Roy Jones Jr. stopped in one, Bernard Hopkins wins in Philly
Ain't gonna be no rematch. (Or is there?)
Pretty much everybody already knew what happened in Australia earlier today, but if you somehow missed it all, Roy Jones Jr. was knocked out in the first round by heavy-handed Aussie Danny Green, who scored what may have been the most thrilling and maybe globally important victory in Australian boxing history.
With Jones (54-6, 40 KO) trying to use his speed and feel out Green early, Roy found himself trapped in the corner. It was then that Green (28-3, 25 KO) unleashed a big right hand, which thudded off of Jones' temple and put him on the mat. He was clearly on bad legs when he got up, but the fight continued. Jones covered himself up as Green pounced for the finish, and eventually, referee Howard John Foster had no choice but to stop the fight. Jones was hurt, not fighting back, and was finished.
So before Bernard Hopkins ever climbed into the ring in Philadelphia tonight, the 2010 rematch between the two living legends was off.
But Hopkins showed no signs of being let down, as he came out and routed Enrique Ornelas live on Versus from a frankly dead Liacouras Center in Philadelphia. Hopkins won on scores of 120-108, 119-109 and 118-110. Bad Left Hook scored it 119-109. It was a typical Hopkins performance, and dominant as expected.
After the fight, Hopkins shared his thoughts on the Jones loss in Australia, remarking, "You know what happens when you go over to Europe, that's why I would never go there." He argued that the fight was stopped too early, but Roy Jones himself had no problems with it. All Jones said after his fight was that he had no excuses. He lost. And that's the prevailing feeling. He lost. A 40-year old fighter of Jones' stature knows you can't just cover up like that and have referees let the fight go too long.
There was another interesting non-fight happening tonight, as Hopkins received the most overblown, ridiculous introduction in the history of boxing. That's neither here nor there, really, but it was truly absurd and must be heard.
So is the rematch off for sure?
Actually, it sounded to me like Hopkins was doing his best to hype Roy Jones Jr. as a still legitimate opponent, and like he still wants that fight to happen. Hopkins was attempting to "excuse" Roy's loss as something shady that happened in "Europe."
If they go ahead with Hopkins-Jones II as a pay-per-view event at this point, they're going to both be embarrassed by the buys the fight receives. Neither of them have drawn at all in recent years, and the last time both had major PPV fights, they went back-to-back with rotten buyrate performances, Hopkins against Kelly Pavlik in October 2008, and Jones against Joe Calzaghe the next month. I get the feeling that this rematch -- especially now -- is only for the biggest fans of both men, and I don't think there's a ton of those folks left. Hopkins has never really been any sort of major star, as great as he is, and Jones' most popular days are well in the past.
Either way, all congratulations to Danny Green for a win that probably won't get enough attention as a win for him. God knows I just spent the whole time talking mostly about Jones losing more than Green winning, and about a rematch that may or may not even happen now. And hats off to Bernard Hopkins for another dominant performance, a month and a half shy of his 45th birthday.
We'll have more on Roy Jones Jr. especially shortly.
On the Philly undercard:
- Junior welterweight prospect Danny Garcia shellacked veteran Enrique Colin, knocking him out in the second round. Garcia improved to 15-0 with his 10th stoppage.
- Featherweight prospect Derrick Wilson was upset in a four-rounder by professional opponent Guadalupe de Leon. Pretty decent little fight, but Wilson, 20, was less than impressive for certain. But with his youth, he has plenty of time to improve and bounce back.
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don’t think wilson will improve any. i know he’s young and all, but he’s just a wild swinger with no pop. iirc his KO stats were pathetic before the huerta fight on fight night club
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions
Tell Bernard.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He said America. Canada is in America. Grr.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 3, 2009 5:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. We know. But nobody ever calls Canadians “Americans.” Nobody calls Mexico “America” either.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Don't forget that Lennox is English
I mean, dude grew up in Canada at least part of the time. He KNOWS that Canada isn’t part of the U.S. He was referring to the continent, not the country.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If Hopkins really meant that
then it is truly brilliant. I’ve always wondered why the bushfires and kangaroos in Europe didn’t get enough press coverage in the US, tell ’em Bernard.
It’s been over since the third Tarver fight. Roy needs to smell the roses now. It’s done, finito, over. But like Al pacino said in Johnny Brasco, if it had to be somone, I’m glad it was nice guy Danny Green.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions
I have no problem with him still fighting.
He has made millions of dollars since the Tarver fight. He is doing something he loves so how are we to say its time to stop. There are people that clearly need to stop because they are putting them selves in danger by getting in the ring. Guys like Holyfield and Toney should not be fighting. And I am not saying that bc it might hurt them but what happens to the fighter that really hurts them. They will most likely be completely different fighters.
