him “kuto.” Surely, if what you mean by “really great loser,” is that he went out with as much dignity as possible for a man who’d just received a potentially career-ending beating, he must have won even a little respect from you, respect enough for you to, perhaps, call him by his name for pete’s sake.
Now, I must offer MY apology to you, Ken, because I know I ended up picking on your post, and, well, that’s not really what I wanted to do. Just frustration. Really, I’m sorry that I went off on you.
If there are any other Filipino fans reading this, I encourage you to be more than Pacfans, because unless you are, all the great energy and enthusiasm that Manny has brought to the game, to the country, all the interest he’s begun in our communities to develop more young talent will eventually dissipate. Furthermore, just as Pacquiao is an ambassador for the sport and for the country, perhaps it behooves his fans, especially his countryman-fans to comport ourselves with the same class and grace that our champion thus far has.
ps. Again, Ken, I’m sorry.
by Areglado on Nov 30, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
np
your views are noted. just fyi, i was an avid hearns and duran fan. since their time, nobody has come close…until now.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It’s amazing that we can even mention Pacquiao in the same sentence as those guys. It’s been said before, but it’s a great time to be a fan.
by Areglado on Nov 30, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Great post.
Your post is exactly the kind of thing I love to see around here. It’s a model of insight, tact, and (I hope) persuasion.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Nov 30, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kosher Krusher would actually be a decent warm-up opponent for Pacquiao, for the same reasons that Paulie Malignaggi would have made a good sparring partner. He has plenty of boxing ability, and there is practically no risk of getting hurt and/or starched on the way to Mayweather.
That said, targeting Yuri’s title at 154 isn’t much different than targeting Baldomir’ at 147. Let’s call a spade a spade: it’s a lovely statistic, but it doesn’t really mean anything.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's about as meaningful as Hearns' super middleweight title
or Jones’ heavyweight title, and people love to cite those as signs of their respective greatness all the time.
But there’s a reason that when I try ranking guys, I look at who they’ve beaten and not what trinkets they have. Yuri’s a legitimate top 6 or so junior middleweight though. So it does mean SOMETHING. I mean, Foreman is more legitimate at 154 than David Diaz was at 135.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t contest that Foreman is a legit Junior Middleweight, and this is hardly a terrible fight, but it’s still a great disappointment if Pacquiao fights him instead of insert list of welters/ junior welters/ lkgihtweights you would rather see pacquiao fight here
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yuri is perfectly legitimate for a trinket at 154. The bigger issue is (as Roach well knows and others have commented in this thread) his style is perfectly suited as a fall guy for Pac’s.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Nov 30, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is all just a bunch of bs i have nothing against yuri but man i really dont wanna see pac fight him, its really truely just a number that 8 for 8 thing, wont mean much else, why not fight another legit welterweight clottey a top rank stable mate bob could put that together right, and for mayweather fighting shane i just dont see that happening he wants no part of him, he would definitely be risking that huge pay day against pac if he really goes that route which judging by his past record he wont
by Eploos on Nov 30, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with Pacquiao v. Foreman
As long as:
1. The fight isn’t a pay-per-view fight; and
2. Pacquiao spots Foreman six rounds; and
3. If Foreman loses, he has to wear a “Jesus is my Homeboy” t-shirt at the ring entrance of his next fight and if Pacquiao loses he has to wear a yarmulke at the ring entrance to Pacquiao-Mayweather.
I’m willing to accept any 2 of those 3 stipulations.
by AsianSensation on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
“Jesus is my Homeboy” t-shirt. Is that a Dogma reference?
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
That was the first place I’d ever heard that phrase. After the movie came out these tees became kind of popular in NYC:
by AsianSensation on Nov 30, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. The fight isn’t a pay-per-view fight; and
It would be.
3. If Foreman loses, he has to wear a "Jesus is my Homeboy" t-shirt at the ring entrance of his next fight and if Pacquiao loses he has to wear a yarmulke at the ring entrance to Pacquiao-Mayweather.
