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Schaefer says they're still open to negotiate | LA Times

Despite the Bobfather saying the fight is off, Golden Boy chief Richard Schaefer says he's still open to negotiate, and has suggested arbitrating the blood testing issue.  Arbitration?  Unless they can get someone with real knowledge of the situation and good experience, might as well just agree to a coin flip.  If they want to go this route, may I suggest Steve Smoger, whose day job is being a judge in Atlantic City, as the arbitrator?

Pacquiao suing Golden Boy over steroids allegations | ABS CBN News

From Top Rank's press release:  "Saying that his character and person has been questioned, maligned, damaged and tarnished by baseless and false accusations, pound-for-pound boxing king Manny Pacquiao and promoter Top Rank Inc. announced today the filing of a lawsuit within the next few days against the Mayweathers, Floyd Sr. and Jr., et al, and Golden Boy Promotions."  As a lawyer, I think they'd have a tough time with a slander case.  Richard Schafer (and Arum himself) is a lawyer too, and probably knows this, so don't expect this to deter Golden Boy from continuing with this line of negotiations.  They'll just be a little more careful about how they phrase things.

Jose Sulaiman weighs in on Pacquiao-Mayweather | Dallas Boxing Examiner

Just what we needed. For the record, the head of the WBC says that drug testing should be in the hands of local boxing commissions and the sanctioning bodies.  Big surprise there.  More fun though.  Sulaiman says the WBC is going to try to set up a 4 to 6 man tournament to try to establish a new star, though he doesn't mention which weight class.  The WBC is also going to try to implement a pension for boxers, as well as a drug rehab program for former fighters.

Timothy Bradley laying in waiting | Boxing Scene

Bradley has already said he'd be more than happy to face either Pacquiao or Mayweather if their fight falls through, and now he's backing off in saying that he'd require drug testing, which was just a stupid, stupid, stupid tactical error on the part of Gary Shaw.  Pacquiao pulls out of a fight because of blood testing and you say you'll require the same blood testing?  Do you actually want to get a fight?  Anyway, while I'd love to see either one face Bradley, which would be a great fight in either case, I'm afraid he just doesn't have the drawing power to make it happen.  Devon Alexander has called out Pacquiao as well. 

Mayweather to fight in the UK instead? | The Guardian

The Guardian assesses the possibility that Floyd may come to the UK to fight Matthew Hatton (or someone else) instead of Pacquiao.  Their verdict (much like mine for this entire situation): it's just part of the posturing to get a better negotiating position and to help hype up the inevitable fight.  Steve Kim has suggested (via twitter) that if Floyd does want to fight in the UK, Kell Brook would make more sense.

Victor Conte weighs in on the Pacquiao drug testing | Doghouse Boxing

At least this one's a bit more relevant than Jose Sulaiman.  Conte thinks the blood testing is legitimate and important in order to test for EPO and blood doping, which can't be detected via urinalisys.  He also talks about the way that the substances can be used most efficiently, and how that effects the cycles as to when someone will test positive and negative.  It's somewhat interesting to see Conte speaking frankly about this kind of thing, which I'm sure was a lot of the advice he was giving clients in his BALCO days.

Malignaggi on the table for Pacquiao | GMA News

If the fight falls through, the two options Bob Arum is currently considering for a March 13 fight are Yuri "the Kosher Krusher" Foreman and Paulie Malignaggi.  Has anyone rehabilitated his image as much as Malignaggi in the last six months?  After his loss to Hatton, he looked like he was done as a main event fighter, but a controversial loss and win over Juan Diaz later, and he's being mentioned for two huge fights (Manny Pacquiao or Amir Khan), and seems to be pretty much guaranteed to get one or the other. 

Oscar de la Hoya on Mayweather-Pacquiao | The Ring

Oscar makes the argument a lot of fans are making: "If you have nothing to hide, then do the test."  Of course, Oscar isn't exactly impartial on this matter.

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Checking out the tweetosphere, pretty much every pundit feels the same way I do, which is that the fight will still go on as scheduled and that this is just some type of hype or another. Still, this is the kind of story that sells newspapers, so people are running with it. I’m guilty of doing the same thing. I know 90% of the stuff listed above is going to be irrelevant at the end of the day, but it generates traffic. I can’t just ignore the news because I know it’s part of a show. But if you read enough of what’s out there, you get the general feeling from the people who have been around boxing for a long time that there’s just no way the fight dies over this issue.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 25, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

ah ok

its not as terminal as it sounded then ;) Well done on getting this up on Christmas Day Brick

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by BrianBrock on Dec 25, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"Malignaggi on the table for Pacquiao"

Surely your mean “Malignaggi on the Canvas for Pacquiao”?

