Vitali Klitschko has "preliminary" deal with David Haye
by SC on Dec 15, 2009 4:18 PM EST
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Though the Klitschkos and David Haye had a lot of back-and-forth that led to no action this year, and eventually had both Vitali and Wladimir saying they wouldn't bother with Haye, money's going to talk. Haye will get his crack at at least Vitali, it appears.
"In the near future I plan to fight Haye and take the title," Ukrainian daily Fakty quoted Klitschko as saying. "The preliminary agreement has already been reached."
Haye will still have to make his mandatory defense against John Ruiz if he wants to keep his WBA title, and it seems like he does indeed. Chances are Haye and Vitali will meet in the summer or fall, after both fight (and should they win) in the spring.
But it could be dangerous for Haye to overlook Ruiz, a steady, strong guy and a legit heavyweight, if he knows there's a big money fight with Vitali on the way. I already give Ruiz more chance than most are, and if Haye starts focusing on Vitali while preparing for Ruiz, he could get himself in trouble. Ruiz is no pushover.
It is good to hear that we're looking set for a Vitali-Haye fight, though. I said before that Haye against a Klitschko is about the last fight I actively want to see in the division, and I meant it. I'm almost certain I know how every other Klitschko fight goes, but Haye has the potential at least to mix something up.
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That makes a lot of sense, actually
- Vitali (who’s a bigger money fight in Europe than Haye) fights Valuev in exchange for Valuev not exercising his rematch clause.
- Haye takes on his mandatory in Ruiz
- Valuev gets the biggest fight available
- Vitali probably gets the biggest fight available (while Valuev is unpopular in the States and the fight not get picked up by HBO, it should be huge in Europe)
- Haye gets the biggest fight available after the Ruiz fight, assuming he wins
- No claim on Haye’s prior breach of contract
- Vitali-Haye happens after each guy has had another fight, which should be a mega money fight for both (HBO would pay good money to pick it up, Haye’s now a huge draw in the UK and Vitali is a huge draw in Germany)
Seems to work well for all parties involved.
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by Brickhaus on Dec 15, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agreed with you on the Ruiz thing;
I thought he’d be a stiff opponent for Haye, too.
Then I watched (for the 4,212th time) the Ruiz/Tua fight, which didn’t take long, and also the Ruiz/Jones fight.
Whichever David Haye turns up, he should just beat the crap out of Ruiz. Ruiz isn’t as good as he was 5/10 years ago, and Roy Jones, although being faster than Haye, more stylish than Haye, and a better boxer than Haye, did not carry the same brute strength as Haye, and Haye is no slouch himself. He is faster and better than Ruiz, and if he cracks Ruiz anything like Tua did, Ruiz goes down.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
That loss to Tua was eons ago. Probably about as good of a predictive tool as Pacquiao’s loss to Torrecampo.
Well you could argue
that Ruiz’s boxing hasn’t got much better since then and that his chin has proabably declined with age. I think the point was that he struggles with big punchers and Haye is certainly one of those.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 15, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
He changed his style completely since then
The Tua KO is the REASON he became the hugging jab and grab beast we know today. He used to be a standup boxer before his chin got exposed.
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I like the comparison between RJJ-v-Ruiz and Haye-v-Valuev – it’s something that’d crossed my mind, too. And another thing, despite his chinny rep, I’ve no doubt that Haye’s whiskers are at least the equal of Jones’.
However, I sincerely hope that Haye comes in against Ruiz with a Tua-like mindset, though. If it’s in the UK and on at a reasonable time, then I’ll be watching in the pub, and so will be less interested in the finer points of the noble art.
This is nothing but good news for the division
I will give Vitali-Valuev a miss but Haye-Ruiz should be fun and Vitali-Haye will be very intresting.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
"Valuev-Haye" stunk so bad; no rematch is needed.....
Boxing is business…. And had the original fight between “Valubum and Haye” been a thriller, talk of a 2010 rematch would be surfacing right now…. But since that fight of their’s sucked so bad, nobody has even thought to mention a rematch…. That in itself should tell you all something……..
This current talk about Haye fighting Vitali Klit is just hoopla…. Team Haye is destined to insist and talk his way OUTTA a possible fight with V.K…… Neither side will agree on anything….. So, why waste time screwing around there???
