Report: Pacquiao doesn't want to fight until September
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 4:47 PM EST
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Reports out of the Philippines are that contrary to reports last night, Manny Pacquiao is not willing to fight on March 13 or May 1 against Floyd Mayweather Jr. or anyone else. The Filipino superstar wants to wait until after the May elections in his home country before focusing on boxing again. That would likely put his next fight in September 2010.
Pacquiao's lawyer, Franklin Gacal, yesterday told The STAR that the reigning pound-for-pound champion has come to a decision the other night that his next fight will come after the May 10 elections.
"As of last night, Manny said he doesn't want to fight in April or even May. There will be no fight. Maybe it will come after the elections," said Gacal.
This is a bit of a bummer. I understand that Pacquiao has serious intents with a political career, but as a boxing fan I just want to see him in the ring, and we have to see him fight Mayweather. Floyd's ready to go. Manny apparently is not.
Should he wait until September as it now seems he will, that would be a 10-month layoff, and if Mayweather didn't fight in the interim, a year off for Floyd. I'd guess there'll be some sort of "stay sharp" fight for Floyd in the spring if this is the case, though.
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Booooo
Don’t they have an election every other year there? Or is it a parliamentary system? I remember he ran and lost a very short time ago, so I would think he could postpone things just a bit if this is what he really wants to do. Retire from boxing, THEN go into politics.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I know, I would have preferred that he go into politics post-retirement, but it is what it is.
I do prefer September to March though, to be honest. Getting it in March sort of felt like knowing you were getting a really great Christmas present but then you got it early and then didn’t have anything more to look forward to on Christmas.
I do not think Pacquiao would have been prepared, physically or mentally for a March 13 date. Pacquiao dominated against Cotto, yes, but he took his share of punishment. I doubt he’d be training at 100% by January. I would pick Mayweather to win, fairly easily in March.
Plus, there’s the issue of tactics too. As great as Pacman looked, he showed some serious holes in his game that would suit Floyd perfectly. Too many quick jabs got for Cotto, and when Cotto started to move, Pacquiao looked frustrated, and completely clueless of how to cut-off the ring. These are things that could be worked on in that span of time between now and September.
You think?
I thought most of Manny’s frustrated looks were more along the lines of “uh, ref, do I really have to chase this guy down and beat him down some more, or will you just go ahead and stop the fight?” I think if he would’ve needed to score, he would’ve done so easily.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
My feelings can be summed up thusly
AAAARARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
Bummer
This goes way in the opposite end from my concerns earlier of Pac fighting again too quick. September seems ages away. Just when there was so much good momentum.
Another reason never to trust lawyers
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 2, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thats why i was a little skeptical about everyone (not just here, but across the fb/twitter universe) about the whole ‘floyd agreed to terms’ deal. It was after manny already announced his congressional bid. now it seems floyd can say that manny doesnt want to fight him. and the game will continue on and on.
with that said, i really really want to see this fight. if not in march, then in september. whenever, i just really want to see this fight period.
Not doesn't....can't
So after it was mentioned that there may be some legal issues with Pacquiao and fighting during the election cycle I looked into it. If this fight is aired on the government-run television, it must be for free. And the problem with that is that according to the omnibus election code, the government must give candidates equal time and prominence. Basically it would be impossible to give the other candidate equal prominence and therefore the fight would be blacked-out in the Philippines except for fancy TV. Pac doesn’t want to do that to the people of the Philippines, so that is the main reason this fight is being postponed. Also if he is serious about this political ambitions, he would be severely distracted in training camp.
Link if you wnat to look over it
Here is the link if you want to look over it yourself. Save yourself some trouble and just skip to Sec 85 and 86. I mean unless its getting late and you want a way to fall asleep….
Don't they usually air Pacquiao's fights in movie theaters rather than on TV anyway?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think its still gov-sponsored….so it still is a problem. However, this would be the time to ask one of the thousands of pinoys on the website how that actually works, cause honestly I have no idea.
the campaign period in Philippine elections
It is from January, 2010 until May 10, 2010 (election day). What this essentially means is that Pacquiao’s movie, his TV series (titled, “Show Me Da Manny”), and the AM/FM airtime for his songs has to be pulled out during that period, because it is essentially “free airtime”, and therefore gives an unfair advantage to Pacquiao as a candidate.