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!

by FrankinDallas on Dec 25, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Oscar De La Hoya seems to very rarely

miss an opportunity to say bad things about Pacquiao. I don’t like to take his blog too seriously anyway as he is nearly always seeking to plug something or get some hype going.

A Pacquiao fight with Malignaggi would be rubbish and a fairly brutal beating. I would rather see the Foreman fight and I don’t really want to see the Foreman fight.

Conte makes interesting points and it’s good to have someone who is something of an expert on PEDs to listen to.

Oh and Go Bradley!

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

I agree on all counts

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by Brickhaus on Dec 25, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

De La Hoya

Gets more obnoxious with time. I understand he has pride, but he just looks petty sniping at Manny all the time. Jealousy is an ugly thing.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 25, 2009 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Manny would just walk through

Pauli’s pitty-pat punches and KO him in under 5 rounds. An awful fight. He should be happy with the chance to fight Khan (who I think he can beat.)

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 25, 2009 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Could you imagine if Paulie, somehow, beat Manny? Lol. That’d make a ton of people shit, wouldn’t it?

Anyways, I’d favor Bradley in a fight against Manny. That’s the truth.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

I think it would be a war

But I’d still favor Manny.

We really need a Super-six style tourney at 140. Lots of good fighters there, but no superstars, so one needs to get made.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 25, 2009 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Huh? No superstars?

Manny?

Hatton?

Khan (somewhat unjustifiably..)?

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by Chaos100 on Dec 25, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Manny is basically at 147 at this point. Hatton has been inactive for a while now, and appears to be in the downside of his career. Khan may be a superstar in the UK, but certainly isn’t in the US.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 25, 2009 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Manny could make 140 with less difficulty than he is making 147

Hatton is a HUGE name in Britain and Khan is pretty big too. As far as the US is concerned I unserstand that Hatton is well known for his fights with Pacquiao and Mayweather, and Pacquiao alone being in the tournament will draw publicity.

Also consider the Super Six, which is arguably the premier boxing tournament to date, which of those six fighters had name recognition outside of hardcore fans before it started. I’m certian that not one of them was or even is better known than Hatton.

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just for the record

I am behind Floyd on this one (may have never said that before), Pac should agree to Olympic style testing. In 2009 I believe nearly every pro and most NCAA DI athlete is doping to varying illegal extents. Pac can put most allegations to bed by agreeing to legit blood testing.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Dec 25, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Pac can put most allegations to bed by agreeing to legit blood testing.

But he won’t. Why? He’s scared.

Manny lost this fight the second he didn’t agree to the testing. Manny is the joke here, not Floyd.

Manny has looked for excuse after excuse out of this fight, and now he’s found one with the whole court thing. What a puss.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think either is a ‘puss’ regardless of whether they end up fighting or never fight again.

If I was forced to lay money on a straight bet: have either of these fighters (Manny and Floyd) ever knowingly illegally doped? – I would bet ‘yes’ on both of them. I have no evidence, it’s just my opinion and experience. It is interesting to me that Floyd is the one pushing for it, maybe he thinks Pac’s got the better juice.

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by lcollins1 on Dec 25, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm just naive....

in thinking neither is on anything, but my experience is very minimal. I’m not sure what difference that makes if he’s tested for blood on the day/befre the fight and in the locker room after?!
I think Floyd is pushing it simply because he knows Manny won’t agree to it and it’ll make him look bad.

Oh, and Merry Christmas, you have a lot more of the day left on that side of the pond )

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by BrianBrock on Dec 25, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The joke is that Mayweather actually wanting to go to England to fight someone… that is being a puss.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

How is that a joke? Floyd has said, from the beginning, that he’s always loved England and the reception they gave him when he went over there. He’s long said that he’s wanted to fight there once and would be open to a world tour sort of thing. I fail to see how that’s being a puss, though. It’s called smart business. Travel the world, fight all over, and finish your career with a world tour. Rock bands do it all the time. Don’t see them being called pusses for it.

Floyd-Khan could happen. Or, even Floyd-Brook.

Outside of Floyd-Manny, I want to see Floyd-Berto the most followed by Manny-Bradley.

Berto is the next start at 147 while Bradley is going to be a multi-division champion. Only fights, outside of the big one, that matter.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The joke is that the person he wants to fight

in Britain is Matthew Hatton. That would be a poor effort even considering Mayweather’s questionable record.

