Pavlik wants Williams but will fight Sturm
by Scott Christ on Dec 21, 2009 11:05 AM EST
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Reigning middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik seems to badly want a fight with Paul Williams, but is willing to "settle" for a bout with WBA middleweight titlist Felix Sturm if he can't get Williams in the ring. Joe Scalzo at the Pavlik-lovin' Vindicator has the quotes:
"If we can't get Williams, I definitely want Sturm, but right now I think Williams is definitely the better fight," Pavlik said. "I think that's the fight that the fans want to see. That's the fight that I want."
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"I’m definitely back," he said. "We’re not going to have another layoff like that.
"We got the job done and now it’s a kick-start to 2010. We’re going to take care of all the big names again and make that statement again and get back on top."
Whether or not Pavlik is "back" isn't really the point right now, but after watching the fight, I'd have to agree with everyone else -- Pavlik, Jack Loew, Miguel Espino, Espino's trainer -- that Kelly was not particularly good on Saturday. The layoff, the injury, all that played a part. Espino wasn't really ever in the fight, but he was really courageous and he went out there to shock the world. In the end (and at the beginning, and in the middle), Pavlik was just too strong for him.
Pavlik-Williams is a really interesting fight and is absolutely what everyone wants. That's the fight the fans want to see, because even if you had strong feelings about who would win and why, it's now become an issue more than just a good fight. They've got a score to settle.
Pavlik-Sturm, on the other hand, barely interests me much at all. HBO lowballed an offer for that fight earlier this year because the network wasn't particularly thrilled about the idea. Sturm has next to no name in the States, only known for a controversial fight against Oscar de la Hoya that happened over five years ago. Even if Pavlik isn't quite what he was cracked up to be when he dethroned Jermain Taylor, I'm 100% confident he beats up on Sturm. The idea of unification is fine and dandy, but Pavlik's already the legit champion and one of the sanctioning bodies would just strip him anyway.
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Pavlik-Williams
Well Kelly left NO doubt that the proclaimed most avoided Williams is who he wants. Arum is on board with that as well, after the fight he stated “theres a boy in Youngstown that WANTS to fight you”. So now that KP’s hand is healed, there should be no obstacles to making this fight happen. Unless Team Williams price themselves out of it, they won’t make more money anywhere else,..this is the fight we all want, P-Will said he wanted it, Kelly said he wanted it. Make it happen!! Peace!!
Right, and Arum said they would give Punisher the same offer.
That makes sense. I’ll go off and fight Sergio Martinez in a FOTY candidate. You go knock out Espino in 5. Then we’ll get back together and split the money the same way we would have before.
Said it in another thread: Arum needs to reduce the amount of crack he is smoking.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sturm ain't gonna happen
Sturm’s trying ot leave Universum, and Universum has one of its fighters lined up as Sturm’s mandatory. With Sturm in contractual limbo, no promoter in their right mind will deal with him without getting Universum to sign off first, and rather than having Sturm lose to a non-Universum fighter, they’d rather try to keep the belt in the family and have him fight Golovkin instead. I’m pretty confident that Golovkin would beat Sturm, and if you think Pavlik-Sturm will drum up no interest, imagine what HBO would say about the prospect of Pavlik-Golovkin. To the American public, Golovkin might as well be Miguel Espino, even if he’d actually be a live underdog.
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Rebuttal!!!!
Just because Pavlik’s team says “we want it” does not necessary mean, they ACTUALLY want it! They said they wanted Abraham,….then they said he priiced himself out….; they said they wanted Paul Williams, then cancelled 3 times ….just to fight a tomato-can, or beer-can 2 weeks later, and they publicly “accused” PW for cancelling the fight. That, itself is already an evidence of a deceitful team. We all saw Pavliks hands during weighing: there were no scars!!!! How can a staph infection so severe disappear within 2 weeks without a TRACE?
I suspect this fight is not going to happen. I suspect team Pavlik, who is feeling the pressure from the public, is using a ploy; and ultimately will declare that Paul Williams priced himself out! They are already preparing the ground to fight ….Sturm, then Manfredo?
We saw how the negotiation went “openly” between mayweather and Pacquio, via both promoters and representatives movements….Team Pavlik, if you are serious, then we should have a certain level of transparency.
Iron Beach, we know you are more than a Pavlik fan, stop preparing the opinion about the fight not happening! You said the same thing when Abraham was breathing at pavlik’s neck…..At least alter your tune….
by Supreme Court on Dec 21, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
The only ones I see buying Pavlik’s BS at this point are Top Rank.
