SPOILERS: Danny Green-Roy Jones Jr.
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 12:28 PM EST
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The Danny Green-Roy Jones Jr. fight in Australia took place live at about 3am ET this morning, and since a lot of people just love them some spoilers, you can talk about the fight IN THIS THREAD ONLY.
So again:
- Spoilers are OK in this thread. Talk about the fight if you want to. IN THIS THREAD. This thread only.
- If you give even a remote spoiler in any other thread at this point, you're banned, banned, banned, banned, banned.
And also please note, THERE ARE SPOILERS FOR THE GREEN-JONES FIGHT IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST. Don't go in there if you don't want to be spoiled. The fight airs at 8pm ET tonight on Versus in the States. We'll still have the usual coverage.
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WOW!!
Who the fuck saw that coming?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
The big shot was the only chance I thought Green really had. So uh…yup. Sure as fuck guess he landed it, huh?
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
HEY!!
No spoilers!!
Thought you were gonna avoid spoilers anyway? Have you seen it yet?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I had it spoiled for me. There are worse injustices in the world.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I know Brian Brock has seen it too, I spoke with him on FB earlier....
Clip of the fight… (it’s the whole fight, too, on one clip!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfkXMFUuWm8
I am now convinced… SC was right…. 1st round KO’s at the top level are fluky. This shot is a nothing shot, which should have landed onthe shoulder, and instead caught him in the temple… Jones would have laughed this off in the third or fourth rounds…..
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I am pissed
I did not want to know how this ended. BE posted it on their front page and took it right down, after I had already seen it.
There goes the Hopkins fight.
Best laid plans, and all that.
Those bitching about spoilers: Shut it. It’s a boxing news site. If you want to avoid boxing results, do not visit boxing news sites.
That is all.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 2, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions
You do know that this is SC's site, right?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I should have been doing the spoiler posts anyway. That at least gives people the chance to prove me wrong by being told where to talk about it.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what you just said.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I figure it’s a no-win, really; I don’t want to be spoiled, but no matter how clear I am, someone’s going to do it. And if I put up a spoiler thread, you know what’s going to happen? Someone will go into the live (or “live”) results thread and go, “CAN YOU BELIEVE X BEAT Y? I JUST READ IT IN THE SPOILER THREAD!”
But at least this way everyone can prove me wrong by not doing that.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
What did I say bad about SC? I thought you were btiching at him above.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 2, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
You obviously didn't see the eloquent and spirited plea I made for a spoilers thread..... :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Sadly deleted!! SC, can I have it back?!!
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
It’s a pointless thing to have up now that we have this post. It just eats up space.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
But it was amazing!! Reminiscent of George Bernard Shaw, with its perception, its alacrity.....
Ok, Ok, I’ll stop now…..
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
haha comedy
and I can’t believe there’s actually now a spoilers thread. Looking forward to the write up on it after
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I was a bit miffed too
By the time I woke up, there were already two posts about it, including a good fanshot of the whole thing. Anyway, watched the video. Not shocked, but a bit annoyed that Jones fell back into old habits. He’d avoided getting caught up against the ropes in his last two fights, and I thought he’d be able to do that here as well.
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After watching it a few times now (since it doesn’t take long), I’ll say already that I won’t be doing the whole OH ROY, PLEASE TO RETIRE! If he wants to keep going, fine. This was fluky and you can even argue against the stoppage a little bit (just a little bit). I mean what was he supposed to do, stop defending himself and get hit by something he can very easily block?
Good for Danny Green and all, but this doesn’t show me Roy as any more finished than I thought he was before. And frankly if B-Hop beats Ornelas and can’t find a money fight, fuck it, do Jones-Hopkins II anyway for all I care. Their rivalry is no less settled than it was yesterday, either.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
I was thinking that about the stoppage too.
Green was winging them in, sure, but there wasn’t much he was actually hitting Roy with. 90% of those shots landed on the gloves/arms. If it was a Bute/Berrio scenario (that .gif makes me feel a little queasy every time I see it….) then fair enough, but there were no clear, hard punches landing cleanly on Roy.
