Most irritating decision....
My fellow Badlefthookers, I feel it necessary to bring to your attention a conversation I had yesterday. Not for any momentous reason, in fact not for any good reason other than the fact you all like to talk boxing, and so do I.
The conversation I was having, with a good friend of mine, was about the boxing decision that rankles with us the most, even given a certain amount of time. We covered refereeing decisions, judging decisions, trainer's decisions, even fighters' decisions in certain circumstances, both in and out of the ring. An example of an "in the ring decision" would be Victor Ortiz's decision quit when the going got tough, an "out of the ring decision" would be Joe Calzaghe shamelessly and flagrantly ducking Glen Johnson, Ike Ibeabuchi's decision to go and kidnap someone, or even James Kirkland's decision to stick a gun in his glovebox.
In order to distinguish between them, I suppose it might be best to put them into those categories, and pick one (or more, since this is a discussion, not a dictatorship!!) from each list, with maybe THE most annoying one highlighted too.
I'll start (after the jump!!);
*Refereeing decision;* I have to mention Cortez in Hatton/Mayweather; made the decision that this was going to be a non-contact sport. This was annoying in the extreme. My #1, however, and I know Jrok will have my ass for this, but this is my genuine opinion; Richard Steele deciding to stop Meldrick Taylor with 4 seconds left in the fight (vs Julio Cesar Chavez) when he was on his feet, had beaten the count and there was no way he was taking any more punishment was a really annoying decision. The face and shape of boxing could have been irrevocably changed, and a man who could and should have been able to call himself World Champion fought on longer than he otherwise would have done in order to try to attone for his self-perceived 'failure'.
*Judging decision;* I know it was close, I know there have been bigger travesties, I know that the fight could have gone the other way. I KNOW. But Marvellous Marvin Hagler beat Sugar Ray Leonard, in my eyes. I've watched that fight about 40 times, and never have I once scored it for Leonard. When discussing the most annoying decisions ever made, I think the ones that had most effect on the boxing landscape for the foreseeable future after the fight are right up there for me, and things would have been completely different had we seen the decision go to Hagler. We wouldn't have seen the retirement of Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard would not be regarded as highly as he is, in all likelihood, and who knows how the middleweights would have panned out had it been the destructive, nasty, ferocious bastard Hagler, rather than Leonard, who sat at the top of the tree.
*Trainer's decision;* Eddie Futch deciding to pull Smokin Joe out against Ali. When considered alongside the fact that Ali had told Dundee to "cut em off", and Joe didn't speak to Futch for years after he made that call, I find it a travesty for Ali to still be given the rave reviews he gets. Ali quit. Frazier didn't. Futch was calling the ref over just as Ali's gloves were being cut. Had Futch waited 30 seconds more, it may well have been Frazier's name we were all brought up on, rather than Ali's. And if they had come out for the 15th (impossible, as Ali would have quit by then), the picture of a snarling, vicious Joe Frazier coming at him would have been too much for Ali, I believe. The face of boxing is changed by one man's decision to pull his fighter out, against his wishes. That rankles with me. In fact, it just plain pisses me off.
*Fighter's decision (in the ring);* Martin Rogan's recent decision to stop and wait for the ref to stop Sam Sexton must get a mention here. In all seriousness, what the hell was he thinking? It's not my number #1 though, as Clinton Woods really pissed me off by deciding not to even bother trying to punch Antonio Tarver in their fight. I mean, who wouldn't want to punch Antonio Tarver? The Clinton Woods gameplan;
Step 1. Follow opponent round ring with hands down, as he backs up and jabs.
Step 2. When within range of opponent, raise hands to guard face. Do not, under any circumstance, throw a punch at opponent.
Step 3. Wait until opponent has unloaded a few shots, mainly onto your gloves, and has moved away, out of range.
Step 4. Repeat. Again and again, until people who are watching are screaming at the TV, and wanting to smash you in the face themselves.