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously… Matthew Hatton…. the fact that you are even defending the thought of it is beyound laughable…

If you can’t see the pussiness of it there is no hope for you…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How is facing Matthew Hatton in England any worse than Manny Pacquiao facing Oscar De La Hoya when he’s clearly over the hill? It’s not. Same situation.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So now Mattew Hatton = Oscar De La Hoya…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said they were equal as fighters. I said it was the same situation. Huge difference.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap with sugar on top is still crap and that is what you are defending.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Take your own advice then. Manny-Oscar was crap, as well. Don’t kid yourself.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes… Oscar fighting Manny after a year from getting a SD loss is the same as fighting the glorified and world reknowned Matthew Hatton. The guy is scary good… Zab Judah is scared of fighting him. I got to give Mayweather props for being man enough to fight the other Hatton in retrospect. You really got us there… Thanks for showing all us how stupid we really are for laughing at the notion of Mayweather fighting Matthew Hatton.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Manny fought Oscar 18 months after the SD, at a weight Oscar hadn’t made since 2001. Yeah. That’s a major accomplishment.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah… it is… you are right.

How could we ever doubt your infinite boxing knowledge.

We are mere simpletons compared to you given that we can’t conceptualize the difference between fighting a club fighter and Oscar De La Hoya…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering you’ve already shown that you’re close-minded about this debate, I simply have nothing more to say to you.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You shown me that facing Matthew Hatton in England is not any worse than Manny Pacquiao facing Oscar De La Hoya.

That is an excellent point that I never seriously thought about until this very min.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 25, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if De La Hoya

weight drained and past it is only as good an opponent as Matthew Hatton that still doesn’t make Mayweather’s fighting him acceptable. When Manny took the fight with Oscar he was a big underdog and it was seen as him facing some serious adversity. Matthew Hatton on the other hand won’t be expected to land one punch.

Obviously Pacquiao’s win over De La Hoya doesn’t mean much but it was meant to be a considerable challenge for Pacquiao as opposed to what Mayweather is proposing, which is beating up a C level fighter.

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 26, 2009 6:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Oscar de la Hoya could fight backwards drained to 140 pounds and beat Matthew Hatton. Matthew just drew with a rusty and somewhat out of shape Lovemore N’dou for God’s sake.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 26, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous

Oscar was a 3-1 favorite. Floyd would be a 25-1 favorite over Matthew Hatton.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 25, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And that 3-1 line just goes to show you how moronic people are. Vegas was smart as hell. I guarantee a ton of people took that 3-1 line simply due to the size element. The casual betting public forgot to realize how trashy Oscar was by the time he took the ring that night. His career was already over yet they somehow convinced the public that it wasn’t.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He was two fights removed from a split decision against the #1 fighter on the planet

three fights removed from destroying a two-weight champion, and one fight removed from shutting out another smaller fighter. He looked like crap that night. A lot of it probably was because of the weight element. But there wasn’t necessarily anything to indicate that Oscar was toast, or that he wouldn’t be able to beat someone who had only fought once above a weight 17 pounds down from where they fought.

3-1 was probably a bad line, but saying it was a joke fight is revisionist nonsense.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 25, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe tat he has a problem with blood testing

The issue is the fact that blood can randomly be taken up to the day before/the day of the fight, and mentally he feels that weakens him and his is not just something that came up now.

The rules for testing in boxing are there, he’s obviously complying with those and he’s willing to give blood in is locker room after he fight. So why potentially before if not just to unsetle him? Its a cheap stunt and so many otherwise intelligent posters have fallen for it.. IMHO, he’s perfectly entitled not to go under Mayweather’s rules and if the news that he’s suing for defamation is correct, good on him….

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by BrianBrock on Dec 25, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I still maintain that

this is not so much about the blood test itself but about what this issue symbolises. It’s essentialy negotiting games and chicken on a fairly silly scale. I beleive that this has absolutely nothing to do with either fighter being scared. I’ll bet 100 BLH Dollars that this fight gets made.

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I hope you’re right, but I have 100 BLH dollars that says it doesn’t…

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Dec 26, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

ok you're on :)

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 26, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Pinoy Titan on Dec 25, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/25/1219384/manny-taking-floyd-to-court

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by Chaos100 on Dec 25, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Golden Boy chief Richard Schaefer says he’s still open to negotiate, and has suggested arbitrating the blood testing issue.

When Mosley was asked to do blood tests before a proposed fight with Judah, Golden boy had this to say:

“Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires,” Schaefer said. “The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one.”