And he still had his hands up. I’m a massive Jones fan, and maybe biased, but I see no need to stop fights when one guy is shaken, if he still has his hands up.
Refereeing like this would have meant a different winner in so many fights it is hard to name them, but Eubank/Watson is one, Ruddock/Morrison another, Williams/Potter another…. maybe not the best examples, but I think the point is made. It leaves no scope for a man’s heart to really show. Maybe Jones would have still lost, but at least he would have had the opportunity to go out on his shield, and maybe, just maybe, he would have “pulled a Eubank” and won….
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Roy was hurt and he was getting hit. I agree he was blocking 90% but throwing zero. He gave the ref no choice – when I guy’s in a total turtle shell for 30 seconds it’s hard to tell if he’s out on his feet or not. I don’t have a problem with the stoppage.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Marquez was hurt and getting hit in the first round with Pacquiao....
He also couldn’t seem to avoid getting punched clean, and his hands weren’t up…. he got knocked over 3 times in the round, but still went all 12, and a lot of people think he won the fight…..
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
throwing back, no turtle shell, not the same thing. Roy curled up. It had to be stopped
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
So, in your book, a man should be stopped for defending himself, but as long as he keeps his hands down and gets punched clean, he’s fine to continue?
Whatever happened to “defend yourself at all times”?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Roy was unresponsive. It was unclear whether he was still fully conscious, and he wasn’t intelligently defending himself because he wasn’t 1. moving his feet, 2. throwing punches, 3. holding on, 4. moving his head, 5. doing anything.
He was getting hit, he wasn’t defending himself, he was just taking abuse. Look at him after the fight gets stopped, his eyes are fucked, and he asks his corner what happened.
Look – you can dress this up any way you want, but comparing JMM’s monster balls, going out in a blaze of glory to what Roy did last is asinine. Roy got hit, and stopped throwing punches for over half a minute while lying on the ropes. In any definition of ‘defend yourself at all times’ it is necessary to fight back, somehow.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I agree
The stoppage was not premature by any means. He clinched once after a flurry by Green and when the ref broke it up you could see Roy was still dazed. He would catch an uppercut here and there and there was still about a minute left in the fight. He would have gotten hurt seriously eventually.
I agree with a lot of that, but I think some referees may have given it a bit longer, and he MAY have cleared his head. I mean, Green is hardly Duran in the finishing stakes, and a lot of the punches were being blocked (which is Roy defending himself, I guess). Then again, nobody wants to see him get hurt, and in the grand scheme of things it might persuade him to make the right decision and retire.
by FCF on Dec 2, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if it had to be stopped, but I don’t have a problem with it being stopped. Roy’s been around, he knows you can turtle like that when you’re clearly on bad legs.
And this also proved something we suspected to be true against Calzaghe: Roy has no goddamned idea how to clinch.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
*can't turtle like that
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
thats precisely what I was thinking!!
out on a walk just before, I thought, how did he not have any ring savvy to hold on for a while and buy himself some more time?! Just head down and hug him some?!
Ps I guess I’m the only one that maybe doesn’t know, but whats ’can’t turtle like that’?!
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Go into a shell, just taking shots, not punching back. Really it applies better to hockey fights or MMA where a guy can bunch himself up on the ground and basically hide like a frightened turtle might, but I like the term so I used it here too.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
ahhh cool
will be using that. Shame on your getting spoiled on the fight, was looking forward to your rbr(or round rather) and reactions from you and Brick when it went down.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
There are a lot of refs that would have stopped the fight sooner than this one did
He let Jones go for a good 20 seconds longer than did the Calzaghe-Manfredo ref, for example, and Jones was actually very clearly on shaky legs. Watch him head over back to his corner afterwards and he’s clearly still wobbling.
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Jones was done here
Whether the punch was good or not, he was clearly hurt. A good stoppage — Jones certainly isn’t complaining, so I see little need for us to.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's time to stop.