*Fighter's decision (out of the ring);* Roy Jones Jr's mission to be this generation's C.B. Fry, and also to move up to heavy and down again so fast to fight Tarver is right up there. However, This is eclipsed by Lennox Lewis' decision not to train for the Rahman fight, and also by Joe Calzaghe's decision to wait until Jones and Hopkins, who would have both smashed him into oblivion 5/10 years earlier, were close to picking up their pensions before fighting either of them. Coward. All of thesepale into significance, however, when considered alongside Mr Kirkland's decision to carry a gun in his glove compartment, knowing full well that being caught would result in bad times for him, and immeasurabvle consequences for us, as boxing fans, and possibly on the sport itself. Kirkland could have been the REAL next Big Thing, and he potentially ruined it, for what?
I get the feeling I've missed a few really obvious ones, and even forgotten some that we discussed last night. I'm hoping some people on here will help put this right!! :)
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 4, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
My #1, overall....
Hagler’s decision loss to Leonard, which I felt he clearly won, really gets to me. It pisses me off every time I think about it.
However, Futch’s decision to pull Frazier out, which has resulted in 20 million people regarding Ali as the greatest fighter of all time, really gets under my skin. I cringe every time I hear Ali mentioned as the best boxer of all time, I want to kill the man saying it. I hate the tabloids that harp on about him, I hate the movie references (Exit Wounds being one of the more cringeworthy). Ali just plain and simple didn’t deserve it. Frazier deserved it more, and most people don’t even know who Smokin Joe Frazier is. In fact, I’m going to punch very hard in the face the nextperson who says to me Ali was the greatest boxer ever, as I think this personifies one fo the qualities I hate the most in people; that of "having an opinion whihc you didn’t reach by yourself, instead relying on the tabloids/hearsay/common bollocks.
I’m drunk and pissed off right now (running into ex-girlfriend syndrome) but I fucking hate Ali. I hate all he stands for. And Eddie Futch’s decision to pull Frazier out against his will is by far the most fucking irritating decision I can think of right now.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I’m all for different strokes for different folks and what have you, and I agree that Ali is not the greatest boxer of all time, but I really think people have started overreacting to Ali’s status, as if the man didn’t have an amazing career and a resume that you can stack up against anyone at heavyweight.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
Yeah
Even Ali says he’s only the greatest Heavyweight and that’s during full bragging mode. I’ve seen footage of him saying that Jack Johnson was a badder man than him, and I can’t recall whom he said was a better overall boxer than him, but it’s there. I’ve always been a huge fan of Ali and it didn’t come through tabloids or hearsay. I’m too young to have seen the fights live or whatever, but I’ve seen the fights on ESPN classic and he looked pretty great to me.
by black dragon on Nov 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
most of these are off the top of my head, so they're recent
Refereeing: I have to mention Cortez in Mayweather-Hatton, too, but only because the continued complaining about Cortez in that fight really puzzles me. I got it in the immediate aftermath when people were still fooling themselves into believing Hatton had a shot past round three or so, but I don’t get it now. Cortez’s refereeing in that fight was fine. It didn’t favor Hatton, no, but a lot of what favors Hatton is illegal or borderline illegal. Anyway, I go with Laurence Cole letting Juan Manuel Marquez know he was ahead on the scorecards against Jimrex Jaca. That was a supreme “WTF is this idiot doing?” moment. Cole would also likely place several more times if I did a top 15 or the like.
Judging: Mayweather beating Castillo in their first fight bugs me because I like to imagine a world where Mayweather got that L out of the way and maybe wouldn’t have avoided so many tough fights to keep protecting his stupid record. But that’s hardly the worst.
Trainer: Brendon Smith in Michael Katsidis’ corner against Juan Diaz was absolutely perplexing. I have no idea what fight he was seeing.
Fighter (In-Ring): Oscar literally running from Trinidad and then pissing and moaning the rest of his life about the loss. Literally running from him!
