The Story of Masamori Tokuyama / Chang Soo Hong
by Bad Left Hook on Dec 23, 2009 2:19 AM EST
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Ted Sares looks at the career of controversial, talented Masamori Tokuyama / Chang Soo Hong in his latest feature at Bad Left Hook.
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It's a shame for a Korean not to speak Korean fluently and so I have decided to dedicate myself to studying the Korean language after retirement...
--Tokuyama
My dream is to set up a ring on the 38th parallel and fight a title match there.
--Tokuyama
I received many threatening messages that hurt my feelings," he said. "But I also received many encouraging mails from fans. I just want to live as a Korean boxer in Japan.
--Tokuyama
This former WBC world super flyweight champion's ancestors are from a village in the northern part of the Korean Peninsula. They were taken to Japan as forced laborers during Japan's colonial occupation of the Korean Peninsula in the first half of the 20th century.
Tokuyama (Hong) flew under the radar because of his perceived pro-Pyongyang affiliation with North Korea. He was born in Japan and is a third generation Zainichi, just one of some 600,000 ethnic Koreans who reside in Japan. Koreans make up the largest ethnic minority group and most of the permanent foreign residents in the country. The majority of Koreans in Japan are known as Zainichi which is a Japanese word that means "staying in Japan." Zainichi Korean refers only to long term, permanent residents of Japan who have retained their South Korean nationalities.
Tokuyama used both his Japanese name (Masamori Tokuyama) and real name (Chang-soo Hong), while declaring that he was a Zainichi Korean. He often took political controversy inside the ring, carrying a North Korean flag in his entrances and wearing trunks labeled "One Korea." The shorts with an embroidered outline of the Korean peninsula became Hong's trademark, and fans were accustomed to his shouting of "Korea is one" after every bout. Adding fuel to his political leanings, he often used the North Korean national anthem as his entrance theme. Needless to say, such displays of ethnic pride did little for his career in South Korea.
However, in a stunning act of reversal in 2007 and reflecting the fact that deep down he really had little interest (or perhaps understanding) in the complex politics between South Korea and Stalinist North Korea, he changed his nationality to South Korean and is now studying the South Korean language in an attempt to shed any trace of a North Korean accent, a low-status marker that often holds back North Korean defectors.
His Ring Accomplishments
As for his great accomplishments in the ring, he won the WBC super flyweight title in August 2000 by beating then undefeated In-Joo Cho (18-0 coming in) and defended the title eight consecutive times before he was stopped by Japan's Katsushige Kwashima in June 2004. However, he avenged this defeat by beating Kwashima regaining his crown again in Japan. Curiously, his second win over In-Joo Cho was in Seoul, the only time he fought outside of Japan.
In February 2006, he retained the title with a unanimous decision over the very capable Jose Navarro (23-1 at the time). He relinquished his title after this fight and announced his retirement. But later, he said he would continue if he could fight Hozumi Hasegawa (then 19-2) for the WBC Bantamweight title. However, Hasegawa declined the challenge so Tokuyama, citing lack of motivation, remained retired. Finishing with a mark of 32-3-1.
A review of Masamori Tokuyama's opponents reveals some astonishing information. In addition to beating Katsushige Kawashima in two of three bouts, he also had wins over former world champion Dmitri "The Baby" Kirillov, former world champion Gerry "Fearless" Penalosa (twice), former world champion In-Joo Cho (twice), Pone Saengmorakot (19-1) for the vacant OPBF super flyweight title, and former world champion Hiroki Ioka. Some might say a case could be made for Hall of Fame induction, but then others might say that it would easier for a camel getting through the eye of a needle.
Hasegawa, meanwhile, remains WBC bantamweight title having defended his title nine straight times since winning it from Veeraphol Sahaprom in 2005.
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Hello, I’m join now. I’m Japanese & my English is poor.
“They were taken to Japan as forced laborers during Japan’s colonial occupation of the Korean Peninsula in the first half of the 20th century.”
In many time, these are claimed to be the truth. But in fact, this is error in fact or just propaganda. At that time, Japan & Korea was same nation, not colonial. Many Korean & biggest Korean political party wanna unite as same nation. At almost of case, Japan didn’t take Korean. Think it, Japan was rich in Asia, Korea was very very poor. Most of them were just illegal immigration. But these are sensitive political things & it become like taboo.