The fight stopped at the right time because Jones wasn’t swinging back, not because of what Green hit him with. (Although he jarred his head back with several uppercuts and got some good body shots in. I would adjust your 90% figure to 60% at the least.) There was nothing to do but stop it.
And that’s the same thing I say to Roy’s career: in the battering of empty shells like the artist formally known as Jeff Lacy, there wasn’t much reason for continuing it, and now, when putting him in the ring with even a faded giant like Hopkins seems outright dangerous, you just have to call it all off. The king is dead, long live the king.
I see no evidence that Hopkins is 'faded'.......
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
and I definitely wouldn't tell him even if I thought he was.... :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
And that’s the same thing I say to Roy’s career: in the battering of empty shells like the artist formally known as Jeff Lacy, there wasn’t much reason for continuing it, and now, when putting him in the ring with even a faded giant like Hopkins seems outright dangerous, you just have to call it all off. The king is dead, long live the king.
There’s a good chance there’s more reason than it might appear for him continuing to fight. He might need the money. He might just want the money. And he’s getting Square Ring off the ground with shows he headlines.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
All signs point to RJJ being monetarily secure. Square Ring might be a valid reason, though it seems to have been getting off the ground for a long time, and we can’t all be De La Hoya. The Hopkins rematch seemed to be giving his career a purpose again. Now? It’s strictly business, and business is boring.
I actually think Roy’s doing a pretty terrific job with Square Ring overall. It’s way, way more legitimate than any other fighter-run promotional company that isn’t Golden Boy.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Does anybody know what jones said post fight? I’m interested in his outlook on all this.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He simply said that there’s no excuses. Danny won the fight.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 2, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hopkins vs. Jones Jr. II
If Jones feels he still can compete and entertain, then the fight should still happen. It’s not like Hopkins has a high punch count or serious KO power.
While I understand that the win-loss column is very important, hopefully promoters will find a way to make certain fights happen. No fighter is perfect, guys win and they lose . . . depending on the fighter, I don’t think its a big deal.
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I think the loss takes all of the steam out of the fight
We’re supposed to believe he has some shot against a guy (Hopkins) who is still fighting at an elite level when he got wiped out a journeyman, who himself recently got out of retirement? As I see it, Roy has two options: 1) continue for a couple of years, fighting fringe guys in Biloxi and Pensacola to make a few last bucks and as a farewell to his still considerable number of fans or 2) retire. After this, Hopkins-Jones does ABYSMAL pay per view and winds up with RJJ getting KO’d.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
yeah – it just makes what I already thought more clear – I think Hop destroys RJJ. He may take a bit longer, but Roy can’t take a punch, and he doesn’t have the skill to avoid them anymore.
To me, this is the second worst part of boxing – watching a true great just not have it anymore. It’s bad because he literally gets his ass kicked. I watched Agassi figuratively get his ass kicked and it was irritating, but shit – I don’t like watching these facade’s get literally destroyed by guys like Danny Green.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
If he really needs the money
I’ve got no problem with him doing a few last shows in the southeast against the Omar Sheikas of the world (i.e. guys who literally have no chance of hurting him) just as quasi-exhibition matches for his fans, and for the last couple of paydays. And, he can use those fights to help spotlight some of the fighters he has in-house.
It does pain me to watch him fade, as this is the fighter that first excited me about boxing. Some of my best memories of college are of watching him fight with friends in crappy dorm rooms and apartments and marveling at his unbelievable physical skills. For me, he’s no different than Michael Jordan, or Tiger Woods (maybe a bad point of comparison today). I know many, if not most, don’t share that view, but as a guy who was literally jumping up and down with joy when he put Calzaghe on the canvas in the first round of their fight, thinking that the old Roy had somehow magically reappeared, it makes all of this really tough to stomach.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Dubious shot
I’ve watched that replay a few times and it seems like the shot was to the back of the head. But good win for Green and good promotion for the sport in the south pacific.
