Haye's trainer says Vitali is easy to beat

by SC on Dec 13, 2009 8:23 PM EST in News Analysis Comment 53 comments

David Haye could have fought Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko this year. He didn't. But he and his team are still talking about the brothers. (Photo by Al Bello / Getty Images)

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Terence Dooley reports today that Adam Booth, the trainer of WBA heavyweight titlist David Haye, feels Vitali Klitschko is easy to beat, and ripped his performance yesterday against Kevin Johnson.

"It was a typical Vitali performance," bemoaned Booth. "He does the same thing over and over again and everybody that he fights is unable to pose a question of his style. He plants his feet in range, uses his height to lean back out of the way of hitting coming back that may have substance on it and uses his strong arms to push so repetitively. He does the same thing every second of every round of every fight and it amazes me that these so-called elite heavyweights cannot figure out that there is a simple answer to that style to be able to land your punches."

Haye, of course, had the chance to fight Vitali on September 26, and instead fought Nikolai Valuev in November. He also could have fought Wladimir Klitschko in June, but he pulled out of that, too.

It's no secret that if Haye gets past mandatory challenger John Ruiz, a fight between Haye and one of the Klitschkos is about as interesting as it's going to get for the division. On that count, I can't find any fault with Haye and Booth continuing to smack talk the Klitschkos. It's likely an inevitability that they meet, and if they don't, well, it's also almost certain that it'll be because Haye chickened out, for lack of a better term.

I do think Vitali is beatable -- and Booth just may have the fighter to do it. Vitali was stiff and immobile again on Saturday, much like he was earlier this year in a pure stinker against Juan Carlos Gomez. Both Gomez and Johnson didn't engage, either, but it's easy to tell when Vitali isn't loose out there. He plods, his punches come from just his arms, and that sort of attack would make him quite susceptible to someone with Haye's speed and power, at least in theory.

I do hope we find out one way or the other in 2010 whether Haye can handle the Klitschkos. Either one or both of them. It's about the only thing left in the heavyweight division I have true interest in, to be honest.

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Haye and his trainer are full of spit.

Look…. Haye fought a tactical / passive fight against Nick Valubum last month on PPV….. Valubum is also one-dimensional………. Paw with the left jab and then lob a right cross with girlish power…… WOW! I am overwhelmed by Valubum and his technique as a boxer………. Still, Dave Haye took minimal chances….. Point is, if Haye was paranoid about Nick Valubum’s size and so-called strength, then how do you think Haye will react to Vitali Klitschko who is also huge, strong and powerful with underrated skills.?.?.? People from the U.K. speak as if Haye were Superman who can do it all at heavyweight…… What baloney……..

If Haye fights V.K. it’ll be in 2010 or even ’11 if this match is to be made……… Haye will first opt for a safety first defense in 2010 before making any serious plans……. Haye is merely looking to remain protected and earn cash with minimal risks involved…

If I were Vitali Klit, I’d just retire in 2010 with the WBC belt and wait for my introduction into the IBHOF…….. V.K. has nothing else to prove and he is wealthy with other prospects looming…… It would nice to see V.K. simply go out on top as champ……. He’s beaten the best mothers’ of his era….. Cheers……..

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by MRBILL40 on Dec 13, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Haye speed is a problem… his power… eh… I never seen Vitali wobbled even vs Lewis.

I still think that Vitali would destroy him.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 13, 2009 8:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Corrie Sanders wobbled him pretty good with a fast counter left in the first(?) round of their fight, IIRC.

by FCF on Dec 14, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hey how about actually sticking to the contract instead of ducking these guys? god i hate this asshole

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Dec 13, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

The Klitchsko brothers are the most repetitive and boring fighters in the history of the sport.

Every single fight Vitali will do the same routine again and it is incredibly boring to watch.

The problem is when people think boxing they generally look to the heavyweight division and when it has been occupied by two fighters the general public simply have no interesting in watching for so long it does terrible, terrible things to boxing.

I for one will be glad if either of the brothers got the crap beaten out of them or retired.