If Pacquiao loses to Yuri Foreman, there won’t be a Pacquiao-Mayweather. There might be a Yuri Foreman-Mayweather…
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Nov 30, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why you gotta bring all this rationale and logic into the equation?
I’m just trying to figure if I should get my little bro a pink “jesus is my homeboy” t-shirt.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You probably should.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Nov 30, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My brother is receiving an Edward Cullen shirt for Hannukah. Only 16 bucks including S/H.
by tichbou on Nov 30, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I might ask for a Lion of Zion T-shirt from my mom
She would think I’m finally getting in touch with my Jewie side.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 1, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Pacquiao loses to Yuri I will post a video of myself running down the street, wearing nothing but underwear and a pink Jesus is my homeboy T-shirt while singing the Pinoy national anthemn in Yiddish.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there’s a bonus.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Nov 30, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Nov 30, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure the only positive of this fight happening, is the possibility of that happening….
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Pacquiao loses to Yuri Foreman, there won’t be a Pacquiao-Mayweather. There might be a Yuri Foreman-Mayweather…
True. If Pacquiao loses, he has to sing Yiddish folk songs at Foreman’s Rabbi School graduation ceremony.
Actually, that’s not really incentive for Pacquiao since he genuinely enjoys singing. Okay, if Pacquiao loses he doesn’t get to sing Yiddish folk songs at Foreman’s Rabbi School graduation ceremony.
by AsianSensation on Dec 1, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather wants an unreasonable split against a fighter that more people like watching. I mean negotiations hadn’t even started and he was already talking about not wanting to go ahead with it and citing several completely unrelated reasons and excuses. The really telling bit was after telling everybody Mosley only wanted to fight him for the money and is not a valid opponent, as soon as Pac came into the equation his entire tone changed regarding Mosley.
Mayweather doesn’t want that fight and Pac wants all the money he can get for his pending presidential campaign. They sure as hell won’t take a demeaning split that would just be humiliating as Pacquiao is every bit as good as Mayweather and is being headhunted by just as many fighters so hes far from desperate, looking for a scrap here and there.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let’s not be too willing to place all the blame on the Mayweather camp already. At this point in the negotiations the Pac camp is probably wanting some ridiculous split (60-40) with a catchweight (144) with severe penalties (think millions) for being overweight. Money May will counter with something equally ridiculous. Both sides will then try to see possible other matches and see how much earning potential each fighter could get. After everyone in the boxing world gets thoroughly pissed of at their shenanigans, negotiations will start up again with each side giving some concessions.
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing thats been discussed so far is the split.
When the subject came up it basically went like:
Roach: We want to fight Mayweather next with a 50/50 split.
Mayweather: I want 60/40-65/35. And just for the record when I knock out Pacquaio nobody will give me credit for doing it so whats the point in taking the fight? Plus its not like I don’t have other opponents available. I could fight the great Sugar Shane Mosley if he gets past Berto(ie the guy who he wrote off a few weeks before).
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Citation Needed? Roach said he would ask for Pac to get a significant advantage and a catchweight in the post-fight news conference. Right now I wouldn’t trust anything these people say to be even close to remotely accurate. Typical boxing BS. Mayweather will tell the media that he deserves 60-40 but in no way will he actually demand that. Mayweather may play an arrogant prick but the man does know the business. Roach is trying to make Mayweather look unwilling, even though Floyd started these negotiations, not Pacquiao or Roach.
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From Roach:
Their pay-per-view numbers are not too far apart, and a 50-50 deal should be a good one for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Then the winner of the fight, the three-time Trainer of the Year added, can get a bigger share in the pay-per-view, gate receipts and merchandise sales. Maybe a 60-40 or 55-45 deal in this side of the agreement can work for both fighters.