And the thing nobody mentions is that Arum said himself in August that Kelly was missing doc appointments. But now anybody who questions Pavlik’s handling of the injury is a “moron.”
Also, Rafael needs to get off of Pavlik and Arum’s nuts.
That is all.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Staph infection
I had a very bad staph infection on my ankle earlier this year. Besides being vary scary, it looked REAL BAD. Anyway, after two weeks of heavy duty anti-biotics, you could not tell how bad the ankle had previously looked. It healed completely.
Ring Magazine showed Pavlik’s hands with the staph infection. My ankle looked way worse. People starting choking when they saw it. And now it’s gone.
by FrankinDallas on Dec 21, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
If Pavlik ever fights Williams, I’ll be totally amazed. Sturm is his perfect oppponent. The Espino mismacth was a disgrace.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions
The “ducking” storyline on Pavlik just doesn’t pass the smell test. When guys duck, they don’t actually agree on the fight and finalize all the terms and then back out. The way you duck someone is by ignoring them so observers don’t notice it as much. A lot of people are being way too gullible about the Williams camp’s trash talk (which, to be clear, I don’t blame it for – it hypes up the fight and it’s what they have to do). Boxing people act like businessmen, not like pro wrestlers.
by taco pal on Dec 21, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
rec’d
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 21, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
DiBella, who knows more about boxing than you do, said he had Martinez in the gym training for a lefty the whole time PWill/Pavlik was being announced and advertised because he never believed Pavlik was actually going to get in the ring with The Punisher.
If DiBella thinks he ducked him, I don’t think it’s “gullible” to believe it.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but that’s a really stupid argument. Lou DiBella may know a lot about boxing, but Lou DiBella is also an interested party. Do you really think he’s doing a neutral analysis, like a journalist? The guy is a salesman: his job is to make his fighter look good, and one way he does that is by making his fighter’s opponent look good. Relying on DiBella’s authority here makes about as much sense as quoting Dan Goossen or George Peterson, or for that matter Bob Arum. Given that DiBella is an interested party, his level of knowledge about the sport is an irrelevant consideration in assessing the accuracy of his comments on a matter pertaining to his own fighter.
Also, even in the off-chance DiBella told the truth about expecting Martinez to get the Williams fight, we still have no way of believing he has an accurate read on Pavlik’s mindset. I don’t see how his expertise in the sport of boxing would enable him to be any more of a mindreader than I am. What he may have had is inside information into Pavlik’s medical condition. Of course, if that were the case, it would still have been in his interest to say that the medical condition wasn’t real, for the reasons I already explained above.
In short, it’s just as gullible to believe DiBella’s word on this issue as it is to believe the Williams camp’s. And for the same reasons. This shouldn’t be that hard to understand.
DiBella is an interested party.
So is Pavlik and so is Arum, as you point out. So whom one believes is largely a matter of taste.
Given that Arum himself said Pavlik was missing doctor’s appointments in August, I’ve decided to believe that Pavlik is not handling his career with a great deal of professionalism, and that he never had any intention of ducking PWill.
It’s a demonstrable fact that DiBella had Martinez sparring against lefties. You posit this may be because he had inside info of Pavlik’s injury. But if even Pavlik had every intention of going through with the fight, and didn’t know it was impossible he would be able to until actually canceling it, what inside injury info could DiBell have had? The only thing that DiBella could have known is what is obvious to the rest of the boxing public (aside from you): Pavlik, despite his bluster, does not want to stand across the ring from PWill.
In short, your arguments don’t make any sense. Insiders in boxing made the bet that Pavlik would pull out, he did, and it paid off for them with a well prepped Sergio Martinez giving a fight of the night performance.
What that says about Pavlik I leave to your own interpretation.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it.
If Palvik wanted the fight he could have just went through with the fight. Everyone can see that by taking a fight just two weeks later that it was not the hand, it was that he had doubts as to if he was going to win and he got scared. Magically the hand is fine to fight a chump but to fight a real contender for more money the hand needs more time. Palvik is a sucka and I would have had more respect for him if he had fought Williams and lost than to take a fight two weeks later against another guy who has no chance to beat him.
DLE has the beat
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 21, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
well to be fair two weeks
is enough time for a staph infection to go from nearly healed to healed. And I don’t really see too much wrong in taking a tune up after ten months of inactivity. Obviously I would much rather that the fight with Williams had happened and I was annoyed by Pavlik jerking Williams around a bit with his cancellations. However I still don’t really see it as Pavlik ducking anyone, rather a difficult situation being handled very badly by him and his team, and leading to Williams going elsewhere.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 21, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Pavlik
Do you actually want to fight Williams? Then take a pay cut and prove it to the world. You need Williams, but with his performance over Martinez, Williams now does not need you. You are in a poor bargaining stance, and your stock is at an all-time low while it could be argued that Williams is at an all-time high. Pay cut or scrub fight, those are your two options Pavlik….don’t f__k this one up.