Waldo, the equal airtime clause doesn’t just apply to government stations, it also applies to any other media outlet, EXCEPT for news outlets reporting news events. The regulation with regards to government stations is given special mention, though, since incumbents regularly airs “infomercials” through these stations, which is illegal during the campaign period.
I can go on and on, since I do volunteer work for an organization that advocates honest and free elections in the Philippines, but I think this just about covers it.
The fights are shown live in the theaters, as well as in some bars or restaurants.
There’s a delayed telecast shown on free TV that I think is an hour behind. I’m not sure how late it is because it airs with the local commentators, and I avoid it at all costs. Totally biased commentating doesn’t sit well with me. There is also another delayed telecast (around 2 hours behind) shown on one of the cable channels – this one could be either the HBO broadcast, or a European one. With either of the delayed shows, you can expect more than 5 minutes of commercials for every round of boxing.
Oh, and I think you can get a live audio feed of the fight on AM radio.
Floyd can always fight Mosley in the interim. If he can shutout/knockout Mosley, he should get back a 55/45 split at the very least.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 2, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions
Not sure
Mosley can’t fight Berto and PBF, and leave PBF with enough time to fight Manny in September, I wouldn’t think.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
they’d probably have to push the september fight forward, but unless Mosley has a lot of trouble with Berto, I think he’d take the fight on a short rest. He’s been resting and calling people out for 12 months.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 2, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m only a little upset about the timing, and much more upset about having to listen to Rollerboy’s “He ducking me!:” blabber for the next 9+ months. If he’s serious about politics AND serious about getting out of the fight game sooner than later, it really might serve both of his purposes to go for March, but the man has every right to control every part of his own destiny now.
But seriously, Pac-man, if you knocked out Mayweather, do you really think you’d even have to campaign to win a landslide?:)
And if he’s gonna be distracted in training camp, then this is how it has to be. If only we hadn’t gotten our hopes up. (And if only this didn’t have me half-thinking that Mayweather- M. Hatton in April could be the result of the delay.)
True, but
as a huge Manny fan and a ***CONFIRMED*** member of the PBF Hater Club, this isn’t on Floyd and I’m not going to get angry when he runs his mouth about Manny ducking him. It probably isn’t true, but he did what he needed to do to make the fight.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be pissed if he doesn't run his mouth
He needs to maintain his image as the bad guy, and having Manny being difficult will fade the lines between white and black. Evil needs to reassert himself as evil and say something like ‘I told him to postpone the bout. I don’t want no excuses like being distracted when I beat his ass. Roach needs more time to find the kink in the armor, but there aren’t any! I need some time to warm up my ass-whooping hands!’
This is ridiculous.
The guy is neither a singer nor an actor nor a politician. He’s a boxer. All else flows from that. I don’t mind him having outside pursuits – he’s obviously an intellectually curious guy – but when they start interfering with where his singular talent lies, he’s getting his priorities ass-backwards.
Plenty of time for a political career after the fight career is over. Sign the deal. Get in for congress on the next election cycle.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 2, 2009 5:34 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think it’s so much that he thinks he can sing or act as he is capitalizing on his star power. He uses the money and visibility to make a difference in the Philippines. The logical end of that pursuit would be to find a place in government where he can help his people directly.
It’s as though you’re complaining that Bill Gates is a businessman, and he shouldn’t put a Microsoft deal on hold so that he can secure a contract for AIDS relief for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 2, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a boxer.
he’s getting his priorities ass-backwards
Well it’s his life. If he would rather be a politician than a boxer then that’s absolutely his choice and I don’t feel we have much right to be angry about it. Sure, as a fan, it’s frustrating because of the massive opportunity in this fight but realistically I don’t think him wanting to run for election now deserves too much criticism.
However it seems like he is being a bit silly to me. He can run for election in two years time with more experience and, having finished his fight career dramatically, with even more respect than the collosal amount he has now.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 3, 2009 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
Luis Collazo would make a ton of sense as a tune up
Much more so than anyone else I can think of. Legit fighter without too much pop, but a quick southpaw who comes at you from lots of angles and poses nearly zero threat of actually winning.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
PPV, or non-PPV?