“his political leanings”
I think Tokuyama isn’t political leanings. He’s norrh Korean, but He’s always nice guy with ethic. Some say bad things just because his nationality & race. Some lie(Tokuyama quoted as saying) are there, but evidence never exists. Many Japanese like & respect him.
Tokuyama’s lack durability & power, don’t good at infighting. But if its in out range, his boxing ability is tremendous. I think he’s one of most talented out-fighter ever. If top boxers fight with ameteur style(3 Rounds), Tokuyama will keep winning against those top boxers. If Tokuyama still active now, he known by whole world core fan as rase of Asian boxer’s recognition.
Good to hear some input from a Japanese person
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Many thanks for you input, JBbofan. It was deeply appreciated.
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by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
At that time, Japan & Korea was same nation, not colonial.
Unfortunately, this is false. France and Algeria were also the “same nation” for a while too, so were Russia and Finland, and so were Great Britain and Ireland. That doesn’t change the fact that it was colonialism. In all of those cases, the reason why they were the “same nation” is that one nation invaded the other one and incorporated it into its own territory.
Here’s the relevant Wikipedia article. (Yes, Wikipedia is unreliable, but this article cites a lot of other sources, and you’ll find the same information in any good history textbook.)
Jboxfan’s comment is probably a result of the fact that, as is the case in a lot of countries that committed crimes in their past, the Japanese government and educational system have a policy of whitewashing everything they did to their neighbors during the first half of the 20th century. For instance, many Japanese students have never even heard of the Rape of Nanking. This happens over the world. There are parts of the U.S. where kids don’t learn about what happened to the Native Americans, or about our occupation of the Philippines. Some kids in the South are taught that the Civil War wasn’t really about slavery. But Japan is one of the worst offenders in the world as far as that goes.
by taco pal on Dec 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here’s an interview with Iris Chang, which goes into some detail on this subject. Chang was the author of the book The Rape of Nanking, which I once had to read in school. The book was a polemic and Chang was not a neutral observer by any means, but the factual points she makes are basically accurate.
Ws that the book by Moe Heyder?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
No, thatwas another and a chiller.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hadn’t heard of the book you mentioned, but I looked it up just now. The Chang book is a nonfiction book, not a novel. It’s worth a read, by the way, if you’re interested. Chang was a journalist, not a historian, and there’s some controversy about the accuracy of some parts of the book, but I think it’s generally agreed that the main points are accurate. It’s also very well written and a quick read.
Thanks. I am a voracious (spelling-?) reader and usually have about 15 books in inverntory to be read. Heyder, a female, is an author I like, but not all of her stuff is to my liking. Ken Bruen is my favorite. But I like a good many of authors. They are like veins of gold, once you disc0ver one, you read every thing he or she ever wrote. It’s great.I’ll check out Chang.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 25, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well you can actually make very convincing
arguments that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, and it would be incorrect to claim it was just about that single issue.
Historians like Foner (University of Colombia) lean heavily towards slavery being the main and root cause but he would also accept that there were other reasons the South went to war.
Disclaimer: No of course I don’t support slavery or the idea that the Confederates were in the right or anythign like that. Just in case I get jumped on here.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
Civil War and Slavery
The very convincing arguments about the Civil War and slavery all boil down, in the end, to slavery.
The economic argument: the plantation economy was dependent on slavery: thus conflicting economic needs still comes back to slavery.
The cultural argument: the Southern upper class culture evolved in the manner that it did because slavery specifically affected the upper class from cradle to grave.
The political argument: ‘States rights’ has some merit as a cause of the war, but the doctrine evolved as part of the South’s defense of slavery against Federal intervention. Indeed, slavery affected every aspect of the early US and its evolving government in ways that made the war inevitable.
One can’t separate slavery from the Civil War and attempts to do so, or to claim a broader base for the war, are fundamentally based on an incorrect premise: the idea that slavery itself was not the single greatest common factor in every single point of dispute between North and South. There was not a single point of contention unaffected by slavery.
The ‘right to secession’ argument is based on this same fallacy.
One can make an argument that, in a world without slavery, the Civil War may have happened anyway… but it is a subjective argument that requires speculative support. Slavery was the root cause of secession, even if one dismisses it as a direct cause itself, because it was the primary distinctive factor in all the other disagreements that led to the war. More importantly, one can’t dismiss it as a direct cause: secession was the specific result of a political party that campaigned on the issue ‘Slavery is bad’ winning a presidential election.
by The Boxing Geek on Dec 26, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't really want to get into it but...