Fighter (Out-of-Ring): Mayweather’s awful decision to pick Juan Manuel Marquez for a “fight.” I haven’t harped on it, but I was almost embarrassed by that fight. Here’s the Big Boxing Fight and it’s the least competitive goddamn fight of the year, and for such blatantly chickenshit reasons. Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the sig
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Nov 5, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Trainer Trinidad’s father telling him he was winning in both the Hopkins and the Wright fights in the later rounds. WTF is that
Fighter promoting a fight RJJ taking the nickname “Captain Hook” in his fight with Jeff Lacy. The fight was then billed as a battle of the best hookers in the world (how do you like that for wordplay?). RJJ then went on to dress as a pirate for the pre-fight interviews. WTF
Fighter retirement Lenox Lewis retiring after beating Vitali. This one clearly was in Lewis’ best interest- he would have lost the rematch. So while this isn’t a WTF decision, it just gets me mad knowing we missed great fights because Lewis wanted to protect his legacy.
Questionable Refereeing The Froch-Dirrell ref was pretty ridiculous overall. The Jones-Ruiz ref seemed to think that heavyweight boxers shouldn’t be allowed to clinch (insert hugging joke here).
Post fight interview Malignaggi completely losing his shit in after the loss to Diaz. I was inclined to say he did win, but it was a close match. Much closer than the scorecards read at the end of the fight. I was actually angered by his interview though. He made himself out to be classless and immature. His valid points were drowned out by his bitching.
I dont think Lewis would’ve lost in a rematch ! Not at all. Study their June 2003 bout againHe was far more of a complete than the Klitschkos ever will be..He was 41-2-1 and 37. He was a tremendously accomplished Heavyweight when he retired. I think he had the right to hang em up. Don’t you? And I think Malignaggi was making a valid point on the subject of bias hometown judging. I kind of applaud him for it. Nobody has the guts to do that. Everybody wants everybody to keep their mouths shut about scandals and controversies. Fuck that shit! It was his rebellion about certain little aspects that are flawed in boxing. I pretty much agree with you on the rest.
prime Lewis probably would have beaten Vitali Klitschko but he wasn’t miles better than him. However I think wanting to retire at the tail end of your career rather than suffer a loss to a prime opponent is defeendable. The fact that a rematch would have been cool makes this annoying to the fan but it’s still totally understandable.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think Lewis' biggest flaw was that he was too casual with certain opponents.
He did it with McCall (the first time), he did it with Rahman, he did it with Klitschko.
But let’s get this straight;
An old, past his best, too casual, slightly out of shape Lewis took a pummeling early, but had started to take the fight by the scruff of the neck, and had been dictating the pace of the fight in the last two rounds. He was outclassing Vitali in there from round 4 onwards.
And after the fight, Vitali needed 167 stitches in his face, and Lewis looked like he had just got out of the shower. This was a proper “Minnesota Fats/Fast Eddie Felson” moment. Lewis had zoned in and could have gone on all night.
I seriously don’t like this attitude that Lewis would have simpy lost the rematch, as if it is/was a given. I think too many people have been influenced by Vitali getting up on the ropes and waving to the crowd at the end of the fight. I challenge anyone to watch that fight, with the sound turned off, and stop it at the point where Vitali is stopped, and tell me Vitali was going to win that fight, had it continued. Even taking the cut out of the equation.
Lewis started slow. But I had it even going through 6, with Vitali winning the first 3 and Lewis winning the next 3, and having all the momentum. I appreciate the judges all had it 58-56 for Vitali (they probably gave him the 4th) but I still say, if the cut hadn’t opened, Lewis would still have won that fight.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Klitchko took the fight on very short notice. If he had a proper fight camp, studied for the fight, and had a proper game plan I believe the fight would have looked much different. I am pretty sure a rematch would have looked completely different.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to include Oscar's decision to go all Usain Bolt vs Trinidad too.....
Jones calling himself Captain Hook was a terrible decision. What on earth possessed him?
Hagler deciding enough was enough, while understandable, still bugs me. The guy was probably the best middleweight I’ve ever seen, and he just…. stopped. It’s gutting. My favourite two fighters are/were Marvin Hagler and Roy Jones. One stopped far too early, and the other has gone on far too long (although I still watch in awe at some of the stuff Roy does now!!). If they had both stopped at 33, I’d be a happier man. :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

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