So to sum up if they seem to have their health and mind working they should fight as long as they want. If they clearly have health or mental problems they should be barred from fighting.
by TXroyal on Dec 3, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know where else to express this pet peeve so I’ll just do it here. In reaction to everyone having the Jones/Green fight “spoiled,” there is no such thing as a spoiler in terms of sporting results or news. Regardless of when it airs anywhere, it is sporting NEWS! If there is I am going to start writing angry letters to CNN for airing news stories before I am ready to watch them on my TV.
If there is I am going to start writing angry letters to CNN for airing news stories before I am ready to watch them on my TV.
It’s not the same thing. I don’t sit down and get excited to watch the news, nor is there a particular schedule for news stories. The Jones fight was scheduled on tape delay for a certain time for a while. It’s entertainment. Having the result ruined for you takes all the starch out of watching the fight.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I just can’t buy that. News is news regardless of television scheduling. Trying to suppress boxing news on a boxing web site for the sake of TV scheduling just seems ludicrous to me, especially given how easily and readily available a fight like that is to watch in the US as it airs or within an hour or so after. To your guys’ credit though it seemed to actually work as far as I can tell.
This is obviously no big deal in the overall scheme of things and does nothing to hurt my opinion of what is quickly becoming my go to boxing site in all of the web, but this is a pet peeve of mine and has been for a while.
I just can’t buy that. News is news regardless of television scheduling.
I know what you’re saying, but it really kills a fight. That was my only actual concern, my own enjoyment. It didn’t matter since Versus just led off with HEY ROY JONES LOST. STICK AROUND TO SEE ROY JONES LATER.
Trying to suppress boxing news on a boxing web site for the sake of TV scheduling just seems ludicrous to me, especially given how easily and readily available a fight like that is to watch in the US as it airs or within an hour or so after.
Not with this one as much as say, Abraham-Taylor in October or Klitschko-Johnson coming on 12/12. Australian fights are basically impossible for anyone in Australia to stream because (as I’ve gathered) their internet is too slow for it to work. And an hour or so after made it, you know, 4am east coast in the States.
To your guys’ credit though it seemed to actually work as far as I can tell.
Nah, we got hit. But what can you do? I do respect the fact that, as you said, it’s news, and it will be reported. I should have put up a SPOILERS post in the first place. In the future, that’ll be the plan. Then folks can talk early results as much as they want to as I go about my plans for the day avoiding boxing news. I was miffed at first, but whatever, really.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
By the way: considering that the whole Jones fight only lasted like one minute, couldn’t Versus have just gotten GBP to delay the start of the card by, like, ten minutes and shown the Jones fight first? That way, it could have “reported the news” through the broadcast instead of before it.
Someone probably thought of this already, but it just occurred to me now.
That’s what I was thinking. I kind of figured they’d lead off. Were Danny Garcia and Enrique Colin going to pitch a fit?
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Your right SC. All of today Ive been talking about how RJJ lost rather than Green winning. So to kick it off, where to now for Green? He beat a legend, but a faded one. He is still the same fighter he was a day ago but now he has a big name on his record and 1st round KO next to it. Cloud was talked about in another post
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
If he can still make 175 (and I have to think he can), there are good fights there. Cloud-Green could be a hoot.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
One thing probably worth mentioning
Is that in his interview, he did say he would be the heavyweight champion of the world in 2010. It’s probably talk more than anything, but might this mean he’s targeting Haye?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Big letdown, wanted to see em both tested but hey, Roy’s got zero punch resistance and Danny DOES have a BIG right hand. He should fight at 175, he’s no CW. He looked a solid LHW in the ring last night. Yeah Cloud’s the fight I’m lookin for, that’d be a slugfest. Aussie LW Will Tomlinson 10-0 10 KO’s, looked sharp on the undercard, KO’d Verquan Kimborough in the 3rd. I’m hearing that Roy is still keen on the Hops rematch – “one last fight for the fans….”
Nice right hand it was too. Short, fast, paralysing. Will’s developing into a balanced fighter. Good luck to him.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
spoilers
You said no spoilers referring to the Jones Green fight. I stayed off all the boxing sites so I would watch the fight “live” on vs. What does the announcers do! Tell us the outcome at the start of the broadcast. What a sucker I was yesterday. No more. When a fight is fought, I will find out the winner even if the fights just on a time delayed basis. I was looking forward to seeing the fight, but no Vs. spoiled the fight first.
Yeah, that was weird. I mean Roy was a big draw for people to actually watch that show in the first place. I kind of wonder how many people heard that at the lead and went, “He lost? Bleh,” and just changed the channel.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

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