The economic argument: the plantation economy was dependent on slavery: thus conflicting economic needs still comes back to slavery.
Not so. It is more likely that slavery actually harmed the Southern plantation economy and the economy of the Union as a whole. This is because although slavery was not unprofitable it was inefficient and went against the core capitalist principles of economic advancement.
Also it is important to remember that the South’s main economy was agrarian, as was the Norths which managed perfectly well as free soil land.The majority of arguments against slavery at the time were based around the damage it did to the the economy arather than its immorality. In the South very few politicians said that slavery was neccesary to the economy.
Also consider that the planatation economy existed prosperously after the war until the decline fot he textile industry.
slavery affected every aspect of the early US and its evolving government in ways that made the war inevitable.
this seems to me a far too sweeping statement. Slavery did not cause noticable sectional differences until the mid 19th century. Slavery died out in the North because the soil there was unsuited to plantations not becasue of anti-slavery feeling based on morality. Once the sectional conflict became really important in the 1840s and especially the 1850s this was because of the balance of power between slave and free states.
It is hard to support the idea thta the war was inevatible since before the mid 19th Century.
I do in fact believe that slavery was the root cause of the war but to say that this is clear or definite is to defy years of careful and meticulous historical analysis which arrived at this conclusion after considerable research.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 26, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
One more thing
secession was the specific result of a political party that campaigned on the issue ‘Slavery is bad’ winning a presidential election.
Lincoln was no abolitionist during his campaign and specifically said that he would not interfere with slavery where it existed. His election was indeed the last straw for many Southerners but that was becasue of their flawed perception of him (created by the media and politicians) as opposed to his actual campaign and beleifs.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 26, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’m staying clear of this……………way clear.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 26, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Lincoln was no abolitionist during his campaign and specifically said that he would not interfere with slavery where it existed.
Yes. His platform also included a pledge not to admit new slave states. The argument about whether Lincoln was an abolitionist or not is one that is academic at best. He was not a radical abolitionist. No. On the other hand, the entire ration de etre of the Republican Party was that slavery was a bad thing that needed to be ended. Radical abolitionists wanted immediate action. Moderates felt that a halt to the spread of slavery to new states would cause slavery to naturally phase out. Both wings of the party wanted it gone, the question was how much compromising they were willing to do. Lincoln was a politician from a state with a significant pro-Southern/pro-slavery voting bloc and sided with the moderates over the bulk of his career.
The pro-slavery forces believed exactly as the moderate Republicans: slave states had to grow at a ratio equal to free states for slavery to survive. This is why Southerners insisted so violently that new states legalize slavery during the mid-19th Century.
As for your longer post, it’s too long to rebut point by point on a boxing board. I will just say that the economic discussion of slavery as you posit it was not the overwhelming consensus of the South prior to the Civil War. The morality vs. economics argument regarding slavery is a very long discussion. I’m just going to respond to
I do in fact believe that slavery was the root cause of the war but to say that this is clear or definite is to defy years of careful and meticulous historical analysis which arrived at this conclusion after considerable research.
There is plenty of careful and meticulous historical analysis that argues that it is in fact clear and definite. James McPherson comes to mind and Kenneth M. Stampp precedes McPherson. Those are only two examples and both are highly respected historians whose work is referenced by their peers. The trouble with invoking ‘careful and meticulous historical analysis’ is that historians disagree as well. I find McPherson more convincing than some of the people to whom you are referencing.
by The Boxing Geek on Dec 26, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
William Marvel is quite an authority as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 26, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
McPherson is indeed excellent
No argument there!
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Good stuff Ted
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Thanks, Bric. I love to do stuff like this.
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by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
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by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Dollarbond weighs in
Ted, you are the master of extracting these kinds of articles. You also seem to be partial to Asian fighters Is that so? why?
I am partial to Asian fighters
Probably has to do with my having lived in Asia (Singapoer and Seoul) and having travelled extensivley in Asia.
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---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Chang Soo Hong
Ted your still the man when it comes to knowing and researching these fighters that most of us lay boxing enthusiest never heard of, Another great write Ted and I wouldn’t expect anything else from you, Keep up the good work Ted, We miss you at , east SB,
Thanks, buddy.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
sorry for long comment
“France and Algeria” “Russia and Finland” It’s different cace. At that time, Korea was completely insolvencies, though national budget was few. No industry/infrastructures/decent road, one of most poor country in the world, illiteracy was numerous & Chosun dynasty was nothing but bad. By anyone’s reckoning, nation can’t stand on their own.
