Danny Green calls out Bernard Hopkins, hires Gary Shaw
by SC on Dec 13, 2009 8:54 PM EST
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Last night on Showtime, Danny Green was in attendance at the Bradley-Peterson fight in California, and talked with Showtime's Jim Gray briefly between the night's two televised bouts.
Green called out Bernard Hopkins, which everyone expected he eventually would. And it looks like it just might happen. Rick Reeno reports that Green has hired American promoter Gary Shaw to help work out the deal.
"Gary is advising me and we're doing a plan. It's out of my control at the moment. It's up to Bernard on where he wants to go. If he wants it in Australia or he wants to do it here in America. Of course we have to agree to the terms. Hopefully we sign it and get the fight on. It make sense to do that fight. It's a natural progression. They were supposed to fight Jones. They overlooked me. Now he can scratch out Roy's name and put my name on the contract. It's the biggest and most lucrative fight out there."
Like his win over faded Jones, Green may be overstating the desire for Hopkins-Green, especially since I just don't see Bernard agreeing to fight in Australia, where they could make huge money at the gate and B-Hop could get a killer guarantee, as Jones did. In the States, Hopkins-Green isn't a whole lot bigger a fight than was Hopkins-Ornelas.
Getting an American promoter who knows Hopkins and knows more of the American promoters' games is a good idea, though. Shaw is a bit cantankerous, but Golden Boy knows him. Jones didn't have the same issues, because he at least partially negotiates his own deal, and he's his own boss. Hopkins is, too, kind of, but not in the same definitive way.
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how good would this fight be? isnt this guy basically a 175 lb, poor man’s version of pavlik?
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by battle axe of doom on Dec 13, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’d probably stink like most Hopkins fights do.
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by SC on Dec 13, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Green Vs Hopkins
I’m glad that Hopkins has the balls to fight Green after everything he said before the Jones fight. “Who’s Danny Green” Who’s Green Beaten? Well now it seems Hopkins will follow the money trail & head Down Under to face the Green Machine. Hopkins is in for a serious beating like Jones, Can’t wait. I hope it goes longer than the 2 minutes it took Green to demolish Jones
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Dec 13, 2009 10:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Will the fight be in Australia, Europe? Someone better tell BHop cause his geography is a little poor. He might end up somewhere in Scotland when they tell him the fight will be in Perth.
by FrankinDallas on Dec 13, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
According to Lennox Lewis
Hopkins’ sweatshirt has the American flag on it.
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by Brickhaus on Dec 14, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great
I could go and watch it!
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Hops-Green" is big---In Aussieville......
“Green-Hops” would sell and do well down under in Aussieville…….. Here in America it is merely a decent fight for cabe TV……… But Hops has pretty much stated he will not fight down under in Europe…. He, He, He…… OOPS!!
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by MRBILL40 on Dec 13, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Green v Hopkins.
Calling out Hopkins is good for Green’s popularity but at the end of the day both Jones Jr and Hopkins are old. Green should take up Chad Dawson’s challenge and face the best in the division. That would cement his legacy as a star moreso than fighting a still good but ageing Hopkins.
by RJJ on Dec 13, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True
but Hopkins is a much bigger name and draw, in both America and Australia. I don’t really think any of what Green does not is about his legacy but rather to get a load of money.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is knocking on Hopkins door who he would actualy fight. He talked Adamek and low balled him. He says he wants Haye to try take a HW title but I dont think he would go for it, Haye would like it but Hopkins would pice himself out. He should fight Green in America, try sell it as Green is a big up and comer who KOed the great RJJ in only 1 round and hope some of the general public will buy it then move on.
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by sigidy on Dec 13, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Green's options
They are terrible. There is no way in hell the Hopkins takes the Green fight. I mean Hopkins was defending RJJ at the end of the Green fight, which means he has zero respect for Green. Hopkins wants a big money fight and a chance at revenge, both of which don’t exist in a Green fight. Hopkins has RJJ, Dawson, or Haye and those are the only real options.
by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A big money fight DOES exist in a Green fight
It’s actually so green with money. If the reports I’ve read were right, RJJ got $6 million for the Green fight! Green! (I mean money). It’s a big money fight down under, man.
by Fj-3 on Dec 14, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta be the most i’ve ever seen a dude use the same pun in one post.