You need Williams, but with his performance over Martinez, Williams now does not need you.
I’m honestly all for people doubting the Pavlik claims at this point (not that I think he’s a bad guy, really, but it’s reasonable), but Paul Williams still has no potential opponent with whom he can make as much money as he will against Kelly Pavlik. Who’s he going to fight? Martinez again?
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by Scott Christ on Dec 21, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Martinez again
HBO would buy that in an instant. However, who could Pavlik fight, realistically, to generate that type of buzz besides Williams? Bute maybe if he wants to move up to super middleweight but thats about it. Pavlik Martinez maybe? Its true that the best money option is Pavlik, but I was making the point that unlike before, Pavlik isn’t the only option for Williams.
Not the 'buzz'
But he could always fight Winky, and that would probably make as much money as Pavlik-Williams.
Another fight or two like the Martinez one, and Williams might finally build himself up enough of a fanbase to fight whoever he wants.
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Yeah, Kelly could fight Martinez, or he could fight Winky. Really who’s Paul going to fight? There’s NOBODY worth money at 154, and the only known middleweight in America he could realistically fight is Pavlik. Pavlik-Williams is the fight for both guys. I’d be all for Paul-Sergio II, don’t get me wrong, but the way this has played out, Kelly and Paul gotta fight each other.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 21, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Splittin' the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’m just sayin’ ya’ know P-Will does NOT have a title at any of the 3 weight classes he claims to able to fight at. Kelly Pavlik holds 2 titles, now it would not take a genius to figure out who gets the bigger slice of the $$$$$. P-Will can make a mandatory challenge to Pavliks titles, if they can’t agree it goes to purse bid. Pavlik stated publicly, I want YOU. Looks like Team Williams has to either fish or cut bait. Peace!!
Last three fights
Pavilk:
Got destroyed by Hopkins
Beat Rubio to defend the nonsense belts
Beat Espino to defend nonsense belts
Williams:
TKO’d Verno Phillips for a jr middleweight belt
Looked good against the defensive Winky (Who looks good against winky)
FOTY candidate fight with Martinez
Don’t seriously try to convince me that Pavlik deserves more money because he has belts. Williams won the WBO belt at welterweight and jr middle, while having the grand total of 2 fights at middleweight. Williams recent resume is embarrassingly better than the split he is going to settle for.
by waldo47 on Dec 21, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Waldo47 has the beat
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 21, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Good god.
Waldo putting in work. G’head, Waldo. Get some.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
A belt is only as good
as the people who challenge for it.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 21, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Belts have very little to do with economics
Ricky Hatton doesn’t hold any belts, and Timothy Bradley should hold two, but guess who would get the lion’s share if the two fought?
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Rebuttal!
Taco pal: you described one method of “ducking”, then you want us to believe that it is the ONLY possible way of ducking….Right?
Iron Beach: Waldo47 has already countered your “Pavlik the Champ-Draw” recycled catch phrase. I would like to point this: Paul Williams is a top 3-5 p4p, whereas Pavlik is a top 149 p4p, the 150th rank beeing Espino…
To ice the cake, Pavlik drew 3,409 fans in his last “2 belts defense”, the number of ppvs generated from the Espino fight is kept as secretly as the manless-drone-program in the Warazistan region….
I get the feeling that English isn’t your first language, which is fine, but I have to confess that I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. What I described was not a “method” of ducking. There really isn’t any “method” involved in ducking another fighter – you don’t really have to do anything to duck someone other than tell him no. What I was describing was evidence that might reveal a person’s motivation. In this case, nobody was forcing Pavlik to fight Williams, there was no sanctioning body ordering it and it wasn’t even a particularly hyped-up fight in boxing circles before it was announced. So if Pavlik didn’t want to fight Williams, he didn’t have to do anything to avoid him. The only reason why it even looks like he avoided Williams is because of actions that Pavlik himself had previously taken, of his own free will, to set up the fight in the first place. To look at that set of facts and draw the conclusion that Pavlik is scared just isn’t logical.