So Korea’s intellectuals think that Korea should become other nation’s protected state. China, Russia, America, Japan was envisaged. Qing dynasty(China) ruled Korea for a long time & its reign was inexorable. Russia was hard to believe & huge indebted against Russia were there. If Mongoloid ruled by White Russian? It imagine fully. America may be better than Russia, but it’s another White country, they also totally banned Asian immigrant, it’s heavy race discrimination era. So finaly Korea choice Japan & Japan assumed Korea’s debt, Japan just think Korea is like breakwater of Russia(& pro-asia thought also exists). It’s a just such story, not hard to understand. But many revisionist are there, cuz Japan is easy target since after WW2. You better to understand about existence of Iljinhoe(biggest Korean political party, as I say)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iljinhoe
And better to understand why so many Taiwanesse approval Japan’s ruling before WW2. Japan’s ruling Korea & Taiwan is alike, huge investments(from health concern to heavy industry) were there, but Taiwan was colonial & Korea was same nation. And Japan’s ruling Korea was better than ruling-Taiwan. It becoming ‘pride’ issue. But some say “it’s(ruling other) bad for any reason”, it may be right.
“as is the case in a lot of countries that committed crimes in their past”
No.
“But Japan is one of the worst offenders in the world as far as that goes”
Never, what reason are there? If Japan is worst, America isn’t also worst?
sorry for long comment
In fact, Japan was one of most apologized country on many point. I also think Japan face off history squarely compared with world countries. Texstbook always say Japan did bad while WW2. You say “about our occupation of the Philippines”, America apologized it or Vietnam or many countries? Definitely no. Basicaly, I think Japan did so many bad things while WW2, I also think Japan should apologize to victim squarely. But fact is just fact, wrong perspective of history & propaganda are tehere in same time, its also in Japan(right wing). I beliave Nangking Masacre’ existence(though I think it wasn’t huge as China’s saying), but I never beliave Iris Chang. And Japan’s ruling Asia (exclude for China & Philippines) was better than Western countries’s ruling. For example, many Indonesian say so, while they hate Dutch’s ruling. It’s about comparison.
Basicaaly, world was like evil vs evil before WW2. Typical “rightness” isn’t exist. Though injustice & racism & worst system are still alive around whole world. So writer’s consciousness of Asia is so great. such like this helps world become more equity.
Adding, I don’t think Tokuyama is pro-Pyongyang(but some say so). He received medal of Honor by NK. But that is that. After retirement, he goes to South Korea as report say, so he’s pro-Seoul? no, he’s pro-korea & he like Japan(I really think so), He displayed One Korea flag, it’s just his pure thought. As an individual, he is ordinaly decent man. Sometime he appears on TV(but rarely), he looks fun, it’s great.
With all due respect, those sound to me like the same rationalizations used by all other colonizers including the French, British, and Russians: “They benefited economically from our takeover.” “There were collaborators who wanted us there.” “If we hadn’t done it, somebody even worse would have done it instead.” That is what they all say. The only difference is that in Japan, apparently, they are still saying it even in 2009.
Otherwise, I think the language barrier is getting in the way of this conversation, because I think you misunderstood my other points.
First, Rusia justify huge number of past fault every time. Le Pen & Front National had big influence in France, they justify Algeria War(they think Algeria is their land). British don’t apologized about slave trading & colonial issue, they even don’t(or rarely) describe Opium War in textbook(China has minority race issue like Tibet & Uighur, they don’t wanna get counter punch, so China never say about textbook’s Opium War issue, it’s worst ballanced). America invide Hawaii & Guam & many more(its totally different race). Of course they didn’t apologize. Perhaps almost American never think it as problem. Other countries are same, it’s like ‘so what?". And these are just camel’s nose.
