Bad Left Hook: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Spencer Hall's Sports Meme Power Rankings

No loss could hurt Manny Pacquiao's legacy

Manny Pacquiao's legacy is secure no matter what happens on Saturday against Miguel Cotto. (AP Photo)

Manny Pacquiao's legacy is secure no matter what happens on Saturday against Miguel Cotto. (AP Photo)

First things first: I am not (as of this moment, at least) predicting a loss for Manny Pacquiao this Saturday against Miguel Cotto. But for argument's sake, let's say he loses to Cotto. What does it mean? What does it say?

For a fighter like Manny Pacquiao, it is anything but destructive to his career, no matter how it were to happen, if it were to happen.

Pacquiao, you see, is special. Always will be. He's special because he legitimately tests his limits. Special because he's a genuine fighter. Special because of what he hasn't done as much as what he has done.

He's done a lot. Even in this era of meaningless belt-gathering, winning titles in six divisions is amazing. A seventh would come Saturday. And when you look at how Pacquiao did it, it's even more incredible.

His first major title came in 1998, when he beat Chatchai Sasakul at flyweight (112 pounds). He burst onto the world scene with a stunning domination of Lehlohonolo Ledwaba to win the IBF junior feather weight (122) title in 2001. His 2003 demolition of Marco Antonio Barrera stunned many, and made him the rightful world champion at featherweight (126).

He and rival Juan Manuel Marquez collided for a second time in 2008 to decide not just Marquez's 130-pound WBC title, but the vacant Ring championship, too. And Pacquiao won a narrow decision in a great, great fight. Three and a half months later, he wiped out 135-pound titlist David Diaz.

And earlier this year, he made mincemeat of Ricky Hatton to become the junior welterweight world champion. Not one of those titles was cheap, save perhaps a bit for David Diaz, who is hardly among the worst recent paper titleholders.

Cotto's WBO welterweight title would be another amazing scalp. And all of this leads me to what Pacquiao doesn't do, never has done, and what is just as important in terms of legacy as all of his talent and skill and phenom status.

He doesn't protect his record. He doesn't whine about how unfair everything is. He's never complained or bickered or gone out of his way to hand-pick easy opponents.

Manny Pacquiao will add Miguel Cotto -- win or lose -- to a list of opponents that includes Ricky Hatton, Oscar de la Hoya, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, among many other tough opponents. And he's beaten every one of those men, too, with only a draw against Marquez and one loss in three fights against Morales since he's stepped up into the truly elite ranks of the sport.

Pacquiao, at 30, could never fight again and be a shoo-in Hall of Famer on every single level. He's helped put the Philippines on the map as one of the world's premier boxing powers, and his accomplishments ensure that generations to come in the Filipino community will look to the sweet science. He is a sports hero the likes of which American fans will never quite be able to comprehend. He is one of a kind.

Manny Pacquiao steps into the ring again this Saturday to give himself yet another great test. Even if his unbelievable run from 2003-present hiccups against Cotto, it won't mean he was overrated, overhyped, or made out to be something he wasn't.

Pacquiao has exceeded every expectation anyone has ever had. He's everything he's been said to be, and then some. And it may yet be a long time before we see anyone quite like him. No matter what happens on Saturday, if you're a boxing fan right now, you'd be foolish to not cherish Pacquiao and the chance to watch him fight.

2 recs  |  Comment 22 comments  |  Add comment |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Nice post Scott.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it truly is amazing how a one-handed little dude ended becoming the GOAT

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 10, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ended up*

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good write up. Pacquaio is what everyone looks for in a boxer, he fights to please the fans even if its not the smartest thing, and fights the people who the fans want to see him against, even tho it may seem stupid to others. If he looses i will only say that finaly he met a challenge he couldn’t finish. He might not get the dream fight of Pac vs Mayweather but he has given us so much more.

"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone

by sigidy on Nov 10, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Legacy

This fight is certainly more about Cotto’s legacy than it is about Pacquiao’s. By all accounts, any victory by Pacquio is only going to have a marginal impact on his image (unless he beats Floyd, which would place Manny in debates among the top-10 of all time). On the other side, if Cotto were to win it would instantly catapult him into superstardom. With a Cotto victory, I could see him potentially becoming the biggest PPV draw in boxing since De La Hoya.

"After a while you will get over being afraid." - Ray Bradbury

by JTrull on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yo is your sig from fahrenheit 451 or whatever?

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Signature

It’s actually from a story titled “The Reincarnate” from his short-story collection “We’ll Always Have Paris.” Although his long-form work has faded as he’s aged, his short-story work remains amongst the best in literature.

"After a while you will get over being afraid." - Ray Bradbury

by JTrull on Nov 10, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and about your comment about biggest PPV draw in boxing, that can only be done with mayweather to tell you the truth. a third fight with JMM would do huge numbers (by “normal” standards) now that JMM is THAT PISS DRINKING MEXICAN to a majority of americans, but without mayweather he won’t be as big as oscar in the PPV game

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PPV Draw

I was actually considering Cotto being a huge draw if he were to beat Pacquaio. Considering his ethnicity (which is a natural draw in and of itself) and his appearance (a good-looking man, especially by boxing standards), I find it difficult to see him not going “big time” if he were to pull off this huge victory.