Even boxing fans profess they have no interest in the heavyweight division anymore and its because there isn’t any real risk to the throne of the two brothers due to their boring style.

Fact of the matter is if you want boxing to pick up you don’t even need a successful fighter you just need one that is exciting and likes to put on a show. These two brothers have done so much damage to that division over the years its going to take a big big change to go back to the big PPV days of Mike Tyson.

by MannyPacquiao on Dec 13, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fact of the matter is if you want boxing to pick up you don’t even need a successful fighter you just need one that is exciting and likes to put on a show.

Floyd Mayweather’s fights suck and he’s one of the two money men in boxing.

Anyway you’re acting like it’s their fault they’ve been so dominant. Maybe you should shift the blame over to the list of big talkers who were all going to end the Klitschko reign of “terror” and once they got in there, they mostly stood still or ran around and didn’t even bother to try attacking Wlad or Vitali. They’re dominant because they know how to box, stay in shape, and spend more time training than telling people how they’re the next Muhammad Ali.

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by SC on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 14, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Klit brothers

are certainly the definition of professionals and they both seem to want to become the best fighters that they can. Not their fault that there is little competition out there, but I still think that both are overrated by a number of folks. Just opinion, but that’s mine and last night did little to change it. Vitali is best known for a fight that he lost to an out of shape Lewis.

by Don From Prov on Dec 13, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Pretty much my opinion, too, Don. Lewis retired after that fight not because he didn’t think he could beat Vitali (again) in a rematch, but because he knew he was past it

by FCF on Dec 14, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mine as well.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 18, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haye is shrewd. He is looking for that one big payday and then he is gone. Mark my words. Of cousre, should he win, well that’’s another story.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 13, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My guess is, if this fight ever happened, Haye moves around alot and trys to pop shot VK and gets hit for his effots and lands little and nothing of substance. Then gets bit frustrated since he would be far behind and gets reckless and someone ends up with Haye landing on them in the front row.

If he wouldn’t engage Valuev how will he do it to the stronger better skilled VK.

His best shot out of the brothers is Wald and his chance is to load up something big and pray it hands flush

"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone

by sigidy on Dec 14, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

All I can say to Haye and team about this is

we’d love to see you prove it!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Stop looking at the Klitschkos

Seriously they would both kill you and your best chance is against Wlad not Vitali, stop going after them. There are two fights that would generate a great amount of interest. Both Haye v. Adamaek and Haye v. Arreola have the potential to be really good, bruising heavyweight battles. You have completely burned all bridges to the Bros, so you really need to establish yourself in the division before fighting the Klitschkos is even worth mentioning.

by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 3:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Two years ago, one year ago in fact;

I’d agree with you. Vitali was the better fighter then. Now, I’m not so sure. Right now, I think Haye has more chance of beating Vitali, mainly because of his lack of mobility and the amount he has slowed down.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 14, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Vitali just has a really bad night. He looked plenty mobile against the big nipple, so I think he was just thinking too hard or something. This is not to say that Vitali has good footwork, but I think he still has movement. Even saying that Haye barely beat Valuev, which would be the definition of no mobility…..

by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Vitali just has a really bad night. He looked plenty mobile against the big nipple, so I think he was just thinking too hard or something.

All things considered, probably more likely his balky old back was acting up, as it appeared it was against JC Gomez.

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by SC on Dec 14, 2009 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I said;

“I think Haye has more chance of beating Vitali”

That comment is in comparison to Wlad. I think Wlad would KO Haye to be honest. If Haye can’t deal with Valuev’s impression of a jab, how the hell is he going to deal with a real one, that comes fast, and hurts, and is unrelenting?

I think Haye could possibly hang with Vitali, since Vitali is SLOW. And he has more chance of beating Vitali than Wlad. I also think wlad would beat Vitali up now, which I wouldn;t have thought I’d be saying as recently as a couple of years ago.