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by battle axe of doom on Dec 14, 2009 5:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet most of that was guaranteed to RJJ, simply to lure him to fight Green in the first place. Hopkins is also not risking a loss to a second-tier type of dude. Just not happening, even for $10 mil.
by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 5:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopkins would get a big guarantee to go down there, too. They made a lot of money with that fight, and now that they’ve seen Green smash Jones, this would probably be even bigger. I don’t think Hopkins will go, but if they guarantee him $10 mil he’d be a complete moron to turn it down.
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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems to be concerned too much about avenging loses to take this fight that could potentially be risky. He’s only got one or two more fights in him, and I don’t think he wants to end his career with Danny Green. Just sayin’
by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very possible, but if they offered $10 mil, he’s almost gotta take it. I think he’s felt out the general consensus and has to know that fighting Roy Jones Jr. again is something nobody really wants to see anymore. I don’t see a network picking that up (maybe ESPN or Versus, but they wouldn’t/couldn’t offer enough money) and it wouldn’t sell on PPV. What else can he do really? He seems disinterested in Dawson. I guess he could fight Haye (which I think is a terrible idea).
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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing is that there is not much money in fighting Dawson, who is the established #1 in the division, and it is more likely that Hopkins will lose that fight. I guess he should take the money and run, but it just feels like such a wrong way to end a career.
by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s HBO money in fighting Dawson. HBO has already thrown money down the drain on the Dawson-Tarver rematch and to a lesser extent the Dawson-Johnson rematch. They seem to REALLY want Chad to be a flagship type of guy, so if they can get Hopkins to fight him (last chance, perhaps, to make Chad a major star) I’m pretty sure they’ll go deep for it.
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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HBO seems to have been trying for that fight forever….don’t think that much has changed now to make Hopkins suddenly stop avoiding Dawson.
by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopkins was defending RJJ at the end of the Green fight, which means he has zero respect for Green.
Not necessarily. It means he was trying desperately to save his Grumpy Old Men rematch.
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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Hopkins-Green on the Mayweather-Pacquiao undercard. Not sure if they could get enough $$$ for themselves as opposed to going it alone though.
by strike4A on Dec 14, 2009 6:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Green Vs Hopkins
When you beat a legend , you become some one instantly. That was the words Hopkins used before Green fought Jones in Australia. Well it looks like Green;s now somebody. Somebody who Hopkins will now fight Down Under, I seriously can’t see Hopkins beating Green in Australia. Lets see if Hopkins signs to fight Green.
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Dec 14, 2009 7:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When you beat a legend , you become some one instantly. That was the words Hopkins used before Green fought Jones in Australia.
What’s a real pain in the ass is Green was already a good fighter. When he was scheduled to fight Tarver in ‘07, I had him pegged to beat Antonio, and then Tarver ducked out of that and looked horrible against Danny Santiago. I stand by that to this day, and it’s nothing to do with Roy Jones. If Tarver had fought Green when they were scheduled in ’07, Green would have beaten the snot out of him.
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by SC on Dec 14, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
B-Hops is great, but also bland.
B-Hops is a hard sell in the USA if he is not fighting a big name opponent….. Hops is way too tactical….. His recent fight with that ‘Ornelas’ dude was horrid from my view…… Did Hops really need to go all 12 rds with that guy??? I was bored spitless after round 5…. I respect Hops, but I’ve grown tired of the guy too….. He ought to just retire…… Cheers…..
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by MRBILL40 on Dec 14, 2009 7:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He should retire because you find him boring?
I would rather the best light heavyweight in the world and one of the best boxers of the last decade didn’t retire but rather kept fighting top class opposition and challenging himself. Then again perhaps I’m biased because I actually really enjoy watching Hopkins fight.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Best 45 Year Old Fighter Ever.