“Haye vs. Ruiz” and “V.Klit vs. Povetkin” seems more logical to me…… Plus, a whole lot easier to make doable in early 2010…… We also have W.Klit fighting Edward Chambers in a scheduled YAWNER for the IBF and WBO titles…… This seems easy and fair to me…….
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But since that fight of their’s sucked so bad, nobody has even thought to mention a rematch…. That in itself should tell you all something……..
Actually it’s been mentioned. If Haye beat Ruiz, the WBA would probably have Valuev or Ruslan Chagaev lined up for the next shot. Valuev’s fights being rotten has never stopped rematches from happening before.
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by SC on Dec 15, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Bill Knows
I have repeatedly said, and will continue to say,..No Way,..Haye will not get in the ring with either K-Bro,…unless one of them loses an arm in a car wreck. Peace!!
and i will continue to say....
YOU ARE WRONG m8
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
im sayin that
bcoz Haye has the bollox to go in their with anyone,
yes im from england, and im a big fan, but il guarentee you he will step into a ring with them. Am also confident he’s got the tools to beat them as well, but im not so blinded by biased to say he guarenteed to win :)
by Sweet science on Dec 16, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Good Luck wit dat
Wlad refuses to even discuss the possibility of ever facing Haye, WK says the man is just not a serious fighter thus he can’t be taken seriously in any negotiations. Vitali MAY just be F….in’ with DH, or giving his next opponent the idea he has other options. Besides Haye will be tied up with WBA’s fo the next year at least, IF he gets by Ruiz. But you’re welcome to entertain any beliefs that you wish,…apparently Haye fans are capable of living with disappointment on a regular basis, i.e. his “fight” with Valuev! Peace!!
Haye only fights ONCE a year.
Haye is not a very active or a serious fighter at all. And judging by his tactics at the table and in the ring, he’s only looking for easy money. He talks more than he fights. Plus, making a fight with him always seems complicated with his team and all the strange demands they want. He’s more of a suit and tie fighter than a real fighter with gloves and trunks on…. I see right through Team Haye’s bullspit……. I’m not impressed, either…..
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Oh lordy we still have to talk about John “Roy Jones bum boy” Ruiz and Valuev “the worlds hairiest man”. Give me Pinklon Thomas and Bonecrusher Smith any day over these guys. What does it take to make them go away? How many times do they have to lose or get disputed decisions before they just ooze into history, or at least to non-title bouts in Kazakhstan? It’s not like there aren’t any younger Eastern Euros waiting in the wings….
Not sure if either Povetkin or Boytsov (sp?) is willing to step up that high in competition just yet. I know that Povetkin realizes that he could use more higher-level traning, henceforth the hiring of Teddy Atlas (Deep Waters…Jellyfish…Sharks). Don’t know if Teddy Atlas is exactly the type of high-level trainer he should have hired, but at least he realizes such things. Boytsov looks like he has a punch but I don’t think he’s ready for the Bros just yet.
I don’t know about Boytsov, but yeah, Povetkin’s been sitting on a mandatory since January 2008. He’s being quite careful and knows in some ways his career could hinge on how he does against Wladimir. And he’s not young either at 30, so he’s probably waiting until he feels like he’s as fine-tuned as it’s gonna get.
And on that note…
Don’t know if Teddy Atlas is exactly the type of high-level trainer he should have hired
He isn’t.
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There’s no reason there couldn’t be. Manny Steward trains Wladimir. Freddie Roach has talked about taking on a heavyweight in the past (and thought he had a real gem with chinless Andrei Arlovski). I don’t see why a heavyweight paying Roach or anyone else would be any different than a welterweight paying them.
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by SC on Dec 16, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
I know that roach trained Tyson
A bit but I’m not sure in what capacity or at what stage in his career.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
Never lead trainer, I think
and that relationship ended with Atlas pulling a gun on Tyson.
He did train Michael Moorer for a while as well, including for the Holyfield fight.
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Am I the ony person alive who likes Ruiz?
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---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
He seems like a nice guy...
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
He is a great guy. I know his team and they have done a superb job of keepinh him in the mix over many years.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Nice guy. Deserved reputation for being boring as all hell in the ring. But he’s also started fighting more aggressively. Honestly I don’t have much against Ruiz. And I always say he’s generally got a point when he starts complaining about something. But I’m in the minority.