Not sure that be much of a seller, but then again, PBF made something out of (what I think was) nothing with the JMM fight. JMM >>>>> Collazo, though.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Quick readjustment to my master plan
Step 1) Krush Santos (kompleted)
2) Krush PacMan PBF in a warm up match
3) Krush PacMan in a mega ppv
4) YURI FOREMAN P4P CHAMP
this schtick does not get old
lol
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 2, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I could give it a break
but then with the nonsense about a PacMan-LoZ fight…
just when i think i’m out they pull me back in
WTF is wrong with you, Manny? You have your whole life to run for office! You can only box for a few more years!
by taco pal on Dec 2, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think the underlying point that alot of people are missing is that Manny is running for office, sure for his own ego points, but more importantly to help the people in his province out. He’s been doin it in the ways he could the past couple years (handing out money, providing food, etc.), and wants to be the official person who decides what happens within his province.
Now im not saying he’s the best person to do the job, but he’s committed, thats for damn sure, and who are we to say don’t try to help your hometown people out? You don’t have to be politically talented to be helpful.
As for boxing being a more helpful tool for his people than politics… well, that’s a whole nother discussion there.
I’m sure he can helpful in important voluntary ways without the need to be elected. I’m skeptical of his political credentials but I really know very little about Pinoy politics so maybe he’ll surprise us and be great. Still does he really seem the type capable of good administration and decision making? It’s already been said but it bears repeating; Micheal Koncz.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 3, 2009 5:17 AM EST up reply actions
Pacquiao will lose.. AGAIN..
he’s wasting money listening to the whispers of stupid advisers saying that the best way for him to help people is to be a politician..
uhh Manny, you’re a boxer, who’s not qualified to run.. if you want to help the masses more, start/join a non profit organization or something.. don’t run for congress all that will do is ruin our country, make even more leeches stick on you, and make more people use you for political gain..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 2, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
if he doesn't lose...
God help our (or my) country..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 2, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
1. Manny has a real estate venture in GenSan to promote employment.
2. Manny has a foundations to help people, not to mention the unofficial medical missions he sponsors.
3. Manny hangs out with political sharks to get into the fast lane where politics is involved, though to his credit, he has gone for congressman instead of senator (he’s a shoo-in for senator, but he’s willing to start small and try for the harder local position against Chiongbian, a wily local operator).
4. Manny gives the time of day to everyone he meets, be they the ordinary man on the street or the president of the Philippines.
Granted, I have a great deal of reservations myself about the things he is attempting to do – I would even go so far as to almost agree with you that he’s in the losing end in many of his efforts. But you can’t fault him for going for hard fights, inside or outside the ring.
1-2. Good, stick to that.. He can help more people there.
3. No he’s not a shoo-in for Senator.. and him choosing to run only for congress doesn’t make him any more qualified for either position..
4. I don’t doubt Manny’s heart and willingness to help people.. BUT he shouldn’t be doing that in politics.. The bottom line is, He wouldn’t know half the shit of what he has to do, and MORE people will just take advantage of him there. HE JUST ISN’T QUALIFIED.
Manny is a really nice guy, and he has a hugeee heart, and loves to help people.. but that is also the reason a lot of people are taking advantage of him.. that’s also the same reason why he’s willing to trust people even when it isn’t right anymore..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
Let's just put it this way
He’s not the boxer I think would make the best politician. That’s probably Vitali Klitschko, and he’s already been defeated in his own political pursuits, and seems to have the good sense to not fight and politic at the same time. But he’s not even the 10th or 20th boxer I’d most want to see as a politician. With his inability to say no to anyone, I can just see him getting caught up in all kinds of corruption scandals, probably unwittingly. And frankly, he doesn’t seem like the sharpest tool in the shed either.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And frankly, he doesn’t seem like the sharpest tool in the shed either.
I’m glad you said it because I have often thought it!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 3, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Principled differences
From a purely legal perspective, and I am prepared to debate this with you – he is qualified, except for president, because of his age. I know my Philippine Constitution really well, and as an advocate for clean and honest elections AND people empowerment, I defend that proposition the same way I tell ordinary people (farmers, laborers, teachers, etc.) that they can run for any political position they like. The opposite idea is elitist and anti-egalitarian, promotes differences in classes in Philippine society, and surprisingly enough, most people in the lower classes in the Philippines agree with.
Everything else, my only comment is that I simply disagree with you. Peace!