Does that mean it isn’t “possible”? I suppose not. Sometimes people do crazy illogical sh*t. But just because something is “possible” doesn’t make it plausible and it certainly doesn’t make it likely. Just because you can think up some hypothetical scenario where your conclusion could be right doesn’t mean you have a good reason for advocating it.
by taco pal on Dec 21, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“The only reason why it even looks like he avoided Williams is because of actions that Pavlik himself had previously taken, of his own free will, to set up the fight in the first place. To look at that set of facts and draw the conclusion that Pavlik is scared just isn’t logical.”
Rec’d. Well put.
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PPV #s from the card wouldn't be released until next weekend at the earliest anyway
Although I doubt they’ll release numbers. Arum almost never willingly does. The HBO PPVs get released because HBO releases the numbers.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Pavlik vs ??????????????
KP has the titles, KP has the name, KP has Arum. P-Will no title, P-Who, Promoter Who? The World Middleweight Champion,..sorry ‘bout you NOT be’in able to understand it, ..The Champ draws to $$$$$$. The last fights of each are NOT representitive of the fighters. P-Will hasd NO other fight that will pay him this much, nor does Kelly. So if it has to be a 60-40 in the Champs favor, as it should be , so be it. After all after P-Will KO’s Pavlik,..the boxing landscape at 147-154-160, belongs to him. If I’m managing Williams, and I’m so confident of his superiorty, I’m takin’ the shortest route to the TOP. Take a little less $$$$,..whup KP on HBO, show the WORLD, I’m the baddest man, just like my TEAM says. The $$$$ is all on you then, if they want it, they gotta’ go through you,.. or Kelly. Its on you Paul….ya’ want it? Peace!!
Promoter Who
“Hollywood” Dan Goossen. Promoter of Andre Ward, Cris Arreola, Edison Miranda, James Toney, and John Molina Jr. Dan is a decent dude and generally nice to me, so I’ll step up for him.
The World Middleweight Champion,..sorry ‘bout you NOT be’in able to understand it,
How is the Ring champion taking a fight with a guy who is barely top 50 in the Middleweight division remotely acceptable? Please defend your championship like a champion! He has one belt, the Ring belt, the rest are bullshit and so are the mandatory challengers.
So if it has to be a 60-40 in the Champs favor, as it should be , so be it
I think I made a solid argument why this shouldn’t be true. Williams resumé is solid, much better than the recent fights of Pavlik. If it could ever be made, this should be the fight where each fighter gets 45% and the remaining 10% goes to the winner. More fights should be done like this, but business instincts say that it will never happen.
If I’m managing Williams, and I’m so confident of his superiorty, I’m takin’ the shortest route to the TOP.
Rewarding Pavlik for Williams success pains me, but its the way things are going to be. That being said, Pavlik is a terrible matchup for Paul stylistically, but maybe Kelly isn’t as fast as Sergio and won’t hit Paul at will. But if he could take another fight that was only slightly less prestigious, he would take it. That is neither here or now, so he should really take the Pavlik fight, as bad as it is for him. Problem is that no one wants to fight a volume puncher with an 84" reach, at all, except for Sergio and Pavlik. Prestige and $$$ says go with Pavlik.
PAVLIK
Kelly Pavlik IS the CHAMP, no matter wether it pains you or not, wether it is something you can agree with or not, it IS a world wide fact. Ya’ want my title? Come and get it. Peace!!
Waldo is right
if no one decent has challenged the champion in over a year then any belt or championship doesn’t mean much.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 22, 2009 5:17 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Rubio was a top ten middleweight when Pavlik beat the snot out of him. That was more about the division being shallow.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 22, 2009 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
Look, Hopkins, Lockett, Rubio and Espino leaves something to be desired. Still, I see PW’ style made to order for KP’s straight stuff coming down the pike. I do not see the same thing if he were to fight Martinez. Styles make fights.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Typical Yank
Taco Pal: you react like the typical-average-joe-american, who is convinced that the World ends at the boundaries of the United States of America. In case you missed it, this www, meaning World Wide Web. Assuming that all posters here have english as first language is…..and I hate to say it….“MORONIC”. I speak and write one, two, three….four languages. English is the last i learned. Now, tell me about yourself….if you ave any pride left….
Regarding your rethorical reasoning. The variable “mind change” is absent from your empirical equation. Dont you believe human beeing are capable of changing their minds, due to a variety of reasons? What if Pavlik realized he was not fit for a class A fighter? What if the alleged distractions were true? Are you aware that the Paul Williams case is no longer an “off-type” case (for your information, off-type is a biological term). There were two precedents prior to P.W: A. Abrahams and Mora….All the above makes your rethorical reasoning vacuolar and embryonic….