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by SC on Dec 16, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rooney
Kevin Rooney, Mikes trainer after Cus died,..whatever happened to him, last I heard he was still training some low level pros and some amatuer fighters in NY. Anybody know anything? Thanks! Peace!!
last I heard too
He appears content to work with young fighters. Same gym, too.
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by SC on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
He is around doing some training I believe.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I believe
that Haye would fight either Klit, IF it = big money and the shortest route to same. Don’t think Haye is here for the long run. At some point, one of the Klits will make the mo$t sense. In fact, I believe that route that he’s taken is to maximize how much he can get in negotiations with the brothers Klit. Roach would be a very nice idea for Haye against the Klits, but I sense he’s stisfied right where he is now.
Haye is one of the smartest guys out there when it comes to $$$$. The proof is in the pudding. He is now a champ, beat a chump, and minimized his risks in the process. He is not poised to make serious money and then get out with his marbles and live in Monoco. What am I missing here?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve got an idea….how about Hatton vs Haye? Ricky walks around at 180….give him a few more Guinesses a day, couple bangers and a vindaloo and he can get up to 200. Haye comes in a 210. It would be a HUGE fight in the UK….they could fill Wembley easily. Hatton – Haye MUST HAPPEN NOW!
Hatton/Haye
What title would be at stake?
The Diamond Belt!
The greatest of all the belts!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Interim Commonwealth UK and Irish Republic Semi Belt of Championship Pugilists
by FrankinDallas on Dec 16, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Once held by Gentleman Joe Williams
The greatest ever UK boxer, famous for knocking down Henry Cooper eight times over a 25 round fight despite being a welterweight. Ok I’m done with my sillyness now.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cruiserweight, assuming Hatton can come down!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
In all seriousness, Haye-Vitali should be bigger than Pacman-Mayweather. There will be a million PPV’s in Europe alone. And it would be for the People’s Championship.
I do like Haye
I like his swagger. Does that make any sense?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Surely you mean
only in Europe?
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Only in the UK
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
If it's on at an UK friendly time
Most people here will be down the pub watching it on a Polish channel – a lot of them just to spite Murdoch!
I Love Spiting Murdoch
Damn him!
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 17, 2009 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’m as guilty as anyone of lining the Great Satan’s pockets, but I did get rid of Sky Sports last year after Setanta took most of their boxing coverage. I also have a long, long history of ordering PPVs, and then sleeping right through them. The only mitigation for my continued subscription is that my wife can’t watch Dancing With the Stars on Freeview, so we agreed to keep the basic package. Actually, come to think of it, I don’t remember agreeing anything…..
This is a great thread. Ebb and flow, back and forth, no clinches!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions
2010 will be the year that the HW’s retake center stage. Adamek and Haye bring real excitement and international exposure to the division, IMO, and the old dogs (Ruiz, Value-less) will FINALLY fade away.
I’ll almost guarantee that the heavyweight division winds up looking essentially the same all throughout 2010 as it does right now. Tomasz Adamek fighting Andrew Golota and Jason Estrada isn’t exactly the stuff dreams are made of. And past Eddie Chambers (who likely is lamb to slaughtered in March) there’s still no top contending American.
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by SC on Dec 16, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Eddie might just surprise you.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 16, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
How about..
Boytsov, does he have a future? I haven’t seen anything on the lad, no fights at all. Seems as if the only fighter from the states to be rekoned with is Fast Eddie, I’ve met his dad and younger brother at McGirts gym. Both are really nice gentlemen, as is Buddy. Peace!!
No
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 18, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Marrone
I’ve been following Marrone since he was an amatuer since he was fighting out of Vero Beach, FL. only 40 miles from Cape Canaveral, where I live. Eddie C. Sr. has been handling him for 7-8 mos. and has really been developing Mike’s jab, I’ve watched him with some B-C level fighters in the last month. He’s looking like a different fighter, BUT, hes having a real hard time gettin’ a fight, Don King was sniffin’ around but nothin yet. Maybe when Cory Spinks gets a fight Mike will be on the undercard. Heard Tony Grano turned him down for a fight. Kids young, hope he gets back on track. Peace!!
Gee, taht’s a name from the past. I saw him fight Zack Page in Verona several years ago and then go up against Ferrel in a tough fight. He got waxed in Germany I think, did he not?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 18, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
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