So, “French, British, and Russians” & Japan is different case. Those 3 countries treated opponents countries & stripping asset. The other side, many Korean ppl wanna unite at that time, cuz almost ppl lived in worst poverty & never have future. Chosun dynasty dissipated national budget for their own, many concessions sold out against Russia & America & other with cheep money, while government bonds keep ballooning. They never wanna happiness of the ppl. They nuffed out & killed almost reformer, many of them supported by Japan’s voluntary helper. After unite, Japan It kept investing to Korea, so existence of Korea was in the red every year. Though western countrie’s rulling world countries was almost black figure historicaly. Even Park Chung-hee(most respected president in Korea) tald that “They(Japan) did impartially roughly”, See your linked article’s “Controversial statements regarding Japanese rule in Korea” corner(though Wiki isn’t correct many time. I think this article including some propaganda). They approval Japan’s ruling, such opnion increases at the academic society in Korea now. It called ‘new right", but its still minority. Many of them deny about such like Wiki’s note.(I just wanna watch fact, If I’m Korean, I think that I’ll think in a similar way)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule
You say about Nangking, it mentioned many time. It similar for Son My massacre & My Trach Massacre of Vietnam(although its after WW2, this is big point), but this is almost unmentioned. Korea’s act of Vietnam War was also crazy brutal, but this is never referred & many even don’t admit it as war crimes. 3 countries never apologized officialy & never confront squarely.
Historiography filled up with numerous of lie & pretender, cuz it decided by the winner or stong side or super power, cuz everyone don’t wanna be losing side & suit their schedule, isn’t it.
Great Article Ted Sares
Ted my man, another great article mate. Have a beautiful XMAS . Vlad ( Down Under )
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Dec 23, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions
You too, Vlad and a big holler out to JC40 AND GOATSNAKE AND THE REST OF THE LADS FROM DOWN UNDER.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Tokuyama is pro-Pyongyang either. I think he just got cuaght up in things and was used as a pawn until he wised up.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions
Censorship?
TED, It seems as though my criticizing Mr BrickHaus yesterday for stating that “it was unreasonable for Mayweather to request a Olympic-standard-drug test” warranted me a warning! Excuse me what did I say that was wrong, Mr manager?. The warning banner even mention insults…..What did I say that appear to be an insult? The banner goes on stating I should not post the same thing over and over……When did i do that? ( Mr manager can email me back at :josedago@live.ca).
It looks like censorship to me, if that was the case, you can cancel my membership: I am not addicted…
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
Go easy there, man. It’s the holiday season.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 25, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I merely dislike posturing about leaving and such like things.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I will buy you a spiked Egg Nog now—when we meet.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 25, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I look forward to it
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Where are you located? Believe it or not, but I have become great friends with some of the posters from the last site I wrote for. One fell who now posts here meets me once a month in Boston where we attend a great Veteran Boxers Group Luncheon in Dorchester. I’m a member and bring him along. We have a great time. Who is better to be around than a boxing junkie?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 25, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't me who warned you.
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I am here because of Ted Sares who is humble and smart enough to take one criticism with a smile, irony or sarcasm….
We don’t want you to leave Supreme Court. The thing is BLH is different from the other site in that its tolerance for flames, racism, and insults is a lot lower. I know you would never resort to those things, but it just takes a little getting used to and its diffrent from the intense hate that is exchanged in what you and I were used to. Just take it as it comes and get used to it; it is a much healthier environment. We need you here.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Calroid. I hope you are seeing where I was coming from a while back. I am darn happy to see my Canuck friends on here. Love to see T-bone, but he has to make his own decisions.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nice one Ted .Interesting .
Merry Christmas to all . ’Av a good ’un .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 24, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions
You da man!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Great Read Ted
In today’s dirth of hotly contested Heavyweight positioning…..folks who really love Boxing naturally gravitate to the lower weights.. Thanks for the great synopsis of an often overlooked Weight Class.
Bikermike, they don’t come any better than you, my man.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Same to you and yor mother, Droid.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 25, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Great article.
I think it very worth noting Masamori’s Hall of Fame credentials. He’s got better HOF chops than Ingemarr Johannsen or Barry McGuigan. The argument can be made that he was the best fighter, in his weight class, of his era. His two fights with Choo, alone, would merit his inclusion (coupled with the number of defenses he made and the length of his reigns, both impressive for a lighter fighter) as a HOFer.
by The Boxing Geek on Dec 26, 2009 8:33 AM EST reply actions
I agree and it’s great to see you here, Geek!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 26, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Edumacating Myself Thanks To The Bull
Great article on a fighter I knew nothing about . Great comments section too LMAO Discussions on the pros and cons of Japanese colonialism. Great to see Sir Jack, Vlad, Calroid , Biker Mike and Doc Mullen in the comments section. Class blokes one and all!
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