Quick Picks: Valuev-Haye, Dawson-Johnson II and Angulo-Yorgey
Bad Left Hook will have live, round-by-round coverage, scoring and analysis for both of these cards. Valuev-Haye starts at 3pm on Integrated Sports PPV in the States ($24.99) and on Sky Box Office in the UK, and the HBO card starts at 9:30pm ET.
Nikolai Valuev v. David Haye (12 Rounds, For Valuev's WBA Heavyweight Title)
I'll flat-out admit again that I'm rooting for Haye because a win for him makes the stagnant heavyweight division that much more interesting. The last time the division got any shot in the arm, it was Vitali Klitschko coming back. And that comeback has simply led to two Klitschkos manhandling their opposition instead of just the one. Haye winning opens things up. Valuev winning does not.
But Valuev can win, and the closer we get to it, the more it feels to me as though that's what we're going to see. I don't like it, but for all the world this just reeks of a massive disappointment for an exciting, dynamic fighter whose chin simply isn't going to stand up. Valuev will be more aggressive here than he was against Holyfield. Valuev, soft as he is, is almost surely a better cardio guy than Haye, and his stamina is likely to hold up. Haye could stop Valuev, but I don't think he's going to get there.
But it's the chin, really. Monte Barrett clipped and wobbled Haye a year ago -- Haye's last fight, mind you -- and with all respect to Barrett (whose fights I've generally enjoyed over the years, and who is still owed a debt of gratitude for getting Tye Fields off of TV), he stinks now.
Valuev will lose some early rounds. Valuev will eventually catch and hurt David Haye. Haye will get up, try to fight back, and in his recklessness, get hit hard again. I hate doing it, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm going with Valuev by TKO.
Alfredo Angulo v. Harry Joe Yorgey (12 Rounds, For the Vacant Interim WBO Junior Middleweight Title)
I know he's only 27 and that he's got only 17 pro fights under his belt, but this is an immediate future make-or-break for Angulo. He's mauled everyone except Kermit Cintron, and since I think Cintron is way better than Yorgey (yes, I just complimented Cintron), I sort of expect he'll do that again. Yorgey's a tough guy and a decent boxer, and I think he'll make this a pretty entertaining fight for as long as it lasts, but I just don't think he's in Angulo's league. Of Jack Loew fighters, Yorgey's over by Billy Lyell, not by Kelly Pavlik. Angulo by TKO.
Chad Dawson v. Glen Johnson II (12 Rounds, For the Vacant Interim WBC Light Heavyweight Title)
The WBC light heavyweight titlist, for the record, is Jean Pascal, who won it in June, defended it against a mandatory in September, and is fighting a rematch with Adrian Diaconu in December. But hey! Interim title! Good job, WBC! I'll be sure to take your moral stands from your idiotic convention really seriously!
Not even that, but Dawson held the title before and gave it up so he could fight Antonio Tarver instead of Diaconu. Yet Shane Mosley, who once gave up the interim WBC welterweight title, needs to publicly apologize for doing that if he wants the WBC to sanction a fight with Andre Berto in January. Who do these rubes think they are, exactly? I'm serious when I say a six-year-old could poke holes in their logic. I'm no rocket surgeon over here and it's plain as day to me.
Anyway, I expect Dawson to win this one clearly. It's not that I'm underestimating Johnson or don't think he'll make for another competitive, entertaining fight, but Chad's younger and faster and all that. Johnson's a 40-year old man, and 40 is going to be a big, flashing red light for a little while longer. If Johnson wins this fight, that'll put that to an end. Bernard Hopkins alone isn't enough to make me stop thinking fighters tend to decline pretty hardcore at this age. Dawson by UD.
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Does anyone know
how much this costs in Britain?
by Drunken cutman on Nov 7, 2009 6:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
think its £14.95?!
They’re advertising all the time so you’d think I’d remember exactly…but anyway
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Nov 7, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
quick picks
haye tko 5. hes too good and valuev is just too bad and doesn’t hit hard enough to ko haye.
johnson sd. he won the last fight and he can do it again. like benard, hes a ageless freak of nature.
angulo early tko. what a shame that this is a for an interim belt after angulo was taken to school by cintron. oh well, i still dont even recognize the spurious wbo anyway but still.
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by sonofapsycho on Nov 7, 2009 7:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Bernard Hopkins alone isn't enough to make me stop thinking fighters tend to decline pretty hardcore at this age."
But he’s a start, right? ;) Seriously, Nard is a sickeningly good boxer, and will be remembered for a very long time as the man that time forgot.
As I was just reminded of it, what were the results of that Hopkins/Dawson poll I put up before? Does anyone remember?