That said, I still think Lennox could train for 4 months, and still be in the top 3 heavies right now. Whether or not he’d beat Klit1 or Klit2 is up for debate, but there isn’t anyone else out there who could beat Lewis right now, IMO.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Let’s not go nuts. Lewis is 44 years old and hasn’t taken a punch in six years.

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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was kind of thinking the same

much as I love me some Lennox….(to use an SC’ism….)

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Dec 14, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it's nuts. Honestly.

Tell me who you’d pick over Lennox if Lennox had 4 months hard training?
Haye?
Valuev?
Johnson?

this is a serious question. I think Lewis would be #3 heavy right now guaranteed if he came back. If you have an alternative opinion, feel free to post it, but please tell me who you think would beat him?

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haye, Eddie Chambers, Chagaev, Povetkin, Ruiz, Tony Thompson, Sam Peter, Arreola, Boysov, Dimitrenko, Solis…

There are a lot. He’s out of shape, 44 and hasn’t fought in six years. He’d be terrible. I’m not even sure he could really take “4 months hard training.”

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by SC on Dec 14, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Regardless of how much speed and gas he’s lost, I don’t think Lennox would have lost much physical strength (the strongest HW of all-time, IMHO), and his power would still be there (again, one of the hardest punching HWs ever). He’d just have to adjust to a new style of fighting: less of the “sweet science”, more of the “blunt trauma” (which is what he was about towards the end, anyway). Don’t think it would be beyond him to do that, and I think he’d probably overwhelm most of the names on that list. A fast, smaller guy like Haye might do well against an old Lewis; straight ahead fighters like Arreola and Peter would struggle

by FCF on Dec 15, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Lewis would decimate Haye.

In fact, the only way I see Lewis losing now would be to a big money puncher, someone like Arreola, maybe Peter on his best day. Someone who would literally come straight at him and try to bang him out. A money punch on Lewis and he might go, but I don’t see David Haye being able to get anywhere near him, because Haye is too scared (yes, I said it, Haye was SCARED in the Valuev fight) of getting hit himself to try to unload against Lewis.

Funny how we both think he could still be really good, but we think exact opposite things about what would be required to beat him now… :) It’s a funny old game…. :)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he would be too old now

but in his prime he would send Haye packing with a jab!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 5:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sort of assuming Lewis has lost a lot of speed/mobility/stamina and will be relying on strength/power/nous against these guys. Anywhere near prime and it’s not even close. I think Haye would have to fight scared again (agreed, he was shitting it vs Valuev), ‘cause he (and we) knows Lewis could put him to sleep in a heartbeat; but Lewis might have lost enough mobility for Haye to snatch a round here and there. Then again, maybe Haye gets starched in the first round – who knows?! Pretty much ditto for Haye’s gameplan vs Vitali: but Vitali just isn’t, and never was, as good as Lewis, even a faded one, notwithstanding their fight in ’03 (I thought the cut came just in time for VK – saved him getting TKOd at some point).

I think that Arreola (and Peter) catching lots of one-twos from VK is a bad prognostic indicator for his chances against the MUCH harder punching Lewis (I’ve never had VK down as a puncher, despite his KO%). Again, I think I’m making allowances for the long layoff….

It’s good to both agree and disagree!

by FCF on Dec 16, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

(I thought the cut came just in time for VK – saved him getting TKOd at some point

Yes despite Klitschko’s good start he looked like he was struggling at during the rounds before the fight was stopped on cuts. I agree that if the fight had continued Klitschko would have been busted up.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It really was a good start from VK; but he was fighting at a VERY high pace, esp for such a big guy, and looked to be flagging

by FCF on Dec 16, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll go through your list with approriate responses;

Too small and scared.

quick, but small and with no real power. Nothing scary there for Lewis.

LOL you must be joking.

Too rigid. Would plod forward like a tractor on a slight incline, with the wall it hits being Lennox’s jab.

I honestly think you must be taking the piss. Ruiz? Really? Lewis would be favourite without 4 months training, in my eyes. Put them inthe ring tomorrow, throw some 10 ouncers at them and Ruiz goes down in the second.