"I honestly don’t think he wants to fight Pacquiao. I think both fighters know that if they do the fight at 50-50, it’s going to happen. My guy is definitely on board," Roach said in an article that came out of boxingscene.com yesterday.
"We definitely want the fight. Mayweather I’m not so sure. I’d like to get 60-40 our way of course. I know that we’re the bigger draw. We’ll try to get as much as we can but at the end of the day I think 50-50 will be the only way acceptable," said Roach.
Source: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=525702&publicationSubCategoryId=69
Unless Freddie Roach is lying through his teeth they are making it very clear that they think 50-50 is the only acceptable solution with perhaps a larger cut of PPV going to the winner.
Our friend Mayweather made himself look like an ass on ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4663085&name=rafael_dan
He refused to answer the questions about whether or not he would take the fight and took the opportunity to bash Mayweather and proclaim “There is boxing and then there is me, everybody else falls in line behind me”.
Theres also another interview that I am struggling to find. He basically talked about how if he beat Pac he wouldn’t get any credit because people would say he is the bigger man and is supposed to KO/beat him. He made it very clear in that interview he wasn’t interested in a Pac fight. It was almost as if he’d decided he wasn’t going to fight him at all.
A few months ago when Mosley called him out he shot down that fight saying Mosley was old and he was only interested in him for the money so he didn’t want to entertain Mosley. A few days ago he said he’d fight Mosley if he got past Berto.
I know your a die hard Mayweather fan and will refute everything I say till I put a source to it to defend your man but I’m working on it and I will update when I can.
At the moment the entire negotiations are being held up by Mayweather. When the fight negotiations started a 50/50 split was prominently mentioned by Roach. He’s made it clear numerous times that while he would prefer a bigger split he would take that fight right away with a 50/50 split and he has said Pacquiao is ok with a 50/50 too.
If that 50/50 split was agreed tomorrow by the Mayweather camp that fight would be taking place without any uncertainity in a few months from now.
Pac wants this fight, he will fight for 50/50 and everybody is on board with that 50/50 split whether it be Arum, Roach or Pac himself. That fight could be made tomorrow if the boxing public was put first but that POS Mayweather is putting himself before the fans.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roach is not the negotiator, just the trash talker for Team Pac
The same way Mayweather is the trash talker for himself. This does not prove what you’ve said. It’s could just as well be a catchweight issue like waldo mentioned and not Mayweather wanting more money. The latest news is that Pac’s run for congress is the current snag:
by Polish Rifle on Nov 30, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK look let me make this clear.
This fight has been in the making for a few months now. Before Pac took on Cotto, Roach implied he would like to see that fight.
After the Cotto fight Roach stepped forward and said he was actively pursuing that fight. Mayweather gave an interview on ESPN where he pretty much put Pac on blast.
Basically during a series of interviews he made it clear he was worthy of more of the cut.
Up until that point there hadn’t been ANY NEGOTIATIONS TO DO WITH ANYTHING AT ALL. NOTHING HAD BEEN DECIDED PERIOD! THE ONLY THING MENTIONED WAS THE CUT AND THAT WAS IN INTERVIEWS AND BACK AND FORTHS ETC.
Nothing else was ever bought up during that period, nada nothing nothing nothing. The only back and forth was the split and insults and trash talk.
The only time anything official has been done is last week when Schaefar and Arum sat down but at this point NOTHING IS IN PLACE.
This fight died the moment Mayweather went into interviews talking about how he deserves more money. Up until that point there was nothing official in place regarding anything else period.
It may have been an issue at a later date but it never came up.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still does not prove that the fight "died" when you are saying yourself nothing has happened
Do you remember how long it took for Pac-Hatton to occur? How many times did it “die”? Who caused those “deaths”? If it was dead, how did they end up fighting each other? Was it like Zombie Lui Kang?
by Polish Rifle on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you complain about someone ducking you before the Cotto fight, then keep constantly complaining all the way to the present; I get suspicious. Basically I don’t believe anything unless its coming out of Arum or Schaefer’s mouth. Anything else is just posturing.