Good Onya Drunken Cutman . As one of Hopkins biggest fans I wish he would retire but if he wants go keep going why not? He still hasnt copped a bad beating and in my opinion hasnt lost a fight since Jones beat him .Considering his age and record I’d suggest Hops has the right to fight who he wants. I wish someone would look at Greens record , it stinks ! He lost twice to Marcus Beyer , one of the worst so called world champions I’ve ever seen . Danny has never won a legit world title . He won the " interim " WBC super middleweight title off Eric Lucas ( yes the same bloke Jones fought after playing a game of basketball the day of the fight ). Green was easily outpointed by Anthony Mundine. Danny then won the WBA light heavyweight title off Stipe Dews , possibly THE worst so called world champion I have had the misfortune to see. Then we have Dannys third so called world title winning the IBO Cruiserweight title ( wtf) against the shell of Roy Jones . A bloke who has lost 5 of his last 10 fights and has been kayoed 3 times . None of the blokes Danny defeated to win titles were any where near the top of their divisions. Now Green calls out a 45 year old ex middleweight LMAO Why doesnt he fight Dawson or Adamek . I still think Nard has enough in the tank to beat Green . Danny fights on rails like Pavlik and he is very straight up and down . A lesser Kessler so to speak . I’d still rather watch the Hops – Ornelas fight than Wlad v Thompson or Vitali vs The Safety Pin Mister Bill LOL At least Hops has the excuse of being 45 ;-) Hopkins v Green as you said would be a big deal here William . If Hops can get 5 or 6 million for fighting Green instead of chump change to fight Dawson well fair enough .Cheers Fellas.
by JC40 on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
…hasnt lost a fight since Jones beat him…
Uncle Slappy beat him. It happens. Why do people still hang onto this one?
by waldo47 on Dec 14, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe barely landed a clean punch all night. Only one judge got it right.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
by Goatsnake on Dec 15, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Hopkins did?
He barely threw at all. That fight was certianly not a robbery and wasn’t particularly controversial. If it wasn’t for Hopkins talking shit afterwards then very few people would consider this loss as a win.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 15, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm perhaps that was a tad confrontational
If it was then it’s because I really do think Calzaghe won clearly.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nay bother
I had it 7-5 Hopkins, 10-8 for the first rd giving him a 3 pt win on my card. Yeah Joe threw a bunch but Hopkins parried, slipped or blocked practically all of em. Joe was hitting mostly air or gloves and was made to look amateurish at times. SD…shoulda been a rematch.
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by Goatsnake on Dec 16, 2009 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a pretty damn clear fight, 7-5 in favor of Calzaghe
plus the knockdown. Hopkins took too many rounds off. When he was throwing, he was winning, but he didn’t do enough.
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by Brickhaus on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same goes for Cotto-Clottey
And for Winky-Taylor. And Hopkins-Taylor.
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by Brickhaus on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopkins did nothing.
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by SC on Dec 15, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He still hasnt copped a bad beating and in my opinion hasnt lost a fight since Jones beat him .Considering his age and record I’d suggest Hops has the right to fight who he wants
I second that JC. Cutman’s on the money too.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
by Goatsnake on Dec 15, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Greens people are also making overtures to Evander Holyfield <shaking head ………
by JC40 on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Green will NOT fight Holy.... NAW!!
People,
Green and his team are merely riding a nice wave as of recent…….. That team will say anything to keep the ‘Green’ name in motion……. It’s a smart business move……. Keeping a high profile……. But “Green Machine” is not gonna risk a wicked beatdown by a 47 year old well-toned heavyweight who’s 215 ripped pounds like Holy still is in 2009 / ’10…….. Not gonna happen………
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by MRBILL40 on Dec 15, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mister Bill has the beat
Agreed Mister Bill , Evander might be ancient but he’s still big , mean and has a beard . Not the kind of bloke Green would want to fight LMAO Green and his team are SMART promoters . Green v Hopkins in Perth at Subiaco Oval in front of 45000 fans . Then Green v Mundine again at 175 . Its a given . I had Calzaghe v Hops 7 to 5 Hops with the knockdown in the first giving him a 3 point win. Feel free to skewer my arse and hoist it on the petard LOL. Changing tack the poms and taffies must be shattered . Calzaghes resume is looking sick. Ward thrashed Kessler , Joe’s only win against a so called young prime world class boxer. Green annihilated Jones unlike Joe who was knocked down and struggled early . Lacy was the most over hyped , least skilled fighter of the last 10 years . No jab , no speed , little power , watch the Sheika or Vanderpool fights . Lacy is the kind of fighter you match your charge with when you want him to look good . See Calzaghe , Jermaine Taylor and Roy Jones jr. Roll on the next super 6 fight , I’ve enjoyed the tournament to the max so far . Cheers Blokes.
by JC40 on Dec 15, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would be very difficult for us to hoist you on a petard
As a petard is a small bomb which was used to destroy gates and other fortifications up till the 19th century. And that’s my pedantic moment for the day over.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 15, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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