Tougher. Stylistically, maybe he could outpace and outjab Lewis. Then if Lewis went for the “blunt trauma” approach suggested by our esteemed colleague FCF, he would KO Thompson.

A money puncher. Could stop Lewis with the perfect shot, if he didn’t turtle shell like he did vs Vitali and refuse to throw a shot.

The best possible chance, outside of a Klitschko. Naked aggression (naked, Chris Arreola… ugh…) coupled with raw power would be Lewis’ Kryptonite right now.

No chance. He’s barely a boxer. He’s a pub fighter who happens to be big. Lewis is bigger.

Slow, immobile. If Eddie Chambers was too much for him and Eddie is, with all due respect, small, what the hell would he do with even a shot Lennox Lewis?

LOL now I know you’re joking. Solis couldn’t beat his own mum convincingly. A fat, lazy, slow, powerless nobody, who was a good amateur (but so was James Degale….) Solis is the WORST fighter that you keep touting on here. I don’t know what you see in him, but honestly? It’s not there. He really is a big fat James Toney wannabe. I feel a little aggrieved you are putting him in this conversation, to be honest. Solis? beat Lewis? You must be having a funny five minutes… :)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 15, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You and SC obviously know a hell of a lot more about current boxing/boxers than I do, and some of the arguments both for and against “Old-Man” Lewis look persuasive. However, I have seen a few of Solis’ fights on Youtube and, unless there’s another guy fighting under the same name, he aint all that. In fact, he aint any of that.

I still think the busier boxer types could trouble Lewis for a bit, so long as they could take a punch (which sort of blows my Haye idea out of the water, but not because he’s too small); and the more straightforward, aggressive types get dumped. Then again, there’s always the chance Lewis catches one….it’s happened before

by FCF on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Solis/Welliver

It’s on youtube, it ‘showcases’ Solis perfectly….

Ugh.

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 16, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

(Agreed)^2

and my “all that” was a bit ambiguous. I wasn’t referring to your list of his deficiencies – it was just a trite use of the vernacular: “you think you all that, Odlanier? Well listen up sister, you aint”

by FCF on Dec 16, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I got that... :)

I thought it was both amusing and correct….

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 17, 2009 4:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I will say this;

I always respected Lewis for saying, one time, “I’m done”. As much as I love me some Lennox Lewis, I never really craved a comeback. I was glad he went out the way he did.

Now though? I want to see him lace up again. Do a Midnight Sting on all the guys you just listed. Six months training, and then BAM. All of them, in 24 hours.

It’d be beautiful….. :)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 15, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haye for sure.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 18, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly I don't think it's possible for Haye to beat either Klitschko

I’ve been thinking about it a lot and for a while Ireckoned he could but now I have changed my mind completely. His whole plan against Valuev was to avoid getting hit for most of the fight and land when he got the opportunity. To do this he relied upon how very slow Valuev is and how he is rather fast. The neccesity of such a plan is worrying when you consider that Valuev really doesn’t hit that hard, if he was my size he would be feather fisted.

Essentially Haye won because he could avoid getting hit, something he will not be able to do against a Klitschko, Adamek or Arreloa. I simply don’t see him having a good future in the heavyweights.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

'Anything is possible!!' (Lennox Lewis)

Arreola’s not exactly that mobile or blinding in the handspeed department.

I think that part of the reason he wasn’t up for engaging was just the massive size thing and in clinches Valuev could just wear him down. He would have a big chance against either because I feel he has enough skill and athleticism and lack of fear to hang with the pair, and he possibly hits even harder. Probably Vitali of 4/5 years ago bangs him out in the middle rounds, but for me not now.

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Dec 14, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well it needs some thinking about

but Arreola is definitely faster than Valuev and a bigger hitter. We will learn a lot more about Haye from his fight with Ruiz and then we’ll be able to make better observations about his future. At this point I really am finding it hard to make my mind up for long about his chances with the Klitschkos.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You have completely burned all bridges to the Bros, so you really need to establish yourself in the division before fighting the Klitschkos is even worth mentioning.