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that a bad thing if Roach is constantly calling out Mayweather do you think its because it secretly turns him on or because he wants that fight?
I’ll personally take every ounce of flack on Roachs behalf if the man can get that fight made.
He’s made it clear he wants that fight, he’s not said a negative think from his own perspective to it, he’s made it clear he’ll settle for 50/50 and he’s said if Mayweather is that confident he’ll win he can take 65% of the revenue from the likes of PPV. Basically the lions share of the money will come from the PPV so he’s giving him potentially twice what he’ll earn for fighting that night.
Mayweather has a career based on ducking good fighters and taking on smaller men and you probably think Roach is some bum that knows nothing about boxing but Roach is very highly rated and knows his boxing exceptionally well.
I know you guys love to blast Roach and put down Pac everytime. You claimed he was only interested in money when Pac fought DLH, you claimed he was losing his marbles when he said Pac would tear Cotto a new asshole so I’m not expecting any respect for Roach from diehard Mayweather fans but the man generally calls it how he sees it and he’s been right so far.
Fact of the matter is if Mayweather comes forward with a 50/50 on the table and Roach doesn’t take it then you can label him a liar all you want but I’m willing to bet you anything if that 50/50 split was put on the table by Mayweather, Roach would stick to his word and accept it in a heartbeat. I find it hard to call him a liar though it’s a lot easier to discredit Roach as a Mayweather fan.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that a bad thing if Roach is constantly calling out Mayweather do you think its because it secretly turns him on or because he wants that fight?
When you say something so many times people just believe it and don’t question it. I’m not saying he doesn’t want the fight, but he is not making this any easier. Anyone who doesn’t think Roach is being a hardass throughout this process is delusional.
Mayweather has a career based on ducking good fighters and taking on smaller men and you probably think Roach is some bum that knows nothing about boxing but Roach is very highly rated and knows his boxing exceptionally well.
Mayweather’s history doesn’t matter, he did start this negotiation. Roach is a great trainer and he should stick to that, not talking.
you probably think Roach is some bum that knows nothing about boxing but Roach is very highly rated and knows his boxing exceptionally well.
See previous statement.
you claimed he was losing his marbles when he said Pac would tear Cotto a new asshole so I’m not expecting any respect for Roach from diehard Mayweather fans but the man generally calls it how he sees it and he’s been right so far.
I called Roach out for that first round KO BS. I like the trainer, he has done exceptional things with Khan and Pac, but he needs to know that if you are going to talk smack, at least try to make it funny.
Fact of the matter is if Mayweather comes forward with a 50/50 on the table and Roach doesn’t take it then you can label him a liar all you want but I’m willing to bet you anything if that 50/50 split was put on the table by Mayweather, Roach would stick to his word and accept it in a heartbeat
I’m not sure about that. If there isn’t a catchweight involved, I don’t think he takes 50/50 plain and simple. When was the last Pacquiao fight without a weight issue? Roach knows that weight is a huge deal and will push really hard to get it in this fight too.
I find it hard to call him a liar though it’s a lot easier to discredit Roach as a Mayweather fan.
This is Chinatown boxing…there are no good guys
by waldo47 on Dec 1, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"pending Presidential campaign"
If he’s a congressperson, that’s one thing, but I’d be downright scared if he was running the country. I mean, the guy doesn’t know how to say “no” to anyone. Not sure I’d trust someone who keeps Michael Koncz as a trusted advisor to really run things.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Nov 30, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also pretty damn eccentric. I certianly wouldn’t vote for him!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 30, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He should concentrate more on his burgeoning film career. I can’t claim I fully understand what that “Wapakman” trailer was all about, but I can’t claim I didn’t like it either.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 30, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goofball.
when he’s making fun of JMM he really shows his eccentricity. He says ‘he has to eat his shit’ and then giggles outrageously and flings his whole body around while holding the rope. he’s a big kid.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Nov 30, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’d have to negotiate with Freddie Roach every time we wanted to build a new naval base.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 30, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hah
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Nov 30, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You won’t be saying that when Sarah Palin wins in 2012, that woman makes Bush look like a scholar:
“Dinosaurs and humans co-existed 6000 years ago”.