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 25, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

ODLH as consistent as Schaefer

Remember the first time Oscar came out after the Pac beatdown and he said he wasn’t really hurt by Pac’s fluffy punches (words to that effect)? Now he’s out saying that he now wonders why Pac hit as hard as roid-users Mosley and Vargas. I like Manny to adhere to this USADA proposal, to quiet all doubts. But I hate how leeches like ODLH and Schaefer keep pounding on Pac. At the end of the day, it is also about the money a lot of folks could generate off both fighters’ back. Peace out.

by arch on Dec 25, 2009 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Comparing Pacquiao to Mosley

in terms of power as evidence of Pacquiao’s supposed PED usage is nonsensical in itself seeing as Mosley was on drugs to boost endurance, not strength.

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A bit of HGH and Manny's Definitive Statement

Some info on HGH (from online medical sources): HGH taken alone is actually ineffective in enhancing performance. What the studies show is that HGH can only be effective when it is taken in conjunction with anabolic steroids (i.e. steriods can be detected by urine testing). This means that in order to get the maximum effect an athlete must take both at the same time. The trouble with this fact is that as mentioned earlier anabolic steroids can easily be detected, and with a simple urine test you can already get caught. The information campaign could also lay some emphasis on the possible risks and side effects that can result from too much intake of HGH. Some of these are acromelagy, which in layman’s terms is gigantism, increased risk of diabetes, swelling of joints, edema, being more prone to different types of cancer and many others. If this can be done then it would probably dissuade athletes from even thinking about taking HGH.

Bottom line: We have boxing writers right now that are trying to say a “one way street” on HGH, however, if you look at the medical facts . . its not “conclusive” and likely much is to be learned and studied about these drugs. However, No amount of drugs will (1) improve your skills and strategy in the ring e.g. if this drug made everybody smarter or gave them a new fountain of skills, everybody will be using it!; (2) the idea of bulking up, c’mon – PacMan is known and recognize for his “speed”, not his bulk body or armor muscles. If you ask me, bulking up, would actually sacrifice your speed . . so isn’t this an anti-thesis of the Pacquiao fast machine; (3) in this high stakes negotiation where each side attempts to get the better deal i.e. Mayweather’s request was answered “half-way” by Pacquiao – 3 blood tests (after fight announcement, before 30 days and just after the fight), these blood tests are not required for professional/competitive boxing in Nevada (Las Vegas), but Pacquiao offered this. The test just after the fight, should provide conclusive and reliable evidence that meet Olympic standards if Pac took anything! (these drugs stay in the body at least a week, depending of quantity taken); (4) Let’s take a look at the messenger of this “unsubstantiated allegations” – Mayweathers camp – goodness! these guys are not the bastion of honesty and purity, heck, they could produce a reality series with their numerous court cases, run-ins with the law, tax problems, what have you.

We don’t know whether this fight will push through or not . . however, the ascent of Manny to the top of the boxing world was duly documented in 24/7/media outlets/stories that show: (a) Manny took long hours in the gym, working on a strategy, improving his right hand to be as good as the left hand i.e. if this guy was really on super-performance drugs – why waste too many hours in the gym when you have super strength? why improve your right hand, when with the aid of this wonder drug, all you need is an ultra-power left?; (b) Manny has not shown the behavior of a guy in super-drugs who is all “about me . . me . . i can do this easily”. Instead, if you ask Manny – he will just say – “I will try my best to do well, hopefully to win for the Filipino people” or “give God glory”. I have not heard any of those humble words from all the drug convicted top athletes; and © Finally, no amount of “Mayweather or his minions propaganda” nor articles from writers that quick to judge on unwarranted accusations – - Society and the fans (casual/hard-core) will collectively in its wisdom make their own decisions – and vote empathically with their wallets (e.g. PPV/gate attendance). That will be the definitive statement!.

by hanson7 on Dec 25, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

read the last paragraph, can't handle that wall of text on Christmas

Regardless of ‘juicing’ you can’t bring a donkey to the horse race – both these guys are great with or without some kind of juice, just like Bonds and Clemens.

Boxing’s drug testing is frankly shit compared to other pro sports. Scratch that, boxing’s internal oversight in general is shit to other pro sports. NCAA does random testing in and out of season and the only thing on the table for the athlete is a scholarship, if that.

I’d like to see USADA level testing through out boxing, and there’s no way I’m going to lampoon a fighter for requiring a greater level of propriety ensurance when it’s his brain on the line. Good for Floyd.

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by lcollins1 on Dec 25, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Amateur drug testing

in sport is more stringent than that applied by professional bodies in nearly every discipline. I say this as an amateur athlete who has been drug tested. (it ain’t a barrel of laughs!)

Still I find it hard to see Mayweather as trying to uphold some great new anti-doping standard here. Mainly because he hasn’t said that’s why he wants the tests.