One of them just fought Kevin Johnson, so I think “you have to prove yourself in the heavyweight division” is right the hell out the window when it comes to David Haye against a Klitschko. He’d done more than Johnson had when he beat Monte Barrett.

Bad Left Hook
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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just saying that Haye would need to get enough big wins to make it that the public essentially forces the fight. Not saying that anyone fighting the bros have crazy awesome resumes…

by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 6:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s far too basic to say Haye chickened out of both Kiltschko fights. When he was set to fight WK Setanta TV went bust and they were supposed to be paying him – who in their right mind would step into a ring with WK for free?

For VK, the terms were supposedly too one-sided to swallow for Haye and so he backed out. I guess no one will ever really know exactly what happened but it seems people are just against him because of his big mouth.

I’ve got a feeling he will spectacularly KO Ruiz when he fights next and don’t forget this will be in front of a US audience. GBP will then have all the ammo they need to call out the Klitschkos and no doubt Haye will have a much more advantageous negotiating position.

by strike4A on Dec 14, 2009 3:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

But it really doesn’t matter what we think, the Klitschkos are looking to punish Haye for his tactics. They won’t fight Haye before either retires. Its just not happening because they really dislike him, and are both smart enough to know that fighting Haye is a reward for Haye, not a punishment.

by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Except that Vitali called him out this week... ;)

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Dec 14, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really? Ugh…..

by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 6:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s far too basic to say Haye chickened out of both Kiltschko fights. When he was set to fight WK Setanta TV went bust and they were supposed to be paying him – who in their right mind would step into a ring with WK for free?

Yet he blamed it on some “injury.” Who in their right mind shifts blame to an injury if the real reason is, “Hey, I wasn’t going to get paid.” It’s not like the world wouldn’t have understood, and said, “Oh, shit, this guy isn’t going to get paid. No wonder he doesn’t want to fight. I wouldn’t go to work for free, either.”

So, is he (or is Adam Booth) actually in his right mind?

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by SC on Dec 14, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I suspect the terms of his Setanta contract that was about to go under prohibited him somewhat.

by strike4A on Dec 14, 2009 6:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He could have pulled out without the fake injury. The truth came out within days anyhow. “No comment” would’ve been better than his bogus training injury story.

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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 7:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

'no comment' wouldn't have flown either

the way he ran his mouth off before. But he handled it extremely unprofessionally, I think he should have covered up with that injury story better. Booth is relatively inexperienced though, so he’ll have learnt from it

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Dec 14, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The terms were pretty damn one-sided for the Valuev fight as well

So I’m not sure that’s really what it was. Reportedly, he only got 1 Euro for the Valuev fight (plus all UK revenues), PLUS Sauerland got options on him, PLUS there was a rematch clause. That’s a pretty damn one-sided deal if you ask me.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Might be

easy to beat, but not many are doing so, and it’s questionable—to say the least—if Haye has the tools to beat either Klit.

by Don From Prov on Dec 14, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Haye and the heavies

Lets make no mistake here, you couldn’t melt David Haye down and pour him in the ring with either Klitschko,..won’t happen. He will fight within the WBA’s bogus ratings, Ruiz, Meehan, Valuev rematch, Austin, etc. etc. The man had his chances, he SAID he would beat both brothers, he got both,…gift wrapped,…he backed away. STOP all the talk about Set goin’ bust, he didn’t go to K-2. HBO, the promoters,….no one to see if this fight could be saved. 50,000 seats sold and he didn’t try to save it. It was a back problem alright,..no spine. Peace!!

by Iron Beach on Dec 15, 2009 7:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

It was a back problem alright,..no spine.

I like it!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 15, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haye’s explosive power generated atypicaclly by his musculature could give anyone fits if he connects. He wobbled the giant with late round powere and if he hit Wlad flush, he could cause havoc. Vitalui would be a more difficult fight given his style and better chin. I give Haye a decent chance against Wlad.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 18, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs