UPDATED: Pacquiao-Mayweather Off?
by Brickhaus on Dec 24, 2009 9:09 PM EST
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Multiple sources, including the Philippine Star, are now reporting that the superfight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. may be off for now.
"The plug is pulled. The fight is off as far as we’re concerned," said Arum who, however, said Pacquiao could start looking for a new opponent.
"Mayweather proves that he’s a coward and he’s looking for a way out of the fight. The Nevada commission has been doing drug testing for the last 40 years," said Arum.
"Takot talaga sa akin (He’s really scared of me)," was Pacquiao’s immediate reaction after negotiations for the blockbuster fight came to a screeching halt.
We'll see what happens. As reported earlier, this whole kerfuffle is over Floyd's demands to have Olympic-style drug testing. As I see it, this is really just one big game of chicken. On one hand, it looks bad that Pacquiao won't submit to testing if he actually is clean. On the other hand, it looks bad that Mayweather is demanding something that, as far as I know, has never been something required in a professional boxing match. Both sides seem to have some reasonable arguments here.
Who's going to blink? I find it hard to believe that both fighters are willing to leave a guaranteed $25 million (with kickers of up to $40 million) on the table over something so small. But for now, the fight gets some more free publicity, and the sports talk shows will have something to discuss during what's normally a slow time of the year.
UPDATE: Both sides are breaking out the heavy artillery for this one. Richard Schaffer has said that Pacquiao would need to have Olympic-style drug testing to face ANY Golden Boy fighter, which cuts out some other options for him, including Juan Manuel Marquez. Bob Arum has set a deadline of today to decide this issue or else the fight is "off." Of course, both of these are probably fairly hollow threats. If this fight really falls through, Golden Boy isn't going to walk away from huge money just because Mayweather (who's not even a Golden Boy fighter) is paranoid. And if Christmas comes and goes, and Mayweather changes his tune after getting imbued with the holiday spirit, Arum isn't going to tell him "Sorry, you missed the deadline, I don't actually want to make tens of millions of dollars anymore."
UPDATE #2: Bob Arum says the fight is off. Mark Vester says that Arum and Lou DiBella have started to negotiate Pacquiao against Paulie Malignaggi, still to be on the March 13 date. If that fight does go through, something tells me Dallas won't be an option for it. Still, I'll believe it when I see it. Fighters would probably need to start training around January 5 to have a fight on March 13. False deadlines aside, the parties really have until then to get something done.
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I guess it's good that the general public is talking about boxing...
But, as a fan, I just want to see the fight get made. Shame on all the parties involved if the fight doesn’t get made. I’m done arguing one side or another. I don’t care. Just make the fight.
I’m going to look forward to the fights that have been made, like Valero v Demarco. That’s is a very intriguing fight and I expect fireworks.
by AsianSensation on Dec 23, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i'm not sure what Mayweather's camp wants here
This fight will make Floyd a legend if he wins, it will put him up there with Leonard and Duran and Robinson as one of the great non-heavys in the history of boxing. Why does he seem intent on trying to get out of it?
And what if its off? Who does Floyd fight? Mosley or Berto? Margarito? Or does he payoff another lightweight to bulk up for a payday?
Come on Floyd! Get your “s” together, fight Pacquio, and turn yourself into a boxing legend.
I doubt Floyd would fight anyone as dangerous as Mosley or Berto
Even if the fight doesn’t come off now, it could still come off for September, and he wouldn’t take any fight that might jeopardize that happening in the future. On paper, Floyd has more options than Manny, but legitimately, either of them would only take a patsy right now if not each other.
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Disagree.
Pacquiao doesn’t fight patsies.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Dec 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hatton?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I don't often respond like this;
but seriously, pull your head out of your ass. If you think the consensus #1 140lb fighter was a patsy, then you must squeak going round corners.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Get your head out of Manny's ass
Hatton was a Pasty
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
You're obviously new here.
As well as being not particularly bright.
I am not, and have never been, a Manny PAcquaio ‘fan’.
Feel free to check this out with… er… ANYONE that has been on this site for more than 5 minutes.
Now, seriously, if you simply want to pour scorn on fighters like Hatton, who was only EVER beaten by the #1 P4P fighters in the world at the time of his losses, then piss off back to ESB, where your trolling is the norm.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
No I do not know if your a Manny fan, I do not look for Chaos100 comments
It’s what I feel about Hatton, I could be wrong.
ESB?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Eastside Boxing. Where disrespect is the norm.
I don’t feel I need to say any more. Your response below, agreeing with a post that disagrees with your own, pretty much proves I have no need to argue with you.
I bet the windows are all clean in your house, at least on the inside, right?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Never been on Eastside Boxing
Painting Hatton as a weak opponent is revisionist history and grossly unfair.
I agree with that.
Insults? I’m not going to keep discussing pasty’s with you if that’s all you want to do.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
LOL
So you agree with that, but that’s exactly what YOU did.
Moving on….
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Yup I think it's unfair because it is after the fact
but because it’s unfair doesn’t mean that I don’t feel that way.
Moving on…
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
So you think your own opinion is unfair?
Isn’t that tantamount to disagreeing with yourself? Which, by extrapolation, means the stated opinion isn’t really your opinion at all.
It must be nice to be so confused…..
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I am open enough to know when I'm being unfair
the definition of fair and right are two different things. Me stating the fact after history has been written is unfair but so be it.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
"It must be nice to be so confused…."
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Dec 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As a matchup, perhaps. But Hatton was the reigning world champion at 140 and the #1 fighter in the division who was coming off of a great performance against Paulie Malignaggi, after which most declared, “Hatton is back! This pairing with Floyd Sr. is where it’s at!”
Painting Hatton as a weak opponent is revisionist history and grossly unfair.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Dec 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
he’s nearly as white as Pavlik!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Are you, in fact, Wesley Snipes?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Shhh! I’m holing up in North-West England till this tax shit blows over!
by FCF on Dec 24, 2009 5:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
David Diaz was a patsy
And Solis was someone who had no chance of beating him. Not necessarily a complete schmo, but someone who has no chance of winning. Like having Humberto Soto move up to 140.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Diaz was a title holder.
Solis wasn’t exactly a schlub, either. Just because Manny made him look terrible doesn’t mean he was terrible.
I like the line out of Roy Jones song “Ya’ll must have forgot” which goes something like “You say I ain’t fought nobody, but that’s cos I make them look like nobodies”…. Same with Manny. He makes great fighters look bad. I suppose it’s a talent. :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Diaz was like the 8th ranked lightweight
He wasn’t horrible, but he had no chance of beating Manny, and everyone knew that coming in. Pac was like a 12-1 favorite over Solis and a 6-1 favorite over Diaz. If he fights between now and a Mayweather fight, expect something with similar odds, that’s all. He’s not going to risk losing all that money by taking a tough fight, and neither is Mayweather.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Diaz
Manny’s first fight north of 130, and he fights a title-holder. I think patsy is a bit strong, although Pacquaio was obviously a heavy favourite
Patsy was probably the wrong word
But what I was trying to convey is that they’ll only fight someone with no chance of winning.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think Manny’s last four fights (counting this one) have all gone “off the table.”
The alternative for Pacquiao is probably Yuri Foreman, and the alternative for Floyd is waiting for the Mosley-Berto winner, I guess.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Yeah, I don't expect this one to stay off for long either
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
LET'S HAVE;
Mayweather vs Clottey!!!! Both would be free, both are fantastic, both would be a great challenge for the other.
Clottey not fighting his scheduled fight now, get it going!!
(DISCLAIMER- I actually want to see Mayweather/Pacquiao, this post is a slightly sarcastic response to the news that this fight might be off.)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Clottey is a Top Rank fighter.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Dec 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
and for the record
Rick Reeno says Tim Bradley is willing to step in and fight either one of them:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24286
That kid’s got some pair of grapefruits.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Yes and no
He has to know there’s zero chance either one will take him up on that offer.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If Yuri Foreman weren’t promoted by Top Rank, I’d say Pacquiao-Bradley makes more sense than Pacquiao-Foreman, but since he is, it doesn’t. I mean I know it has no chance of happening and I’m sure he does, too, but I think if one of them said “OK” he’d actually take the fight.
Shit, Mayweather actually might. I think he’d see Bradley as someone he could prey on, and as good as Tim is I think he’d be right.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
and I'll throw this out
I am a huge Manny Pacquiao fan. I am an admirer of Floyd Mayweather’s skill but I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m a FAN of his.
Buuuut, while I understand all the arguments that Mayweather’s trying to railroad Manny, and even agree with most of them, I have to admit my general feeling on this is boiling down to one simple thing. Take the freaking tests and make $30-40 million on the fight. If you’re clean, then take the tests. I understand the reservations. But if you’re clean, then take the tests and shut him up and make the fight happen.
Which is what I’m guessing will happen.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Dec 23, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
apparently Manny doesn’t like needles and Roach has a real problem with his fighter getting blood drawn 48 hours before a fight. I’ve never fought and I’ve never cut weight or bulked up, but I can see why a trainer would not want his fighter having blood taken from his body so close to a fight. Anyone know how much is actually taken for a drug test?
Probably about 5-10cc, which isn’t really much that would affect him. But I’m sure once it’s sorted out that’ll be a stipulation. Nothing the day before or day of the fight.
It was brought up in the other thread too, but that needles thing is bullshit. He has tattoos.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by SC on Dec 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Really, Manny doesn't like needles?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Dec 23, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I said this over at Bloody Elbow a few days ago.
I have a hugely irrational fear of needles. Getting shots or getting blood drawn freaks me right the fuck out. When I do need blood drawn, I tense up so much that the needle will get stuck because I’m flexing too much out of instinct. When I release the tension, I spray blood all over the nurse/doctor. It’s a problem.
However, when I got my tattoo, it was a totally different experience. The needle doesn’t look like a syringe, which is a big mental road block. The environment isn’t cold and emotionally sterile like a medical clinic. The physical pain is not even comparable. You have more friendly banter and conversation during, rather than a nurse coming in to do a job then leaving. The experience is totally different.
I’d rather fight a knife wielding PCP addict than get blood drawn by a doctor. I fear needles significantly more than car accidents, shark/dog/animal attacks, mugging, and fear itself (Eff you, FDR). It’s totally irrational, but I can’t get over it. Getting a tattoo is a wildly different thing than having blood drawn though. I could be off base, but I side with Manny on this. He could have a legitimate phobia that could affect his training, and I empathize with that.
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by pdl on Dec 27, 2009 3:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe Manny on that one, especially with his tatoo's
Chris (Holmdel, NJ)
Dan, as a Physician, I can assure you that 5 or 10 cc of blood will have absolutely no effect on physical performance even if performed on the day of the fight.
Travis (Kent, OH)
Dan this is not a fluid situation as stated above. They take less than 1 tablespoon of blood. The body normally contains around 380 tablespoons. That one tablespoon is also regenerated in up to an hour. Do your research.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
And Manny says he's superstitious?
Please dude.
This is the largest fight of all time and the most money to be made in all of boxing history.
You can out your superstition aside for a night that matters most. There are performance enhancing drugs that don’t come up in urine tests. The Mayweather camp has all the right in the world to ask Manny to do the same kinda testing Floyd has agreed to!
Manny says he’s uncomfortable with the randomness of these tests, like they can do it at 4 AM if they chose too.
So now he’s superstitious, and also afraid of when they might test him.
Dude, if you’re clean (which I doubt), this wouldn’t even be a problem.
We all know you aren’t scared of needles and we all know that Floyd isn’t the one trying to pussy out of this fight.
Remember who signed the dotted line first.
Face it Manny, you’ll always be accused of taking the performance enhancing drugs until you agree to these terms, after all . . . what the hell do you have to hide if you’re so clean man?
And with the fact of the matter being how Manny has risen up in divisions so fast and with ease, does anyone blame the Mayweather camp to ask for these demands?
I hate how Arum is trying to say Floyd is the one trying to get out the fight. He wants it worse than Manny does.
Just doesn’t wanna fight the man if he’s juicing it up.
It’s not ever fair to say both sides have logical argument.
Floyd has done NOTHING to shame away from this fight.
I don't normally agree on PBF hugging but...
I agree (lol) It sounds so terrible to say that you don’t want to comply with ‘olympic style drugs testing’ whatever that is…there’s nothing to hide if you’re clean.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
"Olympic Style Drugs Testing"
That’s the sort that the USATF used to do, and then sweep the results thereof under the carpet when it suited them to do so. Sorry….wrong forum.
lol ;)
indeed.
Will be interesting to see how seriously this thing plays out…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
It's a big story
I bet it gets play on PTI and Sportscenter. It’s on the front page of SBN. It’s on the front page of ESPN. It’s on the front page of Yahoo.
Like I’ve said before, when it comes to this, almost any publicity is good publicity. If the negotiations go on for a while, I think the story will have legs, just because it gives the talking heads an opportunity to discuss some touchy issues in sports, i.e. right to privacy versus the right to know if someone’s cheating.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 23, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And according to google, it's the biggest sports story right now
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You Are Right
That’s a Big Fight that Everyone want’s to See. If you are Clean Take the Tests, Make the Biggest Payday you ever had and Try To Beat Mayweather.
Why should he jump through Mayweather's hoops?
This is a pride thing for me. No way would I, in Manny Pacquaio’s situation, let Floyd Mayweather decide what the terms were.
Being clean doesn’t mean that he should feel obliged to prove it in a way he finds unacceptable, that no-one else in boxing is subjected to, and that isn’t required by any governing body in professional boxing.
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by Chaos100 on Dec 24, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+100000000
rec’d
like i mentioned below, it’s more a matter of pride for manny than anything else. he’s not gonna let PBF push and harass him with this bs testing.
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by Pinoy Titan on Dec 25, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
It will be by far the biggest payday
Mayweather will ever have too. I agree with Chaos that Mayweather shouldn’t be allowed to dictate terms. This isn’t really about blood testing it’s more about what the testing symbolises. But Mayweather would be silly not to take this fight. Trust me, as a histroian, that his legacy will not look nearly as good as Pacquiao’s in years to come.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
more than the needles and the possiblity blood testing right before the fight...
IMO, it’s a matter of pride for Manny. He feels that the new tests is a ploy by PBF to harass him and he is not gonna take this sh*t.
PBF needs this fight more than Manny. I’d say PBF will bend.
"I finished the game. In my mind, if I finished the game, I can play next week." - Steve McNair RIP
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by Pinoy Titan on Dec 25, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Floyd does not relent on his demand
If a random blood test will detect something a urine test will not, especially a substance that can be detected and is later banned in the future, then it’s the only way everyone can be sure that it is a clean fight. What’s the point of having doubts?
Maybe the Nevada boxing commission could change their rules to require Olympic-style testing for the sake of the fight.
If Nevada started requiring it
People would try to find ways to host their fights elsewhere. Or at least that’s my instinct.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yeah
There’d be a lot of lost business. It’d also take forever to get the rules changed probably.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Most likely but the no state tax thing will still keep them in play
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
No state tax, and no Gale Van Hoy
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 23, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pacquiao... Come on man. Stop playing!
Did you fire the gun you dirt bag?.. No I didn’t sir! Are you willing to take a powder test? What’s that? It’s a test that will determine if you recently fired a gun since powder residue will be left on you hands or body. If you have nothing to hide than this shouldn’t be a problem, should it ?
Wait a minute…. I think I want to talk to a lawyer.
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
first game of chicken goes to the manny team.
mayweathers silly bluff is called, now get the fight done already.
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by sonofapsycho on Dec 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Actions, Rec
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Listen, prick.
If I wanted to rec it, I would have done so.
My comment of “+1” means “I also think exactly this way” rather than “I wish to recommend this post to others.”
Glad to be of service.
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by Chaos100 on Dec 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
lol wtf
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by sonofapsycho on Dec 23, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I Rec your comment
Other’s should know this.
+1
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It would be appreciated if the two of you could start acting like grown ups again
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It would be appreciated if you would realise that everything I've posted in the last two hours has been followed up by something inflammatory by this prick.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Eh
He called Hatton a patsy
You told him to “pull your head out of your ass.”
by Polish Rifle on Dec 23, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Um....
Rich has maybe been far more acerbic/caustic than is usual…but it wouldn’t be without reason. However, he probably didn’t mean to be so inflammatory, I think
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Nah,
J Theory’s been on a crusade for the last twelve hours or so. It’s internet un-tough-guy stuff at its worst, but it’s part of interaction in the forum.
Shouldn’t resort to name calling no matter what. People can tell who’s really being offensive and who’s just reacting to it when you keep your head out of the mud.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
but it’s part of interaction in the forum.
We very rarely have to deal with the usual internet BS on here which is part of what makes this site so great, but it also causes people to respond very negatively when they percieve it appearing.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
That is one of the plus/minuses of having an intellectual fan-base section, like what you see here on BLH.
I am absolutely floored by some of the ring-level analysis you can find here in the comments sections. It makes the whole thing worth sorting through for me, even though I’m really not a boxing fan per se.
This site is above and beyond the others I’ve found. It’s alot like Bloody Elbow, that way..just miles ahead of the competition.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Crusade?
We were talking and blogging on boxing. Never went personal with it with name calling. I know in another post we went back and forth but I respected your opinion. If I came out and just said you were wrong that would be different
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Dec 23, 2009 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and J Theory...
I think, to rec, that you actually have to go and do so rather than just say ‘actions, rec’. Thats how I’ve always seen it done anyway
Chaos may have taken that as you being sarcastic and telling Him to do so, but I don’t think thats what you meant.
If you did, you would have rec’d the comment yourself, and you didn’t.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
most of you are forgetting the ego thing. fighters have not fought the biggest fight available simply b/c one guy felt he was a bigger draw. this is throughout boxing history/lore. Why should Manny bow to extra demands from Mayweather? Pac-man’s passed every single drug test of his career. Mayweather’s just shook b/c he’s been beating blown up versions of other fighters way past their weight and/or guys over the hill…….who was the last legitimate threat Mayweather faced? Chirp chirp…that’s the crickets you hear. Mayweather’s ducked Mosley for years, only fought Oscar way past his sell by date, Hatton at a weight comfortable for PBF…..then who? Seriously….in the past however many years, who that was a legit threat has Mayweather faced?
Pac-man’s gone up in weight and been convincing doing so other than the close fights with Marquez…..but to say Manny’s done anything other than fight the tough guys out there and gone up in weight is absurd. Imagine PBF going up in weight and divisions and facing guys as dangerous as he has.
In the end look at how Pac-Man broke down Cotto and stopped him….and compare that to how PBF DANCED AND RAN AROUND POTSHOTTING MARQUEZ never once looking to stop a fighter he could have easily done so by taking a small chance against a much smaller man. Floyd is a boxer and will always have his hardcore supporters….but when they’re both retired, Pac-Man will have lines infinitely longer for his autograph. Period.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
LMAO!!!
Dude…just stop.
Mayweather’s ducked Mosley
NO SIR. It’s the other way around. Mayweather has been trying to fight Mosley for years and Mosley didn’t want it.
only fought Oscar way past his sell by date,
Good thing Manny fought Oscar in his prime at a comfortable weight for both…oh wait..FAIL
Hatton at a weight comfortable for PBF
You can have that one. Hatton was never comfortable at 147. I’ll concede that point.
Floyd is a boxer
Exactly. You don’t compare pure boxers to KO boxers. They just have a different style. KO’s are flashy and people just like seeing guys get knocked out or beat up. Mayweather prefers to hit and not get hit. Why crucify the man because he believes in defense?
by erod on Dec 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
re: Mosley and Mayweather
Neither of them wanted it at the same time. First Mosley said Mayweather wasn’t a big enough name, but since the Oscar fight, Mayweather’s attitude has been “who’s Mosley?”
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah but when Mayweather wants it, nobody gives a shit. When Mosley wants it, Mayweather is ducking people. It’s bullshit.
If Mosley gets to make Money wait for a fight, then why shouldn’t Mayweather be allowed to do the same thing without being called a coward.
I think it’s because Mosley’s reasons were seen (accurately, in my view) as being better than Mayweather’s reasons. The first time Mosley declined to fight Mayweather it was because Mosley was chasing a prime De La Hoya at the time. You can’t really blame him for that – he only turned down Mayweather so that he could go after another great boxer who also happened to be the biggest superstar of that era. The second time Mosley declined to fight Mayweather, it was because he had just fought and Mayweather wanted to fight him in three months or something. Mosley said at the time that he would fight Floyd, he just wanted a longer break. Again, you can’t really blame him for that – what 36-year-old boxer fights every three months?
Mayweather, in contrast, turned down Mosley to fight Marquez. That was not as good of a reason to avoid the fight.
by taco pal on Dec 23, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mayweather, in contrast, turned down Mosley to fight Marquez. That was not as good of a reason to avoid the fight.
Says it all, really. Ultimately there’s nothing wrong with waiting until your opponent is over the hill to put their notch on your belt, but it is quite telling about how you feel you’d do against them in their prime.
Also, responding to a post above, there’s just no way to paint Manny as having waited until Oscar was waaay past his prime to fight him. When Oscar was in his prime, Manny was a complete unknown commodity and had yet to embark on his historic run. He couldn’t have gotten that fight if he’d gotten down on his knees and begged for it. He was a nobody.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 23, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with erod
you KNOW oscar was past his prime even more so when Manny fought him, and he fought a smaller oscar too to make it even worse
he’s “ducking” Mosley because no one pays to see Mosley fight, I don’t know if he’s ever carried more than 500k ppv buys, alot of people here forget this is a buisness! Would any of you want to fight a hard fight for less money than he could make fighting someone else?
and most importantly as erod said, you can’t compare an actual boxer especially a counter puncher to a KO artist in terms of popularity, of course people watch KO fighters more, thats the only appeal of the entire MMA industry, seeing people get knocked out violently,
Actually, the MMA industry as a whole has outcomes of basically
33%/33%/33% for decision/KO/submission. Chokes and joint lock victories are just as popular, and just as highly rewarded by their organizations, as highlight reel KO’s.
Also there’s the whole ‘mixing every single known combat sport in an attempt to distill the most useful techniques’ angle ;)
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 23, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More crap to hype the fight.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 23, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions
HAHA
and the sports talk shows will have something to discuss during what’s normally a slow time of the year.
Boxing never gets airtime bro… especially when the almighty Brett Favre argues with his head coach! ESPN is all football (or meaningless Yankee trades) 24/7. Our sport gets ZERO respect.
Pacquiao's not on steroids...haha
It’s hype guys.
Here’s an excerpt from EastsideBoxing.com
New York-based athletic physician, Dr. Keith Pyne, a private injury consultant for NFL athletes and those who participate in running and combat sports, told AOL Fanhouse, “I have more than 800 guys who are special athletes who are all drug-tested. And the urine testing is sufficient that you won’t miss anything, especially with performance-enhancing drugs. So, yes, I believe that the urine testing is more than sufficient for boxing. If you’re using steroids, it’s going to come up for sure in urine. There’s no way it’s going to get through the liver and the kidney without being detected.”
And here's Travis Tygart, Executive Director of USADA
Tygart noted Olympic athletes are tested often and without notice. He said less than a teaspoon of blood is removed out of an average of 380 teaspoons in the normal human and that it regenerates within an hour of being withdrawn.
Blood tests, he said, can find things urine tests can’t, like the use of human growth hormone, synthetic hemoglobin or blood transfusions, all of which “certainly would aid in an endurance-type event.”
Except that synthetic homoglobin and blood transfusions aren't illegal in boxing
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sure about that?
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2009_Prohibited_List_ENG_Final_20_Sept_08.pdf
Hemoglobin products are on there. Blood transfusions as well. The Nevada State Athletic Commission follows this list per:
NAC 467.850 Administration or use of alcohol, stimulants, drugs or injections; urinalysis or chemical tests; disciplinary action. (NRS 467.030)
…..
(f) Any drug identified on the most current edition of the Prohibited List published by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which is hereby adopted by reference. The most current edition of the Prohibited List may be obtained, free of charge, at the Internet address www.wada-ama.org.
by erod on Dec 23, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There you go
You’re right, I’m wrong. Maybe I should do a little research before opening my mouth next time.
Good find.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
To be fair, you're not often wrong on this sort of stuff.
I’ve had the odd moment where I thought you were wrong in the past, went and checked, and you’ve been bang on.
No-one is infallible… :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I’m no expert, but HGH doesn’t look like something a boxer would want to take. The other two enhance aerobic capacity – certainly useful for a boxer, but not necessarily consistent with the type of finger-pointing that’s going on.
It is actually hilarious
to see people freak out about muscle and size, when MMA fighters, boxers and other endurance-heavy sports really end up using the oxygen carrying capacity boosters. I guess it’s just not as sexy to think “That guy’s got a 60% hematocrit! FOR SHAME!” People like to see someone like Brock Lesnar or Maruis Pudzianowski and say “ah HA! CHEATER, CHEATER!!”
In the end, anabolic steroids ONLY assist with injury recovery. Their other applications, for a boxer who has to make weight, are almost worse than useless.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Do you really think Arum has the BALLS enough to say this without being
extremely confident that Pacquiao is not taking steroids?
Again, from EastSideBoxing.com
"Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes."
He’s suggesting the process in which the MLB follows…THE MLB. The same league that busted, at that time the greatest hitter in all of baseball, Barry Bonds.
Yes, MLB has done a great job of keeping PEDs from tainting their sport.
The feds caught Barry Bonds, champ, not MLB.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 23, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Barry Bonds got caught for perjury.
His alleged PED use had nothing to do with it, it was merely tertiary to the issue.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I feel you are perhaps
placing too much confidence in Arum’s rationality.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
There is no such thing as a meaningless Yankee trade….
Getting back to boxing, boys, this is normal posturing for a deal of this magnitude. Happens in business all the time. DIfference is, in boxing, it’s public news. And it’s good for boxing to be in the front page, or the first topic on a radio/TV show, rather than last page or not at all.
Per Michael Marley
Arum tried to make an exchange -$$$ penalty if either fighter goes over weight, $$$ penalty if either side flunks a drug test. Floyd said no.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Off topic
UK TV announced Amir-Khan vs. Paulie Malignaggi. We’ll see if it gets confirmed. Twitter is silent.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That should be fun
And it will give Khan some time to enjoy his fame and success till he gets flattened by Maidana/Bradley/Ortiz/some one who can punch.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Floyd may not watch video on opponents...
but he certainly reads their excuses after losses. One of Manny’s excuses, other than gloves, after the loss to Morales was the blood test two days before the fight. I don’t think they took more than the anti-doping agency would be asking for, but Manny is on record as thinking that a blood test shortly before the fight will affect his performance. Really brilliant stuff by Floyd here.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 23, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Pacquiao says yes, Floyd should then demand they both wear Winning gloves. That would be priceless. Not quite carrying a gorilla figurine into another man’s training session, but up there.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 23, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
He’s the bad guy in this fight. He’s in the best position to promote. And for doing stuff like this, he probably deserves the bigger split; he’s certainly working hard enough to get it.
Floyd should even turn down Arum’s counter offer of working with the agencies that test the NFL, NBA or MLB, agencies which regularly register positive tests, unlike the USADA, which totally missed Marion Jones. Those agencies won’t test Pacquiao two days before the fight, only the USADA would do that, and that’s the only thing Pacquiao is on record as being afraid of. Brilliant, brilliant work by Floyd.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 23, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t know what to say to this, except that you seem to have a pretty modest standard for what constitutes “brilliance.” It really doesn’t take a genius to figure out how to get under somebody’s skin or to tarnish somebody’s reputation if that’s really your main goal. The main thing it takes is extreme dickishness, not extreme intelligence or creativity.
This is basically a Karl Rove tactic applied to the sport of boxing. There was nothing all that brilliant about what Rove did in politics. His tactics were original only in the sense that no one had been willing to act so unscrupulously in many years. Once you saw what his game was a few times, it was easy to predict what he would do next.
In the public eye Manny will come off bad for this. People have suspected him with no prof and now they get to use this as a reason. Pac should do it and shut everyone up. If Floyd will do it he should be ok with it.
On the other hand I find it odd that Mayweather would want it done. Like Brick said, if it comes back clean then it proved to be a waste of time and faulse accusations, but if it comes back dirty then say good bye to the fight.
If Manny is on any performance inhancing drugs and gets caught then Floyd can say he was the greatest boxer of the decade, era.
Just get the fight signed and done. Bring on the 24/7 now this one is already interesting.
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
Manny should insist on a greater split
as a condition to these terms. Every time PBF pulls something like this, just smile and say “another 5% and it’s done.”
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Ellerbe would explode
Sounds good to me!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Now that I'm drunk
let me just say that this fight better fucking not be called off because of some blood-fucking-test bullshit, because I’m really, really, really looking forward to it. It won’t be, I know. But, still, it’d better fucking not be, all the same. Fuckers. Thanks.
Ah drunk commenting
a happy yet dangerous thing…
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Bob Arum is now saying
that Manny would agree to drug testing done by one of the independent agencies used by the NFL or NBA. It would be more scheduled and less intrusive and random than the Olympic style. Sounds like a fair compromise to me.
But people, stop worrying. You KNOW this fight gets made. There just has to be a little drama.
Yeah Arum may be odd
but he isn’t stupid enough to walk away from all that money!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 23, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Those folks still only do urine testing though
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Arum says there would be three blood tests if they used the independent agencies that work with the professional sports leagues. One at the press conference, one after the fight and one random one that cannot be done between feb 13th and the last round of the fight, basically.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 23, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Am I only one who is wondering when
Manny would have the time to be taking all these PEDs while being constantly followed around by 24/7 cameras? I mean unless he he takes them while in the john it would pretty hard for it not to get noticed.
For the record I too am rather drunk.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
I've got it
His entire goatee is impregnated with a cocktail of dynamite PEDs – he just has to remember to lick his lips once in a while.
I think I’d better call it a night.
Manny cant win this
First time posting here. Passionate lover of the sweet science here.
Manny Pacquiao must concede and must reach some compromise on this issue or his legacy will forever be tarnished. I am already starting to question why he’s so opposed to the blood testing. He has nothing to hide, right? His excuses are rather silly. He cannot walk away from $40 million dollars over blood testing unless there’s something he’s trying to hide.
by The Autumn Wind on Dec 23, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions
if you read Arum’s statement, Manny isn’t out and out opposed to blood tests. he’ll do three blood tests on a reasonable schedule and infinite urine tests. Roach is refusing that any blood be drawn close to fight night or at random times like 4 in the morning, which the USADA is well within its right to do. The compromise of using the agencies that work with the US professional sports leagues accomplishes the supposed goals, but it doesn’t help Floyd get under Manny’s skin.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 23, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Check out Dan Rafael
he says there is hope yet.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4768830
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
Manny should comply
Floyd will be subjected to the same random tests. I don’t see what the issue is for Manny
by The Autumn Wind on Dec 23, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions
Issue is, he lost a fight last time he had a blood test two days before fight night. He thinks it weakens him. Superstitious, maybe, but what athlete isn’t.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 23, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
So...
I care LESS………… I was NOT pumped for “Packy-Mayrunner” at all……. Styles make fights……… Fraud Mayrunner’s style stinks, as does his fights…………. Fraud Mayrunner is a long range sharp-shooter who rides a bicycle around the ring….. YAWN!! I’ll pass……..
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
The public needs an honest fight.
Many of us gamble. Somethings we win, sometimes we lose. All I ask for is a honest deal. Maybe Mayberry is using this to pump up the fight. Maybe they both are in on this to pump it up. With boxing you never know. I can’t even tell you how to detect a PED but those that can should do everything needed to see to it we get an honest deal.
The testing is for the public, not the fighters. At the end of the day it is the fans who are paying for this.
Mayberry?
I don’t get it. Does he use Blackberries a lots?
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, he likes to whistle
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This may back fire against Pac-man
I was watching ESPN and they said the fight is in jeopardy bc Pacs refusal of Olympic style blood tests. They next said something along the lines of he would not refuse if he had nothing to hide. Since most people do not watch boxing as closely as we do at this site, and we know there are other reasons for his refusal, main stream people may side with Mayweather and question Pac. Mayweather may have scored some points in the public opinion. I for one think it is a little ridicules for the extra tests but that is my opinion.
I figure this is how most are going to spin it
At first glance, it looks a lot worse for Mayweather than for Pacquaio. You need to look at everything a lot more closely to see how it’s also bad for Mayweather.
If post-fight blood testing is on the table and Mayweather is refusing, then he’s just being a dick. Pac thinks that he’ll be weaker if he gets blood drawn before the fight. Having blood drawn an hour after the fight shouldn’t make much of a difference – then you know what’s in his blood while he was in the ring.
Next thing you know, Mayweather’s going to insist on a clause where Pacquiao needs to wear tight socks.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Excuse me
I wrote that completely wrong. I meant to say “At first glance, it looks a lot worse for Pacquiao than for Mayweather.”
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
understood anyway ;)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I'm with Manny
……to a degree.
Why should he have to jump through all these ridiculous hoops. I think a test if you’re clean isn’t a big deal, and losing 5-10cc of blood won’t be much, other than a prick in the arm or wherever before the fight. I think Manny caves eventually and agrees to the testing, and it shuts Floyd up. I love Floyd for his skill, but he has protected his record, whined at every turn for no respect. I get “Playing the villan” I really do, and I WANT to like Floyd. He just doesn’t shut up, ever. Calling this a game of “chicken” is fairly accurate. I think calling it a “pissing contest” initiated by Floyd is a better description. Gotta Love ESPN’s coverage of this though, he’s not refusing to take drug tests, he’s refusing to the new manner in which it’s done, but hey, that’s what journalism is these days. Telling the side of the story you want the public to hear.
Who actually believes that 24/7 has 24 hour access. It is a reality show. I’ve seen them be denied access to sparring sessions.
by tkeithwhite on Dec 24, 2009 3:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Schafer trying to close off options
“Any Golden Boy fighter vs. Pacquiao would have to include Olympic-style drug testing.”
That would also foreclose on the possibility of a third Juan Manuel Marquez fight, if nothing changes.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24307
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This Roach interview is short, but quite revealing;
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5795626,00.html
“We’re willing to go by any commission rules, and any sanctioning body rules.”
Anyone that thinks Manny is ducking here, or is being unreasonable, should listen to that. This is another example of Floyd thinking he is bigger than boxing. No-one else demands this stuff, but Floyd has that much of an ego, that what has been good for everyone else in the sport for years is suddenly not good enough for him.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Mayweather's doing it to be difficult
he knows that Manny refusing will look bad to the mainstream and casual fans but he also knows that his demand is fairly unreasonable. Basically he’s being an asshole. I’d still bet good money that the fight gets made though.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not actually so sure anymore
I agreed with Option27 earlier, but having read more on it, it does seem to me to be more of PBF looking for a way out, quite clearly as its an unreasonable demand that he knows affects Manny mentally and unnecessary.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Dec 24, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Floyd is looking for a way out
If he were looking for a way out he wouldn’t have agreed in the first place and complained about money.
Let me go out on a limb here and say that Floyd actually does think Manny is illegal performance enhancers (reasonable) and therefore he doesn’t want him using them before the fight. He knows the most rigorous testing available is olympic style testing and therefore he wants that.
While being totally honest it is more likely that Manny is using roids then Mayweather (he came up in weight and it would be more useful on the way up) but the odds that their using performance enhancers are probably roughly identical (i.e. I would think neither one is cheating or their both cheating, and to be honest their both elite enough athletes that it wouldn’t be surprising if their both cheating). It strikes me as likely that he just wants to know for certain that Manny is clean.
All of this neglects the possibility that Floyd is using some design drugs (also not particularly far fetched) that isn’t tested for yet, which would mean he would again get an advantage if Pacquaio is using more conventional performance enhancers that can be tested for.
Basically, I don’t think there is any way Floyd is chickening out, trying to use this to his advantage is a definite possibility (even if Manny weren’t superstitious etc.).
Of course here we should remember
that Manny already undergoes rigorous testing for the use of PEDs which is administered by sanctioning bodies and the Nevada State Athletic Commision. It’s not like boxers are never tested and that Mayweather is trying to overturn some deeply rooted corruption. it’s also highly unlikely that the blood tests proposed here would pick actually pick up on drug usage any more than the currently used urine tests.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Typos there
my typing has been terrible recently.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I realize that its unlikely to actually catch anything knew
but maybe Floyd thinks that he has some insight into what kind of PED Manny is doing (certain blood dopants don’t show up in the urine) and he thinks hes doing those and wants to test for them. Also it could be possible that those are the kind of things which cycle out of the blood before a fight but still give some carryover (this one I’m not sure of, but given what I know of cycling I think it at least could be possible???).
That being said if Manny or Floyd is stupid enough to use a PED which can be tested for, they deserves to be caught, because if they use PEDs they should just use some they aren’t testing for (and certainly would be possible to make with their bank accounts).
I think that's very unlkikely but I suppose
it is possible. Bare in mind that when the senior Mayweathers were talking steroids, Floyd wanted nothing to do with it. That doesn’t sound like long standing suspicion to me.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 4:44 AM EST up reply actions
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The bottom line is $$$, its a known fact that the IRS had a 6 million on lil’ Floyds last purse, Now we all heard lil’ Floyd tell us in his words “I keeps me a private jet”, we’ve seen his new LV mansion, we know hes got a big family, and a big posse he be runnin’ wit’. Do ya’ll really, seriously think this 25-40 million $$$ fight is gonna’ blow up over a freakin’ blood test? This story is scripted straight outta Hollywood, its a tabloid story that has the fans of boxing riled up, and the pub is all free, this is a mega fight with a short promotional window. Beware, theres more to come! March 13th Las Vegas, just like that. Peace!!
Blood test 48hrs before the fight has nothing to do with “Olympic testing” for PEDs. In Olympics etc all and any testing at the event itself is done after the contest, not before – and at the moment, they’re just about exclusively urine tests. There is even some evidnce (not accepted by everyone) that taking blood that close to a contest may have a negative effect on performance. WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) guidelines specify that any and all surprise testing prior to the event/contest stops well in advance of the event/contest.
Bottom line – this has nothing to do with PEDs. If that was the issue, there would be demands for after-the-fight urine testing (which would still catch just about anything other than HGH). This is just Mayweather’s BS – he’s scared he can’t beat Pacman on even terms and therefore he thinks he must resort to BS head games like this.
Mayweather has developed, "The Quart of Bood Technique"
This is a bad move on Pacman side. Basically if you have nothing to hide I don’t see what the problem is . The fact of the matter here, is that this testing will be done for " BOTH" fighters.. Again, " BOTH" fighters. Where exactly is the stunt being played by Mayweather? What is the advantage for either fighter? In this day and age with performance enhancement drugs killing these sports it kind of stupid for people to question this move.
There is a lot at stake here for both fighters. It’s funny how if Nazim Richardson didn’t take the time to check Margarito’s’ gloves, this guy would have continued cheating in this sport.
People are acting like Mayweather has developed the " QUART OF BLOOD TECHNIQUE" … Where you say, “Ha” and a quart of blood will drop right out of his body.— a line from Eddie Murphy in the movie— Trading Places…
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
It seems like your post is the equivalent of the old saying “All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing”, which is a saying I agree with whole-heartedly.
However, there are fundamental flaws in looking at this development in the negotiations in that way.
1. It isn’t like the sport is unregulated, and that Mayweather is trying to be a standard bearer for the new levels of sportsmanship he sees as ideal.
2. There are already a lot of people “doing something” to stop drugs cheats, and with all due respect, it isn’t Floyd Mayweather’s job to decide what his opponent can or should be subject to prior to the fight.
3. Whether Floyd wants to do it himself or not is largely irrelevant. I think that if I chopped off my own arms and those of Vitali Klitschko, I could get a draw over 12 rounds of boxing. Doesn’t mean that if I was willing to do so, Vitali should agree too, or risk being called a coward, a cheat, etc…
4. There are a lot of people a whole lot more knowledgeable about the effects and processes associated with PEDs, and if those people are happy with the processes in place (something I can summise as a result of the fact that the measures in place are, for want of a better word, the measures in place….if they were insufficient in the views of experts, by which I mean people who aren’t Floyd Mayweather, then they would surely have been changed by now) I for one trust them a whole lot more than I do Floyd’s BS.
I sincerely hope the fight happens, on March 13th, wherever. But I also hope Manny Pacquiao doesn’t bow here, otherwise it sets a precedent that I for one don’t much like the look of. Soon we could have fights being made or cancelled with fighters completely disregarding the value of commission and sanctioning body regulations, much like fighters do with catchweights while disregarding the traditional weight classes. If anything, this would be a whole lot worse for the sport, and the sport as a whole could be thrown into chaos, with all sorts of accusations and implications being thrown in the faces of fighters, reputations being tarnished without justification…..
Well done, Floyd. Your ego could well open a can of worms that sends the sport into a dark age. Just make the damn fight already. The regulations in place are good enough for everyone else, and have been for a good while. One man’s ego/paranoia should not be allowed to bring the sport into disrepute.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Dec 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Thought and Questions . . .
1. It isn’t like the sport is unregulated, and that Mayweather is trying to be a standard bearer for the new levels of sportsmanship he sees as ideal.
Hasn’t this always been the case when it comes to fight contracts? The fighter or promotion with more power more or less dictates the terms of the fight. Aren’t there usually stipulations in fight contracts that may not be so favorable to the other figher . . . especially in big fights? I’m specifically alluding to issues like the fight venue, state, boxing gloves, padding, weight limit, etc. Who dictates the fight weight? Is that really regulated by the state commission or the promoters? Do all state commissions operate the same way? Why are some boxing gloves allowed for some fights while others are not?
My point is, I don’t see Mayweather Jr.‘s Team as trying to be the standard bearer for new levels of sportsmanship he’s simply trying to set up a fight. I don’t remember the last time in boxing where there were two credible super-star boxers, who more or less has equal say during the negotiation process. From what I understand many boxers simply accept terms that may be more beneficial to the other boxer. Example: well recently, the fight weight Pacquiao vs. Cotto and Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya. What was the per-pound penalty if Cotto didn’t make weight? Is the per-pound penalty a regulated standard or is that dictated by the state commission?
I may be off, but this appears to be just another regular negotiation process . . . magnified due to the immediacy of information thanks to the internet. Never before has so much information been leaked about the fight negotiation . . . not to mention the level of interest in stipulations of the fight contract.
Like many others have stated . . . I just want to check out the fight.
Happy Holidays and A Happy New Year
by VeeisAnimated on Dec 24, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is this a record for number of rec'd comments on a single plage?!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. ;)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Listen up
On a web site unnamed on wed. a live chat was held, the host of the site said that with all parties involved he had been in contact with, they agreed that if a deal could be hammered out by mon-tue, the fight could be saved. Now doesn’t that strike you as kinda odd,..everyone involved said the fight could be “saved” if they agree by early next week. This is PURE hype and promo designed to stir interest in this fight thru the holidays, didn’t cost the promoters a dime and it has sure as hell stirred up the interest. March 13th, Las Vegas, Peace!!
Please Make This Fight
Hey there everybody, my first post on here. First of many. Shout out to Ted the Bull, Merry Christmas good friend and Merry Christmas to everyone. I just wanted to post, Please make this fight happen. All this back and forth stuff is getting tiring. It’s all about ego now but they need to put those aside and they need to come to a conclusion. As a much as a think PBF is playing games with all this and trying to get into Pacquiao head, I think Pacquiao needs to step up and do the right thing. I know Pacquiao and his camp dont want to get jerked around and f’ed with, but please just bite your tongue’s on this one and give in to PBF demands. If you are clean and true to boxing it will show and you will be able to shut PBF up. With the way you are fighting you have the ability to win, that’s is why PBF is asking for these extra testing, he’s concerned. This is the biggest fight in a LONG time and with Pac and PBF being the two biggest stars in the sport right now, both guys need to give in on certain stipulations. Pac you want PBF to be fine $10 mil for every pound over the 147 limit and PBF wants Olympic style testing, man just get it sign sealed and delivered for us PLEASE.
by M. Arriaga aka True-Boxing-Fan on Dec 24, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions
Do the "right" thing?
Are you joking?
The “right thing” would be Floyd adhering to the protocols and regulations laid out by the sanctioning bodies, and the boxing commissions, rather than make up his own rules.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I hear ya, but...
…I’ve tried to listen to my sense of fair play on this, and I’ve come to the conclusion that PBF (or at least his team) is trying to get in a very, very cheap shot on Manny. His (PBF’s) people have had this accusatory attitude for a while now, and this is just a lets-get-any-advantage-we-can extension of that. Why doesn’t Manny submit to this? Ok, when is the last time that this so-called “Olympic Style Drug Testing” can take place: 48 hours before the fight; 24 hours; 1 hour? How’s about this – Mayweather’s team know that Manny is taking a supplement that is legal under state boxing regulations, but is proscribed under Olympic rules? Who knows? Plus, Look at the shit Lance Armstrong has had to put up with from the already-convinced French authorities because his blood is now on file, and available for misinterpretation any time they want. And, yes, I know Lance signed up for blood testing when he became a pro cyclist; but Manny agrees to abide by the rules of the Nevada State Athletic commission when he fights in Las Vegas: it’s called a level playing field. What he didn’t agree to is to be royally jerked around by his biggest rival in the run up to the biggest fight of his/their life. All this talk of “well, why won’t he take the test?” is exactly what PBF and his people wanted to happen: so props to them, they do what they have to do. I’m hoping that Manny keeps his mouth shut and lets the promotional/management people work this charade out. He can do his talking in the ring. I’m drunk again. Merry Xmas.
Shallow analysis!
Had this paper been written by a promoter or an agent, I wouldn’t have any issue. This is written by supposedly a journalist, and he makes the NEWS instead of REPORTING the news.
First, Mr BrickHaus emphasizes on the money aspect, instead of fairness, which is what a scholar is supposed to do (“I find it hard to believe that both fighters are willing to leave a guaranteed $25 million (with kickers of up to $40 million) on the table over something so small”).
Second, Mr displays an appalling shallowness in critical analysis, here is why:
He says it is “something so small”. No Sir! If the allegations were to be true, then it is cheating, stealing your so-called “40 millions kickers”. In addition, a “positive” fighter can cause damages just as Margarito’s Plaster (Watch Cotto face…..if the allegations were true…). From a moral standpoint, it is immoral, unethical, unprofessional, and above all…CRIMINAL in US. We are then left wondering WHAT is going in the author’s mind….
The author proceeds: “it looks bad that Mayweather is demanding something that, as far as I know, has never been something required in a professional boxing match.” This is another case of shallow thinking: Just because something had never been requested before, doesnt mean it should never be requested; especially in the area of Drug Testing, where it is an open secret that athletes are ahead of the authorities… Mr BrikHaus, there had been a first time for the EPO test….There had been a first time for the traffic radar….there had been a first time for the death penalty…….How can you comdemn Margarito for cheating and then defend another "cheating possibility?
When the author started reporting on this, he suggested Mayweather did not have the right to request the test……that argument has since been shot down, and now he is stating that Money SHOULD prevail. YOU ARE WRONG SIR! An agent or a promoter can understandably make such an argument, not a JOURNALIST. You are not supposed to have a horse in the race….
Um no…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
And mine.
But then I find myself disagreeing with what “Supreme Court” writes as a matter of principle now.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Why?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Basically, because...well.... how do I put this..... mainly because it's bollocks?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
I'm not a reporter and never have claimed to be.
Scott would be adament that he’s not a reporter as well. We analyze the news. It’s a blog. If you disagree with the analysis, that’s what the comments are for.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If you don't like SC and Brikhaus
feel free to headd on back to ESB.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
Disagreeing, yes! but about what?
Chaos 100: fair enough; then you have to point out which of the arguments I used is incorrect…..
I don't HAVE to do anything.
There are holes in your logic that my 9-year old niece could drive a tank through. I simply don’t want to get involved in a massive debate right now, and I’m not the only one who seems to disagree.
Happy Christmas.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Immoral
It is immoral to legitimize cheating, stealing…
This debate should not even take place in the first place…
However it clearly demonstrates how human beeings are ready to shatter the moral values they had been taught to fit their own interests…
I agree. I hate cheats,
in boxing no less than in any other walk of life. Shane Mosley is a cheat by his own words; how about that? Then again, for example, is high altitude training wrong, if your potential opponent doesn’t have access to the same facilities? NO – because everyone involved in the contest is playing by the same pre-ordained, pre-agreed rules. How about PBF asks Manny to have a test under the auspices of the international gymnastic federation – is that fair? Because Olympic boxing is about as far removed from their potential fight as the uneven bars are. This whole thing isn’t about cheating, though, IMHO: its about getting one over on your opponent. Legitimate tactics, some might say: Ali did worse, for example. As I’ve said before, though – Merry Christmas!
Most boxing fans are fickle (there is another, stronger word) and I am no exception. If this fight doesn’t happen, I’ll just turn my attention to another one. Come on Edwin Valero!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions
Mark Vester might say it, but I bet he can’t prove it.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 24, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions
Ugh
I hate these ads sometimes. The current MNF one is bogging the heck out of the site.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Paulie Malignaggi?
I would rather Pac Man fight the Jewish god of war, or whatever crazy nicknames commenters have given to Yuri Foreman. Paulie has no chance. The only interesting thing would be if Pacquiao knocked the braids out of his hair, or knocked his pants off. It was Paulie’s trunks that fell down that one fight correct?
I am not happy with the prospect of Malignaggi.
We may only get three more fights out of Manny Pacquiao now, and it feels like atotal waste for one of them to be against Paulie. And I like Paulie.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
Agreed
I’d actually much rather see him take on Foreman, if that’s the other option. Foreman would actually have a chance of winning.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yep cardscott5 it was...
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I don't see the problem here....
Last time I checked there is still boxing in the Olympics (it sucks but its there), so this isn’t like a new precedent set by Floyd here. If this type of testing really took away from performance, they wouldn’t do it at the olympics, there would be too much outrage from countries like Cuba. Of all the issues that could derail this fight, I never in a thousand years thought it was going to be drug testing.
On a related note, if Manny ducks out of this fight, this issue will literally haunt him for the rest of his career. Every press conference, ‘Did you agree to olympic drug testing? Why didn’t you? What are you hiding?’ At this moment, you are making Floyd Sr look like a genius, which is impressive.
I think the problem is...
that PBF Knows that it would affect Manny mentally giving blood at that point, and that he(Pac) feels that it weakens him. That seems to be the only reason for him asking for it.
I don’t know if that point is common knowledge, it kind of seems not from the majority of comments. I hope that his reason for Not taking it is expressed more clearly in the future, so that most people don’t think he’s ‘ducking’ or ‘hiding’ anything.
Merry Christmas!!
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
C'mon Man
Obviously I’m new to posting here, but not new to reading the comments on here.
Everyone ask yourselves this question – this is the biggest fight of the last 20 years and Manny has already agreed to do 3 blood tests (as a compromise mind you not because he’s mandated to), who has the conjones to dope on HGH and EPO within that 30 day window b/w February 13 and March 13. Knowing that you will be blood tested directly after the fight and under the microscope already, do you really think anyone would be that stupid?
This is all a moot point anyway because Manny doesn’t dope. If I am not mistaken, Floyd fought at 116 lbs back in the mid-90’s as well (albeit the amateurs). Does that mean he is doping as well now that he has fought as high as Jr. Middle? If anything Manny was cutting/draining himself when he was fighting at 130 lbs cause he rehydrated back up to about 145 the last 4 years…this is not revisionist history here folks – its plain to see that PBF’s bluff blew up in their face.
Lets hope the NSAC can salvage this and chalk this ASADA-gate up to widespread publicity and hype for the March 13th fight (although controversial and saddening).
Hustler for Death, No Heaven for a Gangster
Agreed
Except that if this fight gets made (which it probably will) this publiciity is going to be damn good for popularity.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
You know what's dumb?
It’s called negotiating. It means both fighters have demands and eventually both fighters either agree to each others demands or don’t.
It’s really lame to hear and read people think that Floyd is trying to dictate everything his way. Manny has his demands too, I’m sure.
It’s just that this one is the story that has legs
Manny needs to man the fuck up.
Anyways, Berto-Mayweather and Bradley-Pacquiao are the fights I want to see right now since Manny doesn’t want to fight Floyd.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Floyd needs to shut the fuck up.
What’s good for EVERYONE else in the sport is good enough for Floyd, too.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
He doesn't want tthe fight
he’s been PR smart with this move, but I don’t think any amount of money is getting him in there to put his 0 under threat.
I don’t know how flybyknight can say ‘man the fuck up’ when its a mental issue of feeling weakened by potentially having blood taken on the day of the fight. Its not about manning up at all for Manny (lol made myself laugh) and I don’t see how thats going to detect anything more.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
If it was Floyd you wouldn't be saying thing.
It sound crazy for Manny fans to say that their guy is afraid of needles and there are pictures of him getting tattoos. It sound crazy to say that he drawing blood inside of 30 days of the fight is a superstition. And it also sounds crazy to say the Floyd Money Mayweather is afraid to make 20-40M. That’s the one that really sounds stupid. Its a shame that this fight won’t happen because I will love to see that little man get whooped.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
by Craigman on Dec 25, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We're not saying that he's afraid of needles
we’re saying that he thinks that having blood taken before a fight causes him to be weak and that this is a psychological factor which would affect his performance. Both the person who rec’d and read that need to stop and consider what has actually been said before acting.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, every doctor will tell Manny that the amount of blood they would take from him wouldn't do shit to his performance
And in Manny’s head, he’s always gonna be like “BUT IT IS!”
And Manny is afraid of needles, he said it.
The funny thing is, a lot of people with tattoos are afraid of needles so I believe him, it’s just that the money he’d be making should help overcome his fear.
And hey, someone should tell Manny that if indeed he truly believes that having his blood taken before a fight weakens him, remind him that the same thing is being done in the other fighters’ locker room
And Manny is afraid of needles, he said it.
I dunno, it could be a language barrier thing. Roach seemed pretty certian that this was just about the blood drawing and not the needle itself.
Good point about the other person’s locker room.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Except, you know, Manny wanted $10 million per pound overweight. What’s good for everyone else in the sport is good enough for Manny, too, right? Sadly, it doesn’t work that way. This is not an ordinary fight. These are not ordinary fighters. Manny either needs to nut up and take the blood test or just admit he never wanted to fight Floyd in the first place. People come in here every day and say Floyd is looking for a way out of this fight. When has Floyd ever backed out? He signed first. He settled for split money when he’s the bigger draw. And he’s willing to pay $10 million per pound he goes over the weight limit. Heaven forbid Manny Pacquiao, the “People’s Champ”, do the right thing and allow a blood test to take place. What does he have to hide?
I hope you have 25 minutes to spare this morning. You’ll need it to watch this interview. Watch it all. And realize the truth. But, also, pay attention to the things that pop up on the screen. Quite a bit of useful information in there.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IH5XZzAqs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boiLd1gM_0g
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGiZtYeMBU
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Craigman and you have it all right
I’ve been trying to tell these Manny fanatics the same things. To say Floyd is trying to find a way out of this fight is some of the funniest shit considering everything he agreed on and so quickly
Do you appreciate the irony of you
calling another person fanatical in their support of a fighter?
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's not irony at all
Why would it be?
I’m not saying I’m not a Floyd fanatic. I am . . . but I also Manny to death up until the recent allegations.
uut Floyd is trying to bring in different testing for this fight....
and I’m really not a Manny fanatic at all. I really wanted and believed Cotto would kick his ass to be honest, which shows how much I know. Again, I don’t know if the suing rumor has any legs, but it would be interesting if indeed e did sue for defamation….
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I don't believe for a second that Mayweather is trying to back out of the fight
He’s trying to build hype and to get under Pacquiao’s skin. As I see it, there’s still a 95% chance this fight happens. All of this is posturing to keep the fight in the news during a slow news cycle. Just my opinion though.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I agree about this being largely
if not completely, a hype job. It seems to be working rather well! However if it is actually a serious issue between the two sides then it’s really very silly and a great shame.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Steroids??HGH????
I’m still sayin this is ALL hype, but consider if you will, Manny has to gain weight to fight at welter and still comes in light. If he’s ‘roidin’ and using HGH, well I don’t see him comin in at anything less than 146.9. Its a promo job, plain and simple. Peace!!
??????!!!!!! So Funny....
What is Iron Beach trying to prove? That beeing weight light is a proof one doesnt take drug; and beeing heavy is a proof one takes drug? Once again the Forum Law is verified, “one out ten posts will display absolute emptiness…”
A promo job carried out by Mayweather Sr; Nate Cambell; Paulie M.; a promo that started before the fight was a possibility….
If people said someone had a body in the trunk of his car, what would a normal, innocent person do? ANSWER: he will open the trunk of his car.
On the other hand, what would a “person of interest” or a suspect do? ANSWER: he will “lawyer up”, that is, invoke his constitutional rights and call up his lawyer.
Since “lawyering up” is more complex, time and money consuming than simply opening one’s trunk, such a behaviour constitutes a significant step ahead for law enforcements, for it allows them to change the status of the person from “person of interest” to “suspect”. The consequence is they will focus their attention and resources on the “suspect”.
In the case of Manny Pacquio, he is now a “suspect”. And I need to mention that there is a “probable cause” to search Manny’s “car trunk”: He has had lately EXTRAordinary performances. in the sport industry, that alone is a warrant for “search”. When Ben Johnson broke the 100m world’s record, as soon as he crossed the finish line, he was welcomed by test tubes, not …microphones…
What is Manny pacquiao hiding in his “car trunk”?
Manny already has his car trunk
searched on a regular basis and the searches are rather rigorous too.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
As I understand it
Manny is fine with a post-fight blood test.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
In 99.99% of cases the pre-fight blood test won’t show anything a post-fight blood test wouldn’t show. Demanding a pre-fight blood test while knowing it will unnerve your opponent is nothing but Floyd being a d**k. Yes, hype like this will probably help sell the fight, but in order for a fight to be sold, there has to be a fight. Garbage like this may well have killed the biggest fight of the decade.
by lhasafi on Dec 26, 2009 5:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are just playing the game of ignorance?
You as guys are still saying Manny is OK with the post-fight test, when it is a common knowledge that HGH has an average half-life of 2-3 days. Which means it can disappear from the body within 1 week. If manny took the drug and stopped 1 week before the fight, it won’t show up post fight.
Do you believe it is a coincidence Manny’s camp does not want a test the last 30 days?
It is not!!!
I knew long time ago something was wrong with Manny Pacquiao…
HGH doesn't have a half life of anything
as it is not a radioactive substance. Just being pedantic here… Yes I know, I should get out more.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I daresay he was
language barriers and all that.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 26, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
“I say to Floyd Mayweather Jnr, don’t be a coward and face me in the ring, mano-a-mano and shut your big, pretty mouth, so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring.”
Manny files lawsuit against Floyd
Pot meet kettle. Coward.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
I fail to see how filing
a defamation lawsuit is a cowardly act.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Guy accuses Floyd of running and being a coward, yet look at what he’s doing. Don’t be a coward and face a guy in a courtroom, face him in the ring.
I say to Manny Pacquiao, don’t be a coward and face Floyd Mayweather in the ring, mano-a-mano and shut your big, goatee infested mouth, so you can show the world how much of a fraud you are in the ring.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
I hate to sound like the thought police
but I’d appreciate it if you (and a few others around here lately) could keep down the incendiary tone. This is a little flamey for my tastes.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I merely rearranged the quote from Pacquiao. I do understand where you’re coming from though.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
"I really don’t care, because Manny doesn’t need Floyd Mayweather," Roach said. "The tests he’s requesting are not commission tests, they’re not boxing tests and this is not an Olympic sport. A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine."
The World Anti-Doping Agency successfully used blood testing at the 2004 Olympics in Athens to test for HGH.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boximpasse122209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Lol. Foot meet mouth.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Mayweather's Unreasonable Demand
The recent news report on Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.‘s drug test result which failed has proven that Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) is effective in its job of protecting boxers from potential cheaters, even if it uses urine tests only. Thus, there is no reason whatsoever for Mayweather camp’s demand to do away with NSAC and seek another body to oversee the drug testing. This test result has proven beyond reasonable doubt that Mayweather camp is only discrediting Pacquiao’s achievements and is only looking for a way out of the fight after witnessing Pacquiao’s demolition of Cotto. Mayweather’s baseless accusations of Pacquiao’s outstanding performances generally put the boxing sport in jeopardy, as anyone now would be able to accuse good boxers of the past such as Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Henry Armstrong, etc. of using performance-enhancing drugs because of their exemplary performance, and because they were not able to submit themselves to Olympic-style dope testing which the Mayweather camp is favoring, probably after observing that Pacquiao lost to Morales in their first fight after giving blood samples several days leading to the fight. If Mayweather’s camp will not be punished for their tirades on Pacquiao and on boxing in general, their actions will be repeated by others and the result will be chaos. If I were Pacquiao though, I would give in to Mayweather’s unreasonable demand just to push thru with the fight which everyone wants to see, in one condition: if Pacquiao will be proven clean, Mayweather has to pay him a significant amount of money, say between $5M to $10M.
If it is a hype job who else are they reaching out for (as far as potential viewers)? Anyone who is interested in this fight already know about it. Both are cross over stars and both get alot of publicity. This only makes Pac look bad to casual passers by. This could push some casual fans away from maybe purchesing the fight, if they believe one person to be on drugs.
People know this is a sport you dont “play”. Cheating in Boxing can ruin lives. I think they would of been better to hype another part of the fight.
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
Mayweather wanted the olimpic style drug testing, Pac said no, then came back with ill do set number of tests plus a post fight blood test. That to me is a compromise. This fight is still on the table if they can atleast meet in the middle
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
Update #3
At least according to Big Dan R, its back on. In a completely shocking development, both sides agreed to compromise with the drug test being random, but only 3 of them, and the governing body being the Nevada State Athletic Commission. We all knew this was going to happen, just sad to see so much drama. Really when the majority of drama in a Mayweather fight comes from not a Mayweather, we all know that we are going to be in for a roller coaster of a negotiation process.
Damn good news
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 27, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Some Interesting Facts
Mayweathers first 29 fights from 1996 – 2001 were at 129 – 133 lbs. November 2001 Mayweather weighs 129 v Jesus Chavez. 2 and a half years later Floyd is a rock hard 140 v Corley and 3 years later Floyd weighs a rock hard 150 v De La Hoya. That is a gain of 21 pounds in 5 and a half years . Pacquiao makes 125 in Dec 2004 against 3 k Battery. 5 years later against Cotto he weighs 144. A gain of 19 pounds in 5 years .Basically no difference in Pac and Moneys weight gain. Thank Christ Goaty is here to add some good old fashioned common sense to the debate. Duran at 37 sent a huge middleweight in Barkley crashing to the canvas. Hearns started at 144 and beat Virgil Hill . A gain of 30 pounds . Hank Armstrong a 126 pounder was robbed against the middleweight champion . A gain of 34 pounds. I’ve been a bit stunned at the willingness of Floyds fans and even the boxing press to run with Floyds line without doing the research .
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