I thought that too...
It even looks a little like it might be his forearm that hits Jones in the back of the head?
I’m not saying it definitely was, but it looked like it ‘could have been’, to me. Glad someone else said it first…. :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I never really had any interest in Jones-Hopkins 2
I’d much rather see Hopkins fight Chad Dawson or move up in weight.
Regardless of whether that stoppage was premature (I don’t think it was), what’s clear is that Roy just has ZERO punch resistance now. That shot may have been hard, but, man, it almost looked like a grazing shot and there he was stumbling about in the corner…
I wanted to see the rematch with Hopkins too, but given Jones’ soft head, I don’t think it will take much for the precision punching Hopkins to take Roy out. The only thing that keeps the fight interesting is the bad blood.
Just in response to the Marquez comparison above, I thought Marquez wasn’t so much hurt as just in shock from the first two KD’s and somewhat hurt, but not really out on his feet after the third in that first Pacquiao fight.
Stupid spoilers
I get RSS feeds on ESPN and sure enough bam it pops up. So I youtubed it. The KD punch didn’t even really look that hard or flush but I guess looks can be deceiving.
Green’s heavy handed and as Areglado said, it looks like Roy just cannot take a punch anymore.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
he was completely out of it after that first shot. he nearly pulled a chicken dance, it was awful
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by battle axe of doom on Dec 2, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was a good punch
it looked hard to me…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Maybe he never could take a good punch?
He only started getting hit properly when his reflexes started to go. No disgrace in that, though: in his prime, defensively, he got by on some of the best reactions the sport’s ever seen.
by FCF on Dec 2, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's the theory
Lou Del Valle put him on his ass years ago. I think it’s a combination; partly he’s probably draining too much these days and should be fighting at cruiserweight instead anyway, and partly he never had a good chin to begin with, and once the reactions were gone, he started getting caught by flush punches.
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Maybe a blessing that he doesn’t have such a good chin, after all: quick knockouts/stoppages shouldn’t have too many long term effects. I can think of at least one other boxer who lived on his reflexes in his youth; but then had the misfortune to discover a solid chin when the reaction times had slowed.
by FCF on Dec 2, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I’m also thinking of Robinson, too. There’ll be lots of other, less famous, cases as well, I guess
by FCF on Dec 2, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Calzaghe
This is another knock on the Calzaghe resume. I don’t want to be a Calzaghe basher because I know there will be more than enough people willing to fulfill that role but it further takes the shine off. Its not an exact science comparing the performances retrospectively but Calzaghe couldn’t KO Jones, didn’t Dominate Kessler the way Ward did.
It shouldn’t make me re-evaluate those fights because of the fluke aspect of this KO. The same way Kessler should still be seen as a good win for him because he showed Ward how to pick Kessler off. It SHOULDN’T but it DOES make you re-evaluate those wins.
PS. I just felt like saying this because its one of the first things that came to mind. I know somebody was gunna say it so thought I’d get the ball rolling. HaHa
I never thought much of anything of Calzaghe’s win over Jones, to be honest.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
OK. Fair point. But we did sort give Jones enoguh rope to hang himself with on this one. He was dominated by Calzaghe and everyone said retire. Then he beat two shot fighters (which you acknowledge in your fight preview) which was seemingly enough credibility to bring about talk of a big(gish) money fight with Hopkins. There were plenty of people saying that those wins showed he was “back”. Just trying to play devil’s advocate tbh.
He did the same thing to get the Calzaghe fight in the first place
and Green was the final piece of the puzzle in getting the Hopkins bout. In retrospect, he obviously should have pulled out once the Hopkins deal was in place (as had been rumored for a bit). I don’t think he can pull off the same smoke and mirrors show a third time, but who knows.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, was just thinking that. Its all well and good to say that the hardcore boxing fans know that Jones is shot and that Calzaghe’s win means nothing in the grand scheme but theres plenty of people who probably don’t view it that way. Look at the way the aussie commentators react: “When you beat a legend you become a legend”.
If the commentator says it then a big majority of the people hearing that will take it at face value. Just sort of illistrates the point that they (promoters, boxers, broadcasters) can dress it up any which way they please
I had the same reaction to the commentator.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
i also think that commentator had been working on that line for a month
on the off chance Jones lost.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hey. First post on a site I reguarly visit and enjoy. In regards to the commentator’s comments – “When you beat a legend, you become a legend”, this quote came from Benard Hopkins when the Aussie media where trying to get Bernard involved in the pre-fight build up. Hopkins pretty much spent the whole interview slagging Green off, saying he’s beaten nobody of note and didn’t deserve any recognition. This is all fair coming from a true champ, just wanted to point out that the words actually came from Hopkins and the media just beat it up. Nobody over here is jumping the gun and calling Green a legend, although we would love to see him land a big name fight in the U.S.
By the way, Roy Jones is the best fighter to ever come down here, and regardless of the result, just having him here promoting the event has done and will do wonders for the sport in Australia. Would love to see more of it. Maybe someone to come down and shut Mundine up? :)
I don’t think it’s possible to shut Mundine up.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
I can't imagine Mundine ever facing another good fighter
At this point, he seems satisfied beating up on bums for fringe belts.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Jones wasn't one of Calzaghe's 7 best wins
Unless you know nothing about boxing and are just looking at the big names. Even guys like Eubank and Woodhall were better wins than old, shot Jones. I don’t think Jones losing affects him too much.
The Kessler loss is painful though.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I was just going to say that Eubank was a better win – damn! Calzaghe was like a threshing machine attached to Eubank via an short elastic rope in that fight. All over him like a cheap suit, he was
by FCF on Dec 2, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
One question that I haven't seen raised
What, if anything, can Green parlay this into?
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions
I for one would LOVE to see Green-Cloud
if another title shot is what he wants. However, the IBO is a pretty well recognized belt in Australia the best I can tell (as it is in South Africa as well), so he may already consider himself a legitimate titlist.
I have no doubt that Green could still make 175. There isn’t much available in terms of big money fights at cruiser (unless Adamek drops back down, but I’m not sure he’d be willing to travel to Australia for the payday). Green-Bika could be a fun fight that would do well in Australia.
Heck, maybe Green can cajole Hopkins into coming over to Australia. If they could afford to pay Roy $3 million to fight there, with Green probably becoming a household name after tonight’s win, then a Green fight might be the biggest money fight available for Hopkins.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Interesting
Australia: the land where washed up/nearly washed up fighters come for one last payday!
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder If the result will let all the air out of Hopkins balloon. Could make it dangerous for him tonight maybe? knowing that this fight means zero and will sort of be an anti climax now. It must be a factor in his motivation.
Possibly even get frustrated because of the disappointment of losing the big potential payday. Probably not because Hopkins is the consumate pro. but. . . .
Hopkins will take care of business
but he’s now left with no clear dance partner for a fight in early 2010.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions
as clear as it gets, IMO
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's not a PPV money maker though
and it seems that is what Hopkins wants for his swan song (who can blame him?)
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have the feeling Hopkins and Jones were both going to be disappointed when their Grumpy Old Men fight wasn’t a PPV money-maker either. Pavlik-Hopkins flopped. Frankly Hopkins isn’t a PPV fighter. Neither is Shane Mosley. Same deal — it’s not that they shouldn’t be on merit, just that they aren’t.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
I still think Jones - Hopkins
was still the best bet for Hopkins to cash in before he retired. Stupid Jones fanboys like myself would have plunked down the $65. :)
Anyhow, he could have fought Dawson anytime during his most recent layoff, and elected not to. I’m not sure he’s going to want to do it now (though I hope he will)
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
In which case, he needs to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather.
by FCF on Dec 2, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
though to be clear
I agree that is the fight he SHOULD take, and I wish he WOULD take.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
would be gigantic for Dawson's career
a win over Hopkins would certainly take him to the next level.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not
BHOP is a legend, it’d be terrible to see Yuri knock his head out of the ring.
by tichbou on Dec 2, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Koki Kameda
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I understand your hysteria
It’s painful to think about, the Talmudic Typhoon celebrating over a toothless Bernard Hopkins as he rests on the canvas. The emotional trauma from concussing Hopkins might have serious implications on Foreman’s career, so for everyones sake, lets hope this fight doesn’t go through. When I think of Bernard Hopkins in 10 years, I don’t want the image of him falling like a felled tree 20 seconds into the first round because he couldn’t handle Yuri’s ferocious fists.
by tichbou on Dec 2, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What the fuck have you been smokin on? I’ve never even seen Hopkins hurt in his career much less knocked out .And if he was gonna get knocked out,it wouldn’t be by a guy with no power like Foreman.
I've been smokin' on the truth my friend
Sure, Hopkins hasn’t been KOd, but he has never fought anyone with 1/10th the punching power as the Meshugganah Massacre, hell, no one has. No one is ready for what Yuri can bring. Sure, it would be a nice passing of the menorah, but it’s not worth risking BHOP’s safety.
by tichbou on Dec 2, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A guy with 8 fuckin knockouts is not going to stop one of the greatest legends of this era! Sorry! 8 knockouts!!! In 29 bouts! 8 knockouts!! It doesnt sound like a fighter who stops people too often. Please tell me ur joking!
Yuri is a mench
as a learned rabbi, the Haifa Hurricane knows that his hands are a lethal weapon that he should keep under wraps for the safety of others. However, against a legend like BHOP, the Krusher would have no choice but to splatter BHOP’s brains all over the press row. For the sake of bhop and his family, for the sake of Yuri’s psyche and for the sake of boxing fans ever, we can’t allow bhop to end his career by getting mangled by the Lion of Zion.
by tichbou on Dec 2, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Man what the shit? Is this the promo for all Yuri’s nicknames? He’s a very good boxer.Not at all as dangerous as ur hyping him up to be.
lol you need to search for the cotto-pacman live thread if you seriously don’t know what he’s doing
btw i think foreman should move up and fight wlad klitschKO
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Dec 2, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Ravishing Rabbi
has multiple nicknames. I just hope one of them isn’t “The X-cecutioner executioner.” You would have to be a sick sick man to watch an absolute legend like BHOP risk his well being and life at 44 years of age.
I like this thing that you’re doing, down playing the seismic skull crushing power that the Semitic Slugger possess. It could be a funny meme, every time Yuri Foreman gets brought up, someone could ironically downplay his talents. Like when Yuri Foreman KOs Vitali and Wlad on the same night, you could come into the thread and be like “yeah, he’s a good boxer, but he isn’t that dangerous.”
My fear? When the rest of the world realizes how devastating the Purim Punisher is, people will start leaving the sport to avoid fighting him. Could you blame them? My solution? Make Yuri wear 48 ounce gloves. That would slow him down and maybe take some of the sting off of his shots. Granted, he’d still knock out mofos left and right, but at least they’d last a round or two.
spit soda on monitor
with “splatter BHOP’s brains over the press row.”
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope they show the Garcia fight to fill up the two hours.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If Roy is to continue fighting he NEEDS to learn to hold. The next person he fights will know he has little punch resistance and will come for him. Green does have power and i wasnt suprised it happened just how it happened and when. I was thinking towards the later rounds with RJJ slowing down but on the first semi decent shot to land??
The stoppage was good for me. After RJJ managed to hold he wobbled back and then went into a shell straight away. If he had his legs when he went backwards and showed he was ok i wouldn’t of minded him covering up like that but he was dazzed and stationary.
Hopkins should fight Chad. They are clear no. 1 and 2. Give Chad the chance to step up. If he beats him that will be little time to maybe take on someone to get the final big pay day. Everyone knows he isnt a big ppv draw so do important fights and cash in what you can
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