I know he is qualified "technically".. that's why he is running..
duh…you just missed the point.. We wouldn’t have this conversation if he wasn’t allowed to run right?
my point was, he doesn’t have the background, the know how, or the experience to be a good congressman/governor/any other political position he may want to run for..that’s what i meant about him not being “qualified”.. if you wanna go technical, then sure he can run… doesn’t mean he should, because… well, the several reasons should be obvious..
If you want to support/vote for him to be a congressman, no one is stopping you.. If you think he’ll be a great politician, again, that’s your opinion.. I, and a lot of others, simply think he won’t be a good one..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Again, principled differences
No, you miss the point. I think you are one of those “intellectual” people (probably atenista), or at least someone who has influenced by them, who thinks the solution to the Philippine problem is education.
As I said in my earlier post (albeit indirectly), feel free to look down on Pacquiao and the other uneducated masses. The people who is looking up at you is not amused.
I'm not looking down on anyone..
If you want to put words in my mouth, or judge me without any basis, go ahead.. Cause what you said has nothing to do with anything I wrote.
and No, I’m not from Ateneo.. feel free to judge people without actually knowing anything about them.
You think I’m looking down on people but, it seems like it’s you who has biases towards certain kinds of people. Have fun with that. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I knew Pacquiao had political aspirations, but I never thought Pacquiao was dumb enough to let his side hobbies get in the way of his career…a career that has taken off and he can really capitalize on now. I mean, how much longer doen Pacquiao have on top of the entire sport…1 year, 2 years? Then someone else will rise and Pacquiao can go do whatever he wants. But right now he is the man in boxing, and its just baffling that he would be willing to throw that away as soon as he got to the absolute top.
I’m still skeptical, though. Pacquiao has to be smart enough to know that opportunities in boxing like this fight do not come around very often.
Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!
I’m starting to think Manny doesn’t take his status as King of Boxing as seriously as we as fans would like him to. It sort of makes me wonder how good he’d be without all the other things he focuses on, from politics to his awful singing.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
As I read this I picture Manny just standing there smiling
“aaaaaa Many Pacquiao just wants to aaaaaaaaaa run for office and aaaaaa be good at everything.”
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You imagine Manny practicing his English as he makes this declaration to himself?
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 2, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
not practicing; that's how he talks.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I have no problem with him singing,
cause that’s harmless, and he does that for fun.. (even if it does sound awful).. but the politics? that shouldn’t happen. I would’ve thought that he learned his lesson the first time..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 3, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Did he not run for a very tough seat the first time? I thought it was very secure for the person who held it.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 3, 2009 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's running for the same seat
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Manny outside the ring
Manny Paquiao sees boxing as entertainment, pure and simple. He values it a lot because of how much happiness he is able to give to those who watch boxing. But his desire to help people is equally important to him, as evidenced by his business interests to promote employment in his immediate vicinity, his foundations to help Filipinos in need, and lastly, his politics to protect and align his humanitarian efforts in his homeland. My only reservation with what he is trying to do is that it is spread too thin, because he is trying to do things too much, too fast.
Pacquiao is on the fast track in everything he is trying to accomplish, much like the furious way he attacks in the boxing ring. Whatever you guys think, I wish him success, be it inside the ring, or outside of it.
Oh I wish him wonderful success in whatever he chooses to do. I think he’s a phenomenal person, not just a phenomenal boxer. As a boxing fan, I damn sure wish boxing was his only passion right now, but it isn’t, and I understand that.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Why did i have to be right about the contract?
Im little confused about one thing tho. He cant fight earlier because of the political reasons with it being a promotional thing. What is the time frame that he isn’t allowed to fight while running? And when would (if he gets voted in) he have the full time job of being in congress?
Surely his training will be held up if he has to help run a country
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
Pacquiao timeline...
If Pacquiao is serious about making a run for congress, he won’t be able to train, much less fight, until June 10, 2010. If Pacquiao has a really good chief of staff, he’ll be able to get enough time to do his business outside of Congress. That’s the way it is for legislators in the Philippines (it’s the executive positions such as mayors, governors, etc. that do politics full-time). So, the September, 2010 fight schedule sounds just right.
Cheers. Cant say im happy with his choice but it is his choice and he aint come into the ring anyless than 100% before. If i have to wait till Sep to see the fight every boxing fan wants to see then ill wait, and trust in the Pac-man
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
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