"After a while you will get over being afraid." - Ray Bradbury

by JTrull on Nov 10, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Cotto wins, he becomes bigger than Trinidad was when he beat De La Hoya

by JohnUtah on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the US as a PPV draw

Maybe. In Puerto Rico, never.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it can happen, maybe not surpass Tito but come close just not with this one win alone, Tito reached his peak after the Vargas fight, another Cotto signature win would get him up there

by JohnUtah on Nov 10, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my father was born and raised on the island, and in my lifetime, the only boxers he’s ever followed were Mike Tyson, Tito Trinidad, and Miguel Cotto so take that for what its worth

by JohnUtah on Nov 10, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know a lot of Puerto Ricans

and Cotto’s not even close to Tito with them. Long-term, maybe Cotto catches up. But Tito openly had a lot more pride about his homeland and fighting for Puerto Rico, and that seems to carry a lot of weight.

That’s not to say that some Puerto Ricans won’t like Cotto more, but I doubt he becomes the same kind of draw.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The one legitimate gripe

is David Diaz. I’ve certainly seen a lot of people complain about how weak Pacquiao’s record looks in retrospect, but if you look in the other direction, it’s pretty easy to see that he was taking on big challenges, and they just seem like blowouts after the fact. But David Diaz was the easiest target at 135. Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz (and maybe even still Julio Diaz, I can’t remember) were available at the time, and either one of them likely would have taken the fight, but they targeted David Diaz, who held a belt but was ranked around #7 in the weight class at the time and who barely scraped by a blown-up Erik Morales.

But really, Bob Arum just knows what his fighters can handle better than just about anyone else. Look at any of his marquee names’ careers, and they all look pretty similar. Incremental steps up over and over until they hit stardom.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz (and maybe even still Julio Diaz, I can’t remember) were available at the time,

This becomes particularly annoying when you consider what a fight between Pacquaio and one of these guys would have been like. I reckon he would have ground Juan Diaz into the canvas. If you can’t hurt Manny he is going to be able to throw whatever he likes and Juan Diaz would have needed a minor miracle to properly hurt Pac.

Honestly I don’t know a lot about Casamayor so I won’t say anything about him.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 10, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Casamayor’s a fuck. A talented fuck, but a fuck. I think he would’ve given Manny some trouble in the very early rounds, but Pacquiao would have eventually stopped him.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 10, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. I think Casamayor was doing a pretty good job of extending his shelf life there for a while, but I really doubt he would have had enough to keep Pacquiao off of him. Katsidis is still a C+ fighter in my opinion (okaaay, maybe a b…minus) and Casa arguably lost to Santa Cruz. I really think JMM could have settled things quicker had he stepped on the gas earlier. Instead, they were, as expected, testing each other’s boxing skills for a good portion of the fight.

I managed to call the Juan Diaz – Marquez fight pretty accurately, predicting that eventually, JMM would solve the puzzle and use Diaz’ aggression against him. In Pacquiao, I think Juan Diaz would have been facing a buzzsaw similar to himself, but with bigger blades and a higher rpm. Pac also seems to be stronger and more durable tham JMM at 135, so i don’t think Juan Diaz could have pushed him around the way he did Dinamita. The first three rounds would have been fireworks, but Pacquiao’s bigger guns, better hand and foot speed, and championship experience would decide things by the 6th or 7th.

Say what you want about David Diaz, but that dude is one tough bastard. Yes, he certainly wasn’t the best at 135, but I do think he deserves a bit more credit than most people give him. He did do better against Pacquiao than both Ricky and Oscar (okay, not much, but still…)

by Areglado on Nov 10, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i recently rewatched the david diaz fight

and man he is one tough guy.. outclassed all the way but never quit and kept coming, maximum respect to him

by dach on Nov 10, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, David’s a tough SOB. And a good-humored guy. Basically a shrunken Arreola. I like him a lot.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 11, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"shrunken Arreola"

that just sounds wrong

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That guy needs a different last name.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


User Tools

Welcome to SB Nation's Bad Left Hook, covering boxing 365 days a year.
Start posting on Bad Left Hook »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Nazim Richardson on Margarito loading his gloves
Metux_sm_small
There's something about Manny

Recent FanPosts

Small
Ten Year Anniversary of Grant-Golota
080702_nickdiaz_small
Manny Pacquiao Weight Timeline
Picture_010_small
Boxing double knock down
Beanie_small
Live at the Kessler-Ward Press Conference
Small
Don't discredit Golota
Small
The Sad Truth
Small
Scoring a Fight
Small
History in the making: The grand science experiment...
Small
Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

9018_185776360922_747385922_4256197_5272137_n_small SC

Editors

Box_marquez_vazquez_275-707948_small Brickhaus

Boxing_icon_small Matt Miller