Sarah Palin 2012, the Mayans predicted that shit!
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interviewer: Could you please explain why living near to Russia improves your foreign policy credentials.
Palin: Err….uh….I was really close to Russia.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 1, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She supports Yuri Foreman as well
He’s a sign of the rapture
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 1, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
this post didn’t get enough love
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 1, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man,if this fight happens
its gonna be Pac-Hatton all over again,but this time,even shorter imo
by Curtis72094 on Nov 30, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know theres a 14 pound weight difference between Foreman and Hatton.
No doubt Pac would beat the crap out of Foreman but I really can’t see Pac KOing anybody at 154.. or 147 for that matter tbh.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on history Pac has shown the ability to carry heavy hands to any weight class he chooses to fight at, can’t imagine that changing anytime soon.
by waldo47 on Nov 30, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pac ko’d everyone’s hero, cotto, a few weeks ago
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 30, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the big deal. Historically, all of the world class elite have taken the occasional bad fight—often for far more dubious reasons than grabbing a loose strap at a new weight class.
For the record, we don’t even know how for real this is. So I’m not worrying about it one way or the other, but even if it does happen, I’m cutting Pacquiao some slack here. His record taking top opposition has been pretty solid. Let him chew through Krusher and earn a strap at 154.
I see a couple bright sides here: for one, this particular opponent suggests Roach thinks the Mayweather fight will actually happen down the line; in addition, Pac winning in another weight class makes a nice storyline for lazy journalists. The narrative will be good for the sport, even if hardcore fans would rather see him spend his talent otherwise.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Nov 30, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
RJJ vs Ruiz anyone?
I think if this fight takes place it’ll be the new RJJ vs Ruiz. A lot of people felt the same way about that fight but I never really understood that logic.
I thought it was an intriguing fight and even though a prime RJJ is god with boxing gloves on it was a daring step up in any regard.
Either way though if Pac fights in March and he wants big bucks there are not many options on the table. This fight has got to be a money grab because they seem to be opposed to fighting in May due to the Filipino elections so that leads me to believe they just want a fighter that can be made in 4 months and packs quite a nice retirement incentive.
I think at this point with the Mayweather fighting being dead in the water(hey lets face it, it’s not going to happen. Negotiations didn’t even freaking start and Mayweather ended it) Pacs choices for March are either Foreman(if hes a big enough draw despite his current small momentum) or a third Marquez fight.
Can’t really think of anybody else being available now that talked about Cotto rematch is dead in the water.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 30, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RJJ was at least in a little bit of danger of getting KO’d by Ruiz, I thought. Ruiz put Holyfield down for crying out loud, Holyfield! you know how hard that is???
by Areglado on Nov 30, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not dead yet or maybe it is?
because, jr., sr. and uncle are all scared. i was gonna say don’t give up on this fight yet but i finally figured that the weathers are all scared now. listen to the interviews with roger, and sr. before and after the pac-cotto fight. they could not believe why and how pac would take on cotto simply becaue they themselves would never do it. and after seeing the result, they are definitely running away, through to their blood.
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's with the constant spew of Mayweather claims?
He wanted an unreasonable split? He wanted 60/65? Now he ended it? With no proof other than your daydreams of what went on between Arum and Schaefer?
You should read Areglado’s rec’d post above.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 30, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
post the truth
people here just declined to post my comments. let the truth be told. shame on all of you!
by ken69 on Nov 30, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Since I tried to tell you why privately, I’ll now do it publicly: You’re trolling. You’re posting the same thing over and over looking for a reaction, desperately, and you’re not getting the one you want, so you just keep on. I’m sorry everyone isn’t agreeing 100% with you.