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by Chaos100 on Nov 7, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it was clearly Hopkins in the end...
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Nov 7, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan clearly won the first, and in the rematch he looked over-matched.
Johnson clearly won the first, and I genuinely hope he doesn’t suffer the same fate in the rematch.
My heart says Johnson, my head says Dawson. Dawson never stops him though, unless age has made Johnson human, in some way….
Dawson UD
Valuev/Haye…. like Pacquiao/Cotto, this is really hard to call for me. The difference being, I love Cotto and Manny, and don’t want either to lose. I am a David Haye fan, sometimes, and I really hope he smashes the big bastard. However, onthis one again I am split, heart says Haye, head says Valuev. Sometimes the heart has to rule the head, y’know?
Haye TKO
I think I should just copy and paste what SC wrote on the Yorgey/Angulo fight. Angulo ploughs through people, and it took an inspired Kermit to beat him. Yorgey has never been a Kermit Cintron, and will get mowed down with all the grace and style of a combine harvester.
Angulo TKO
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by Chaos100 on Nov 7, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Dawson UD
Angulo TKO
Haye UD…I’ll go out on a limb and say I think he’ll win easily, that despite all this talk of knocking Valuev out, he’ll focus on speed and making Valuev look slow.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Nov 7, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Well I agree mostly with others have already said about the other two fights but as for the Haye fight like everybody else I am stuck in the middle as to what will happen.
Haye moving upto HW and taking on such a big guy is not in for an easy night if he gets hit.
On the other hand Haye looks pretty ripped up and he’s quite an athletic guy not to mention quite fast. He may very well unleash a 12 round ass whooping on Valuev which he can’t deal with.
I’ll give it to Haye simply on the fact that I am sure he will come hard and aggressive at Valuev for the first few rounds and if he does enough damage to the body during those rounds as long as Valuev doesn’t catch him in the latter rounds he’ll take the decision.
by MannyPacquiao on Nov 7, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Dawson by shockingly wide decision
Angulo 9th round mercy stoppage
Haye MD, but he gets knocked down and looks crappy in the late rounds.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 7, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haye chin leaves alot of question marks but Valuev as big as he is isn’t a big hitter for his size. I do like Valuev work rate but I think Haye can pot shot him to a UD.
Angulo will get a TKO around the 8th
Johnson via upset UD… why because it will mark another loss on the prized prospects that HBO was pimping at the start of the year.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Nov 7, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Look at this... and you can't help but be dissapointed by these fighters to a degree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pet7vZPV4Q
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Nov 7, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing about it is some of them are GoldenBoy fighters.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
by Sickle on Nov 7, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haye by wide UD.
Angulo TKO 9.
Dawson by wide UD (Johnson will moan about it later, and the fight will not suck, despite the wide scores).
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by Matt Miller on Nov 7, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haye-TKO 10
Angulo – UD
Johnson – UD
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
by Sickle on Nov 7, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oddschecker has Ward/Kessler for tonight as well, but that's a blooper, right?
Surely Kessler/Ward is on the 21st?
Anyone able to inform as to what time the Dawson/Johnson fight will be on tonight?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Nov 7, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And now they don't...... all is right with the world..... :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Nov 7, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Predictions
Haye by UD(but it wouldnt surprise me if valuev wins by corrupt decsion,the fight is in Germany,so keep that in mind)
Dawson by SD
Angulo by (T)KO
also, i know this is a boxing website but………..
Fedor by 1st Round Submission over Rogers on free tv tonight
by Curtis72094 on Nov 7, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What channel is Fedor on?
I’ve never seen him before, and I’m kind of curious as to what the “best fighter in the world” fights like.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 7, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CBS
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 7, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Showtime is really pimping him hard… they have a fight 360 on this fight…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Nov 7, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should. He’s the best fighter in the world.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 7, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apart from that lumberjack in Greenland, eh Scott? ;)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Nov 7, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Nov 7, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
everything fedor
this is good stuff. http://www.mmacrazed.com/the-fedor-chronicles-part-one/
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by sonofapsycho on Nov 7, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this one also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7Q2tACvnc
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by sonofapsycho on Nov 7, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping you’re right so I don’t have to hear that pussy talk shit then back out of fights with guys he knows would destroy him.
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
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by jsims2 on Nov 7, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haye SD The giant will be cashed in, and King will be representing Haye before Christmas.
HJ Yorgey UD in a barn-burner that sees both guys down.
Johnson KO 11,shattering a dog-tired Dawson who on his way to another bogus win on the cards. Make it happen, Gentleman Glen!
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Nov 7, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SC’s picks are basically like mine but i’ll go in specifics
Valuev TKO 10
Angula TKO 7
Dawson UD
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Nov 7, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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