I don't think he was trying to attack you personally
Just getting across that he wasn’t sure what your point was. Unlike certain other sites, we don’t tend to tolerate personal attacks and/or flaming too well.
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Thank God.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
"What if Pavlik realized he was not fit for a class A fighter?"
Errr….. what?
Pavlik was fit for Jermain Taylor, twice, and the Taylor that “beat” Hopkins (I still have a problem with that, but that’s by-the-by) was a better, more accomplished fighter (at middleweight) than Paul Williams. And I’m saying that as a massive Williams fan, I have him 3rd in my P4P list right now…
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
He means fit as in fit this month for Paul Williams. After seeing him against Espino, I think it’s a valid idea. He could beat Espino this month; Williams probably not.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Niche Champion
Iron Beach: Once upon a time there were Abrahams; Mora, and Now Paul Williams. Kelly Pavlik can say Abrahams priced himself out; P. Williams opted out, as many time as he likes, and proceed to fight tomato or beer-cans such as Locket, Rubio, Espino, likely manfredo and Sturm. At the end of the day, people outside Youngstown will conclude he is a Bum. He will be seen as the tribe champion. At the time when US boxing is struggling to stay relevant internationally, through the endeavours of fighters like Ward, Mosley, Mayweather, Paul Williams This Niche champion is fighting guys who did not win the Contender series. A guy who was not even second, not 3rd….not even 4th…This is how ridiculous it is!
HHmm. I forgot about AA and Mora.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Pavlik # Williams ain't happening
My prediction is that the Pavlik#Williams will not happen unless it is a mandatory fight. The clues lie on Pavlik’s demeanor: after his fight he tried to portray Paul Williams as the one responsible for the fight not happening, when they are the ones who officially cancelled the fight….Why not say: “my hands are healed, Paul, let’s do it”. The answer is: Pavlik and his team are preparing the public opinion….They want fans believe that if the fight doesnt happen, it would be because of Paul Williams. And that’s why you see many Pavlikpath wandering around the Network subtly injecting in the minds of people the idea that Paul Williams will price himself out….
We shall see
Truth is usually somewhere in the middle. After almost getting beaten by Martinez, I can’t imagine Paul’s team is giddy about the possibility of facing the #1 guy at 160, and a true middleweight to boot. On the other hand, Williams seems like as big of a threat to Pavlik as anyone out there. This is the kind of fight that only gets done if the money is right. Fortunately for us, there’s a possibility of it happening, since the other is likely each fighter’s best money option.
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Paul fights at ??
I’m not tellin’ Team Williams how to run the show BUT, if Paul wants Kelly and Pavlik team is ducking him,.. as some would have you believe, all they have to do is fight the #1 M/W contender and beat him. Now if you want to be the lineal M/W champ, a title held by Ketchel, SRR, LaMotta, Hagler, and Pavlik, and ya’ think you’re being ignored, set yourself up to fight the champ. Do it the old fashioned way, show everyone you are the #1 contender, the public will, and the sanctioning bodies will demand the champ fight you. Thats IF the champ is ducking you, I don’t think he is, some people just like to pretend, conspiracys abound in the minds of some,….I think it’s due to all those spy movies on TV. Peace!!
Do it the old fashioned way, show everyone you are the #1 contender, the public will, and the sanctioning bodies will demand the champ fight you.
So far the sanctioning bodies have demanded Pavlik fight Gary Lockett and Marco Antonio Rubio, so let’s not put any faith in them.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 22, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions
Winky was the top guy without a belt
and he beat him. What else do you want?
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Kelly is scared???
It will take a lot to convince me that Kelly KO Pavlik has any fear of Paul Williams, the same Kelly that went UP out of his division to fight a legend in Bernard Hopkins. It just does NOT make sense. Peace!!
Well as usual
there are to sides to that. A lot of people saw Hopkins as faded and too old and that he was unlikely to win.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 22, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
yes.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I;m not buying into the hype around this guy. People are acting like he walks on water, byr fighting Espinoi was no test. His last 4 bouts included, Hopkins (he lost), Lockett, Rubio and Espino. Hardley the stuff of legends.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions
People are acting like he walks on water
Who? The guys at his hometown newspaper are about the last people not grabbing a number to say he’s overrated.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
other sites
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions
Pavlik vs Mundine
Anthony Mundine has wanted a fight with Pavlik for some time,while the Australian doesn’t have the profile in the states of a Williams,he would give Pavlik plenty of trouble and I believe would beat him,he just needs a breakthrough fight to put him on the map,the Roy Jones camp will back this up.
Mundine vs Pavlik is the fight Australian fight fans want to see
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