We know the Mayweather family saga and their out of the ring troubles, we don’t need you to educate us. We already understand by your 25 comments in one thread that you don’t like Floyd Mayweather, his father, or his uncle. You do not need to repeat it anymore. You can discuss, and you can state all the opinions you want, but we’d appreciate it if you didn’t flood and troll, because it’s of absolutely no use.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Dec 1, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are completely obtuse… seriously…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Dec 1, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On Manny Pacquiao and Philippine Elections
The Pacquiao-Mayweather fight being scheduled for September, 2010 seems plausible. Since Manny Pacquiao is running for congressman here in the Philippines, any fight by Manny Pacquiao from January, 2010 up until May, 2010 (the campaign period for Philippine elections) would be banned from being aired all over the Philippines. That’s the election law here in the Philippines. That’s why some TV/radio stars here in the Philippines have quit their programs already.
There’s NO WAY I can imagine the people’s champ Manny Pacquiao agreeing to THE MOST IMPORTANT FIGHT IN BOXING OF HIS LIFE that cannot be watched live by anyone in the Philippines. September, 2010 sounds like a plausible date to me, because that sounds like enough time to resolve Manny Pacquiao’s post-election protests (and there will be some, because he’s fighting against a tough local politician), plus time to train afterwards.
As an aside, it is a credit to Manny Pacquiao that he’s not running for position in the Senate, a national position that he can win easily. Manny wants to start small and local first, which is very hard because his opponent is a rich, entrenched incumbent with strong local ties. If Manny Pacquiao loses, I can foresee that he’ll continue boxing for a couple of more years, at least until the next elections.
by WriteLite on Dec 1, 2009 4:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I can see why Manny wouldn’t want to fight that huge fight during the political season. However, Money May will use this as leverage since he will argue that he and the public want to see this fight now. Manny can postpone the fight, but he will have to pay. Not surprising that the Arum camp is trying to mitigate the PR nightmare that would ensue if Manny said he didn’t want to fight because of politics. So basically Manny has to take a break or take a BS fight. Either way it hurts his stock. Floyd has to do the same thing thing which only lessens his value and the value of the fight overall.
by waldo47 on Dec 1, 2009 4:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might alienate Manny Pacquiao’s fight fans, but it won’t hurt Manny Pacquiao’s stock with the Philippine public, that’s for sure. Pacquiao really wants to do the right thing for his people, and if that’s bad PR, that’s just something that Pacquiao has to live with. Besides, PR is spelled BS as far as I’m concerned.
As an aside, Manny Pacquiao wanted the Mayweather fight for October of this year because of these scheduling considerations, Pacquiao announced it himself in Philippine TV.
by WriteLite on Dec 1, 2009 5:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here in the US
People have short attention spans. If he is gone for half the year, a main part of the public will forget about him and the PPV numbers in the US will be far lower than if he fought in March. Floyd’s team will try to spin it this way and use it as leverage to try to get some advantage (just how these things work). Of course promoters always do an amazing job of ramping up the hype in about 2 weeks before the fight, so the drop off may be small.
by waldo47 on Dec 1, 2009 5:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Yuri Foreman shirt
just arrived in the mail. Happy early hannukah for me.
by tichbou on Dec 1, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Given recent develpments, Dubai, could use this fight….$$$$$….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 1, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well they are kinda broke trying to build the world…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Dec 1, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey folks ESPN just interrupted football coverage to report that money may and pacman have just come to terms and that march 13 is the proposed date, but may 1 might end up being the final date. holy shit people the fight of the universe might actually happen
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Dec 2, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Was going to write a fanpost
About how this fight was prolly not happening soon because of the Philippine election laws (I looked them up and had links), but if its signed screw that.
by waldo47 on Dec 2, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woah… got to give props to ESPN on that…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Dec 2, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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