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for this
Regardless of ‘juicing’ you can’t bring a donkey to the horse race

Nice rebuttal this stuff:

Manny took long hours in the gym, working on a strategy, improving his right hand to be as good as the left hand i.e. if this guy was really on super-performance drugs – why waste too many hours in the gym when you have super strength? why improve your right hand, when with the aid of this wonder drug, all you need is an ultra-power left?; (b) Manny has not shown the behavior of a guy in super-drugs who is all "about me . . me . . i can do this easily". Instead, if you ask Manny – he will just say – "I will try my best to do well, hopefully to win for the Filipino people" or "give God glory". I have not heard any of those humble words from all the drug convicted top athletes; and © Finally, no amount of "Mayweather or his minions propaganda" nor articles from writers that quick to judge on unwarranted accusations – – Society and the fans (casual/hard-core) will collectively in its wisdom make their own decisions – and vote empathically with their wallets (e.g. PPV/gate attendance). That will be the definitive statement!.

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by Warden11 on Dec 26, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Public Opinion has not been swayed

Looking at the various polls – manny is still very much supported e.g. between 60% – 80%. The Public and the casual/hardcore fans are an intelligent bunch . . and their collective wisdom will not be swayed with baseless insinuations coming from camps that have more than a fair share of questionable/bad actions. Its good to see some writers also stand up for Manny . . they have covered Manny through the years 6 or more years here in the US . . from a guy with hardly any defense . . to have a superior in and out movement . . to developing a superlative right hand (i.e. if manny was into this special juice, why work and train so hard . . why go through the rigors of developing a right hand, when you have the pop to KO Mike Tyson). Kudos to the fans and writers who demand substantiated proof (i.e. not just an allegation . . and also given that Manny has agreed to meet half-way fraud Mayweather for 3 blood tests, beyond the Nevada/legal requirement) before making an accusation.

by hanson7 on Dec 25, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

I give a Rats.......

I could give a Rats tail about “Packy-Mayrunner.” This match-up is not even good on paper.. Fraud Mayrunner is comfortable between 148 to 154 pounds and Manolo Pacquiao is best between 138 to 144 pounds…. I care LESS who’s using “Roids” or not…. This match is just being hyped up way too much…. If it does actually goes as scheduled / planned for 2010, it’ll be a tactical stinker……. Cheerio…….

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by MRBILL40 on Dec 25, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

How about Manny suing Mayweather and co

while negotiating with the other big name fighter who called him out for steroids?

by cardscott5 on Dec 25, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

I reckon that's just

a ploy and a negotiating weapon. At least I hope it is otherwise my previously unshakeable confidence that this fight does get made may slip away worryingly quickly!

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 25, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, I think Mayweather’s position on this has been a huge stunt just to ruffle the feathers of Pacquiao. And its working! He’s pissed! As well he should be. When people baselessly call your character into question, its gonna make you angry!

Manny shouldn’t have to acquiese to Mayweather’s demands. There should be a cutoff date. Keep testing random before that, and test them in their locker rooms afterwards. That should catch anything needed…and seems to be all Manny is asking in all this.

If that’s really the only sticking point, I’m pretty sure the fight will still happen. Too much money in this to walk away.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 25, 2009 6:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

A cutoff date for random testing? That makes it scheduled.

I do love how Freddie Roach contradicted himself, though.

"Who is this guy to tell us that we have to have blood tests, or urine tests, or any tests? He’s just looking for a way out of the fight."
Two weeks ago, Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, told ESPN.com that their side had no problem with Olympic style testing.

“I have no problem with the testing whatsoever,” Roach said then. “They can do whatever kind of drug testing they want. They’re scared of Manny and scared of his power. He’ll pass any test in the world.” Yikes.

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by FlyByKnight on Dec 25, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not interested in any of the crap, hype, ot ninsense until 24/7 starts. Then, and olny then, will they get my attention.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 25, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

The Word of the Day kids is LAME

and there is alot of it to go around!
Floyd and his crew is LAME for acting like the Boxing Commission of the Universe
Manny is LAME for not taking a blood test to clear his name
Bob Arum is lame for bringing up Paulie M as a viable alternative
Paulie M is lame for saying now that he is ready to fight Pacman after his allegations
All of this is lame because the fans are robbed of our megafight
…and the Lameness award of the year goes to ODLH for saying that Pacman had to be on roids because his punches felt like Vargas and Mosley – his liver must still be affecting his judgement due to that body shot that Bhop hit him with because he can’t be serious (just like he wasn’t serious when he said he couldn’t get up)

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by focalmatic on Dec 25, 2009 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

Especially seeing as Mosley

wasn’t on steroids but endurance boosting drugs.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 26, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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